What is creative Fe and how is it manifested?
Creative Fe
What is creative Fe and how is it manifested?
Creative Fe means that the input you get from your judgement of others emotional state towards you - or of their perception of your social role - steers your perceiving base function.
In ISFps,
-- > the Fe emotional state that affects you the most is Si-related, so immediate, short-term; so if your creative Fe judges them to be emotionally hostile (as in a bad mood), this affects your Si perceptions, you have unplesant sensations.
In INFps,
Originally Posted by implied
I think this is where my understanding is a little different; maybe we can clear this up. I thought, perhaps simplistically, that the creative function is what you produce; it's a person's usual output, whereas the accepting function is the input.
So fundamentally, I thought creative Fe means that given a person's perceptions (the input...Ni or Si), that person's process of making sense of this input is what's steered by the judgment of others' emotional state, perception of a social role, or an attempt to influence these. However (I thought) the accepting function would determine the basic input.
Naturally, if the judging of what to do with the input is Fe-based, that may influence the nature of the accepting function itself. But (I would think) only as a secondary effect, and not necessarily. (In fact, in the case of Ni at least, it would seem that the base perceptions may reflect some traces of Te or Ti even if Fe is the creative function.)
If however, the primary direction is the opposite way...that is, judgment of others' emotional state towards one and perception of social role is steering the perceiving function, wouldn't that be the same as accepting-Fe? That is, wouldn't that be exactly what accepting-Fe people do? Or how would that be any different?
(I understand that Smilex and some others believe that the directionality flips depending on where one is in the "process/result" Reinin dichotomy. I do not accept that view at this time.)
That would actually make a lot of sense. Where did you find this information?Creative Fe means that the input you get from your judgement of others emotional state towards you - or of their perception of your social role - steers your perceiving base function.
In ISFps,
In INFps,
Perhaps we are talking the same thing. As should be clear from my "river on the boat" metaphor, the base (or accepting) function is the individual's most basic view of reality (so basic that people take it for granted as just being "what everyone does"). The creative function affects the, if you will, variations, nuances of the reality as seen through the base function.
But Fe is about "judging" someone's emotional state, not "perceiving" it. What Fe IPs "perceive" is Ni or Si. But those are introverted functions. Their contact with the outside word, by definition, is the extroverted function in their ego, Fe.
If not significant, then there would be no difference between INFps and INTps. But there is, and the main difference is precisely whether their Ni "flow perception" is mostly affected by Fe or Te.
Both accepting Fe and creative Fe is about judging other people's external emotional state, so both are externally-focused.
For Fe EJs, Fe is both the main window into reality and the main focus of their actions -- that's why they are EJs and not IPs.
Their creative functions Ni or Si provide, again, the steering -- what is the important emotional state? The short-term one (Si) or the longer-term one (Ni)?
If it makes it easier, think of the temperaments - EJ or IP - rather than of the functions.
I did not need to find it anywhere, not in this precise form. This is just making sense of the information available. I have written on that before.
*edit* I agree, Rick, that was simplified too much.
I disagree with the first statement. Base
"I absolutely love listening to this music. Listen to it, I mean, it's incredible! Don't you like it? It's the best music. I'm so passionate about it..."
(something like that)
If we all collectively learned to give
Yeah, I think pretty close. Certainly, it makes sense that the creative function would influence the accepting one. After all, why gather information that's irrelevant based on the way you know you're going to make decisions on it?
However, I was pointing out a little subtlety regarding how rational and irrational types may tend to view this "filtering" process. I think that to look at how irrational types think, it's necessary to understand that the perceptions of irrational types are less filtered than they would be from a rational perspective.
For example, an INTp may consider ideas that seem less logical than what an ENTj would view even worth thinking about; and the INTp would strive to make logical sense of these, and would reject them only after a much greater amount of time. Similarly, an INFp may consider ideas that seem less socially relevant than what an ENFj would consider. From a rational's point of view, this may seem odd: Why would a T type even entertain an idea that's obviously illogical; or why would an F type waste time with something of no social relevance? But to the irrational type, it appears to be a strength, because the hope is that something that seemed to be worth rejecting on first sight ends up being found valuable on closer examination.
The reason I asked is that I remembered a scene from Fire Emblem where the main character, an ISFp, complained about a sudden chill he felt when entering a castle. He said it meant that someone had it in for him. Turns out he was right: another character who was introduced in that stage turned out to have a long-standing grudge against him. (an INTj, interesting enough)I did not need to find it anywhere, not in this precise form. This is just making sense of the information available. I have written on that before.
Do you think the other producing functions behave similarly with regard to their acceptors?I did not need to find it anywhere, not in this precise form. This is just making sense of the information available. I have written on that before.
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