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    OK... I have read this thread and will presently re-read it, but before I do, I must ask (what is to me) the obvious question. How can music be related/relegated to a Quadra? Are all these four types more liable to agree on music than they would with individuals of other quadras? I don't know how this is really accurate.

    For example: say I encountered the roughest, raunchiest ESTp. Chances are he's just NOT going to want to borrow my Tori Amos cd. And I'm certainly not going to suddenly start liking rap or speed metal. I like sonorous music, emotional, occasionally strident, but not yelling or screaming. And not thunderous nor offensive lyrics. I want music to touch me deeply -- envelop me and (often) move me to tears or fill me with sheer joy.

    Specifically, I find I'm drawn to music that resonates with me in both lyrics (meaning) and melody (tone).

    I guess I see music as being more related to other type-related factors. INFp music vs. INFj music (some overlap, definitely), etc. Or just preference altogether, without yielding enough information about type to make inferences. Quadra level dynamics for music, movies and the like, just seem a bit contrived. Just IMO.

    I'd appreciate it if someone could offer some reasons in typology terms why quadras might share taste in these forms of entertainment...?
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    Quote Originally Posted by aka-kitsune
    I'd appreciate it if someone could offer some reasons in typology terms why quadras might share taste in these forms of entertainment...?
    That's the thing; they don't.
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    I think this song (and video) might very possibly be Beta?


    Girl Anachronism - Dresden Dolls



     
    You can tell
    From the scars on my arms
    And cracks in my hips
    And the dents in my car
    And the blisters on my lips
    That I'm not the carefullest of girls

    You can tell
    From the glass on the floor
    And the strings that are breaking
    And I keep on breaking more
    And it looks like I am shaking
    But it's just the temperature
    And then again
    If it were any colder I could disengage
    If I were any older I could act my age
    But I don't think that you'd believe me
    It's
    Not
    The
    Way
    I'm
    Meant
    To
    Be
    It's just the way the operation made me

    And you can tell
    From the state of my room
    That they let me out too soon
    And the pills that I ate
    Came a couple years too late
    And I've got some issues to work through
    There I go again
    Pretending to be you
    Make-believing
    That I have a soul beneath the surface
    Trying to convince you
    It was accidentally on purpose

    I am not so serious
    This passion is a plagiarism
    I might join your century
    But only on a rare occasion
    I was taken out
    Before the labor pains set in and now
    Behold the world's worst accident
    I am the girl anachronism

    And you can tell
    By the red in my eyes
    And the bruises on my thighs
    And the knots in my hair
    And the bathtub full of flies
    That I'm not right now at all
    There I go again
    Pretending that I'll fall
    Don't call the doctors
    Cause they've seen it all before
    They'll say just
    Let
    Her
    Crash
    And
    Burn
    She'll learn
    The attention just encourages her

    And you can tell
    From the full-body cast
    That I'm sorry that I asked
    Though you did everything you could
    (like any decent person would)
    But i might be catching so don't touch
    You'll start believing you're immune to gravity and stuff
    Don't get me wet
    Because the bandages will all come off

    And you can tell
    From the smoke at the stake
    That the current state is critical
    Well it is the little things, for instance:
    In the time it takes to break it she can make up ten excuses:
    Please excuse her for the day, its just the way the medication makes her...

    I don't necessarily believe there is a cure for this
    So I might join your century but only as a doubtful guest
    I was too precarious removed as a Caesarian
    Behold the world's worst accident
    I AM THE GIRL ANACHRONISM
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocky
    Quote Originally Posted by aka-kitsune
    I'd appreciate it if someone could offer some reasons in typology terms why quadras might share taste in these forms of entertainment...?
    That's the thing; they don't.
    *sigh*....
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    Quote Originally Posted by aka-kitsune
    Quote Originally Posted by Rocky
    Quote Originally Posted by aka-kitsune
    I'd appreciate it if someone could offer some reasons in typology terms why quadras might share taste in these forms of entertainment...?
    That's the thing; they don't.
    *sigh*....
    Umm I think I can offer an expanation.... music is to an extent type-related. In regards to quadras I think it should be seen not as in terms of specific lyrics or styles but "moods" so to speak. Beta music would therefore be more 'dramatic', even intense. It's a generalization but using this you can see how gangsta rap fits in with music that seems completely different. Also ESTps have gained a steretype as listening to "gansgta rap" but its a gross generalization. Just because that might the music that an ESTp you know talks about with his friends it doesn't mean it's all he listens to. Also it's completely ignoring what ESTp females would listen to. My ex estp roomate listened to gangsta rap sometimes but would also download and listen to music like depeche mode and new order. Of course all of this is speculative from my experience but I hope it helped.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aka-kitsune
    OK... I have read this thread and will presently re-read it, but before I do, I must ask (what is to me) the obvious question. How can music be related/relegated to a Quadra? Are all these four types more liable to agree on music than they would with individuals of other quadras? I don't know how this is really accurate.
    Well music is a form of expression, and if most types are set to express their quadra values and ideals in any sort of communicative mediums possible, then it's no surprise that the quadra values and ideals would come across in form of music.

