Dual-type theory: Information Metabolism-Exertion IM-IE types

[tcaudilllg]

These are the people whose IM-IE (information metabolism-exertion) types I've got diagnosed so far. I should mention that some of them have managed to type themselves more accurately than I could.

UDP: INTj-ESTj
labcoat: INTj-ENFp
FDG: ESTp-ENTj
Phaedrus: INTp-INTj
Oyyburger: INTj-ISTp

That's all for now, but how about let's get some more on the list? What's your IM-IE type?

Here are some things to think about:
You know your hidden agenda, but what do you hope to accomplish? What is it that satisfying your hidden agenda allows you to do?

When you take up a role, what aim do you seek to fulfill by it? Why do you believe other people accept the roles they do? What are they seeking to accomplish by doing so?

When you get aggressive with others, what purpose do you think your aggression will serve?

[oyburger]

It'd be more entertaining to have you just take wild guesses without any additional input.

I'm the one who came up with INTj-ISTp.

[machintruc]

These are the people whose IM-IE (information metabolism-exertion) types I've got diagnosed so far. I should mention that some of them have managed to type themselves more accurately than I could.

IE types are actually related to Gulenko's subtype system.

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The D, C, N, and H subtypes are related to Ej, Ep, Ij, and Ip TIEs (Types of Information Exertion).

[stefana]

tcaud,

those whom you cross-typed (the ones in your list) has their "original" non-cross-type socionics type as one of the components in their two-in-one type so making guesses on other people's type here might.. might.. help them find their socionics type. especially those who still could not find their socionics type.

[oyburger]

It'd be more entertaining to have you just take wild guesses without any additional input.

I'm the one who came up with INTj-ISTp.

I was referring to all the questions he wants people to answer. I thought it'd be more fun for him to just guess, instead of us having to answer the questions.

lol oh. I was thinking that I'm glad I don't have to bother with coming up with answers because my cross-type had already been found.

[anndelise]

deleted to distance myself from the tc's meglomania

why is it that psychiatrists are the ones who need a psychiatrist the most?

[tcaudilllg]

These are the people whose IM-IE (information metabolism-exertion) types I've got diagnosed so far. I should mention that some of them have managed to type themselves more accurately than I could.

IE types are actually related to Gulenko's subtype system.

oldforumlinkviewtopic.php?t=10710

The D, C, N, and H subtypes are related to Ej, Ep, Ij, and Ip TIEs (Types of Information Exertion).

Explain. I see no connection between his descriptions of these types and information exertion. In particular, no IE type is more likely to be aggressive than any other. Secondly, one of you is misinformed, either you or Steve. Perhaps if you explained what is actually being said in that document in detail then I would better understand.

Regardless, in leu of conclusive evidence I am working on this theory without regard to subtypes. Are subtypes related to information exertion? Most probably yes because IE types are types in themselves. They simply handle a different domain of information. (exertion as opposed to metabolism) But that doesn't mean subtypes are exertion types, far from it.

[Exodus]

It's funny how you can just say, where A is someone's self-proclaimed typing, and B is another typing most common among other forum members:

A-B = crosstype

Chalk me up as INTj-ENTp.

[FDG]

FDG: ESTp-ENTj

I find that's a bit of a copout honestly given the similarity between the two types and how I used both of them as personal typings.

You know your hidden agenda, but what do you hope to accomplish? What is it that satisfying your hidden agenda allows you to do?

I honestly wouldn't even move a finger if it wasn't for some emotional reaction/praise I'd get out of doing it. So I think we have to invert your question: my hidden agenda seems to be the motivator behind my actions more so than something that allows me a wider range of experiences.

When you take up a role, what aim do you seek to fulfill by it? Why do you believe other people accept the roles they do? What are they seeking to accomplish by doing so?

1)Role as if, in a group of people? I generally get two kind of roles, either I'm the one that gets things done, or the clown/entertainer. Of course depending on this, what I seek to fulfill changes: the first mode sees me as trying to complete a task, the second as trying to cheer people up.
2)Because they like it.
3)Having fun?

When you get aggressive with others, what purpose do you think your aggression will serve?

Make them realize how what they are doing sucks/is a bad strategy/will be detrimental on the long term, and/or having fun when it's done in a playful way. Of course I'm not taking into account self-defense since you spoke about aggression. Sometime I can be a bit imposing in regard to my feelings with a partner, when he/she is being inert/delaying an answer. Something else that mitsuii recently mentioned: a situation in which somebody is behaving in a way such as to cause distress to me and to the people around me tends to propel an emotional response aimed at making the "offender" realize how his ways "sucks".
I sincerely don't believe in "Keeping the peace" when there are problems because my chest start to literally ache out of anxiety and I can't do anything, whlist I obsessively replay the situation in my head.

[krieger]

Some more thoughts on information exertion;

There was a debate on quantum theory and Realism vs. the Copenhagen Interpretation somewhere on this forum. It reminded me a lot of the rational vs. irrational division. The rational believes the result of an experiment is the manifestation of something 'real' (e.g. a closed system: judgment), whereas the irrational rather thinks that any determination on what is real exists only as a consequence to what was observed (to him 'real' signifies the boundaries within which observation is to be considered). Since this issue is about ones view of reality outside of the metabolized belief system it may just be that these two conflicting views depend entirely on the rationality/irrationality of the exertion type.

(one piece in favor of this hypothesis, is that I have always been a fervent and outspoken doubter of the merit of realism in philosophy classes that I have attended)

[anndelise]

edited to remove myself from tc's megalomania

why is it that psychiatrists (and wanna be psychiatrists) the one's who need a psychiatrist the most?

[UDP]

Explain the difference between

INTj - ESTj
and
INTj - ISTj


I am not certain which would fit me better.

[tcaudilllg]

(In brief)
ESTj - likes administrating things. Orderly, directs people to get things done. Exerts structure.

ISTj - like Squall. (remember the sidequest where he had to find stones.) A person who inspects others' rationale.

But I'll be thinking about it.

[KSpin]

I thought Squall was so laid back, that if he went any further, he'd be on his head...

[UDP]

So laid back that he was a top student, weapons specialist, and one of the more disciplined people in the game.


It is very hard for me to choose between those two, but I definitely inspect people's rationales... (XoX's thread, for one example).
Though I find myself pushing for order and completion - structure, and getting things done.

Figuring out how to balance intensity with precision is my current focus. Using to the max, especially in interactions with other people - also what I am working on.

[tcaudilllg]

Some more thoughts on information exertion;

There was a debate on quantum theory and Realism vs. the Copenhagen Interpretation somewhere on this forum. It reminded me a lot of the rational vs. irrational division. The rational believes the result of an experiment is the manifestation of something 'real' (e.g. a closed system: judgment), whereas the irrational rather thinks that any determination on what is real exists only as a consequence to what was observed (to him 'real' signifies the boundaries within which observation is to be considered). Since this issue is about ones view of reality outside of the metabolized belief system it may just be that these two conflicting views depend entirely on the rationality/irrationality of the exertion type.

(one piece in favor of this hypothesis, is that I have always been a fervent and outspoken doubter of the merit of realism in philosophy classes that I have attended)

That's a good hypothesis. It would seem to make sense. We need a test to measure this stuff.

[tcaudilllg]

edited to remove myself from tc's megalomania

why is it that psychiatrists (and wanna be psychiatrists) the one's who need a psychiatrist the most?

Shameless.

I'd like some VI though: I think I know what your type may be, but I'd like some VI as proof of it. (I know what to look for)

[Phaedrus]

What is the difference in behaviours and attitudes between an INTp-INTj and an INTp-INFp?

[Ms. Kensington]

You know your hidden agenda, but what do you hope to accomplish? What is it that satisfying your hidden agenda allows you to do?

When you take up a role, what aim do you seek to fulfill by it? Why do you believe other people accept the roles they do? What are they seeking to accomplish by doing so?

When you get aggressive with others, what purpose do you think your aggression will serve?

I seek Si because I feel that it will allow others to be rational.

I usually take a passive, mediating role or I take an active role when noone will do things that I feel need to be done (like delegating work). I think other people accept the roles they do because they think it's in their best interest in a state of power.

I get aggressive when I think people are being irrational. I think being aggressive (this takes the form of interjecting arguments in a firm tone) will remove the emotional hurdle and contribute to intellectual progress/volitional progress.. or something!

[tcaudilllg]

deleted to distance myself from the tc's meglomania

why is it that psychiatrists are the ones who need a psychiatrist the most?

I want to know about ENFp-ISTj!

If I should die, think only this of me:
That there's some corner of a foreign field
That is for ever England. There shall be
In that rich earth a richer dust concealed;
A dust whom England bore, shaped, made aware,
Gave, once, her flowers to love, her ways to roam,
A body of England's, breathing English air,
Washed by the rivers, blest by suns of home.

And think, this heart, all evil shed away,
A pulse in the eternal mind, no less
Gives somewhere back the thoughts by England given;
Her sights and sounds; dreams happy as her day;
And laughter, learnt of friends; and gentleness,
In hearts at peace, under an English heaven.
-- Rupert Brooke, The Soldier

This poem, an entire cycle of the urobolos that is Model-A. From base to determination, from ego to id. A snapshot of the ENFp-ISTj mind.

[anndelise]

you got your second supposed quote wrong, please correct it

as for the enfp-istj "description": poetry means nothing to me

[tcaudilllg]

you got your second supposed quote wrong, please correct it

as for the enfp-istj "description": poetry means nothing to me

Could that be because you're not ENFp-ISTj? Where is this ISTj world in which you supposedly live? (to invoke labcoat's observations on exertion theory)

[tcaudilllg]

If I should die,

think only this of me:

That there's some corner of a foreign field
That is for ever England.

There shall be
In that rich earth a richer dust concealed;

A dust whom England bore, shaped, made aware,

Gave, once, her flowers to love, her ways to roam,

A body of England's, breathing English air,

Washed by the rivers, blest by suns of home.

And think, this heart, all evil shed away,

A pulse in the eternal mind, no less

Gives somewhere back the thoughts by England given;

Her sights and sounds; dreams happy as her day;

And laughter, learnt of friends;

and gentleness, In hearts at peace,

under an English heaven.

-- Rupert Brooke, The Soldier

[stefana]

tcaud,

why don't you analyse several people's posts that way and see if you can come up with their type successfully? go for the acid test man.

[anndelise]

tcaud,

why don't you analyse several people's posts that way and see if you can come up with their type successfully? go for the acid test man.

please don't encourage him in this particular matter
he's not out to test his thoughts....but to try pushing them onto others

[stefana]

please don't encourage him in this particular matter
he's not out to test his thoughts....but to try pushing them onto others

that was why i asked him if he could analyse some people's writing on here. if he's so disinclined to test his thoughts, that suggests to me that he himself has no confidence in this cross/dual-type theory.

[FDG]

Every time I read the thread title I think about IS-LM curves. Am I the only one?

[Creepy-bg]

I don't even know what an IS-LM curve is... ???

[FDG]

I don't even know what an IS-LM curve is... ???

some economics crap, nothing important really

[anndelise]

please don't encourage him in this particular matter
he's not out to test his thoughts....but to try pushing them onto others

that was why i asked him if he could analyse some people's writing on here. if he's so disinclined to test his thoughts, that suggests to me that he himself has no confidence in this cross/dual-type theory.

i agree with your idea
i just don't think that is how he'd approach it
he may analyze people's writings,
but he'd refuse to acknowledge feedback that his analysis is off or wrong
instead insisting that he is right

[Creepy-bg]

first rule of holes: when your in one, stop digging!

[anndelise]

first rule of holes: when your in one, stop digging!

but if you stop digging, you may never reach the gold

[Creepy-bg]

first rule of holes: when your in one, stop digging!

but if you stop digging, you may never reach the gold

the only thing at the bottom of this hole is bullshit :wink:

[anndelise]

first rule of holes: when your in one, stop digging!

but if you stop digging, you may never reach the gold

the only thing at the bottom of this hole is bullshit :wink:

you, I, and Diana may know that...
but does tc?
I think he thinks he's gonna find gold
hence why he won't stop digging

*puts on a raincoat for when the shit starts flying*

[ScarlettLux]

YO TDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

what's my exertion type. i'm curious.

[ScarlettLux]

YO TDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

what's my exertion type. i'm curious.

[UDP]

(In brief)
ESTj - likes administrating things. Orderly, directs people to get things done. Exerts structure.

ISTj - like Squall. (remember the sidequest where he had to find stones.) A person who inspects others' rationale.

But I'll be thinking about it.

What type of INTj- would be most emotionally neutral, in a way?

[UDP]

(In brief)
ESTj - likes administrating things. Orderly, directs people to get things done. Exerts structure.

ISTj - like Squall. (remember the sidequest where he had to find stones.) A person who inspects others' rationale.

But I'll be thinking about it.

What type of INTj- would be most emotionally neutral, in a way?

[Gilly]

You know your hidden agenda, but what do you hope to accomplish? What is it that satisfying your hidden agenda allows you to do?

I need my mood to be raised. When I'm alone, I'm either depressed, or just not paying any attention to my mood at all. When I'm depressed, I'm not capable of ANYTHING; when my mood is good, I feel like I can do absolutely anything.

When you take up a role, what aim do you seek to fulfill by it? Why do you believe other people accept the roles they do? What are they seeking to accomplish by doing so?

The only aim I have in taking a role is doing what that role entails. Other than that, it depends entirely on what the role is.

People accept roles when either the role itself or the product of its fulfillment is something they desire. They're seeking a positive experience or result. Pretty simple.

When you get aggressive with others, what purpose do you think your aggression will serve?

Aggression is a tool used to garner respect (not personal respect, but rather respect as a significant factor in the current situation) and assert personal authority.