    And who says the roughest, raunchiest ESTp doesn't listen to Tori Amos? :wink: Ok, so maybe then don't, I don't know. But her music reeks of Ni and Fe, so I guess the ESTp would find them invaluable.

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    What about this?


    Halo - Brothers In Arms

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    My music tastes haven't changed too much since then, although I'm more into underground house and electro now. I also like dub and drum and bass more.

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    no you're weird. what's wrong with you?

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    Something like this:
    1 Nine Inch Nails
    2 The Dillinger Escape Plan
    3 Tool
    4 Radiohead
    5 A Perfect Circle
    6 Porcupine Tree
    7 Queens of the Stone Age
    8 Incubus
    9 Alice in Chains
    10 Modest Mouse
    11 Puscifer
    12 Tomahawk
    13 In Flames
    14 Faith No More
    Beta extrovert from NF club.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lastdance View Post
    3 Tool
    5 A Perfect Circle
    11 Puscifer
    Yeah, MJK is surely IEI.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lastdance View Post
    Something like this:
    1 Nine Inch Nails
    2 The Dillinger Escape Plan
    3 Tool
    4 Radiohead
    5 A Perfect Circle
    6 Porcupine Tree
    7 Queens of the Stone Age
    8 Incubus
    9 Alice in Chains
    10 Modest Mouse
    11 Puscifer
    12 Tomahawk
    13 In Flames
    14 Faith No More
    I am now a proud Puscifer lover Thanks for the recommendation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mercutio View Post
    no you're weird. what's wrong with you?
    Are you talking to me or to Esper?

    Quote Originally Posted by dee View Post
    most of rnb, gangster rap, etc. i think is beta.
    I disagree. I created a thread about rappers, and there were a lot of differing ideas on their types, and on the style of music they create. Plus, you have to take into consideration the differences in subgenres. Gangster rap has a more materialistic edge to it in comparison with rap that is more concerned with the hardships of inner city life and the like. And RnB is wildly different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dee View Post
    well, rnb and rap obviously are Se valued (the expensiveness, the gold, the prestige, power, etc.) i agree some of it may be gamma, but if you know your types and met and know types in reality (can recognize), you'll see the demonstrative Te of ESTPs, the Ti- (statuses based on notions, systems of roles in the gang and how it works along a system (always Ti compensates Te)), the emotions of INFPs, etc.
    I think I know what you mean by Gamma (the capitalistic nature of the rappers, yeah?), but I think it goes deeper than that. And hasn't Eminem been dubbed an SEI?

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    It seems that many people here type a lot of rappers as SEI. I think the general consensus for Eminem specifically though was IEI.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dee View Post
    i think eminem is clearly an ENFJ.
    ISFps are total partyanimals! Even ESTps don't have as wild parties as some of the ISFps that I know.
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    I could be wrong, but I think "Inner Universe" by Origa qualifies as Beta music.
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    Quote Originally Posted by esper View Post
    YES! that roXxX
    Gets my energy going.
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    ISFp's... party animals? No.

    ESFp-Fi can be mistaken for ISFp. INFp-Fe can be mistaken for ISFp. But, true ISFp's are anything but party animals. Some drink a lot [] but they're often so immobile that I can't tell the difference between their states of sobriety and stupor.

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    eminem is neither beta nor is he ENFj. He's most likely Alpha ENTp-Ne
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    Quote Originally Posted by dolphin View Post
    ....................really?
    Hey dolphin, you have an extremely emotive, visual writing style which I usually see with EIE. SEI text is often rife with truncated words and some pretty significant disregard for grammatical style (as if english is a second language, even when the native tongue). Even the description stresses that SEI does not cultivate language/communication skills.

    Your tone is also much 'brighter' than SiFe... how can I describe it... interactions with an EIE are bright & staccato like a sunshower, while SEI sorta rolls in and envelops the interaction like low lying fog.

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    I wouldn't discount that at all. ISFp's can be very sparkly & fun in person but *definately* less intense than EIE .

    I've just never known an SEI to write like Dolphin does - it was just a weird, random observation.

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    I don't like what people call Beta music. All my music is Si valuing. I like a lot of what Winterpark likes.

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    Hi, I am new to the board and I'm an IEI/INFP ... here are my suggestions.

    -- Frank Sinatra, whose songs are heavy on romance and the idealism of seeking and finding a true love. (There are others like Nat King Cole who also fit, but none are/were Sinatra.)
    -- Mister Rogers, whose songs on his TV show were big on building up a child's self-esteem.
    -- The romantic melodies of Henry Mancini (try "Dreamsville" from the Peter Gunn soundtrack.)
    -- The soundtrack to the classic 1944 movie "Laura," a soaring melody about love, which has been covered well by many jazz artists. (Not the versions sung with the lyrics that were written to fit the melody after the fact.)

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    lol @ another beta music thread.

    beta's are the most common in music, I have found...maybe it's just what I pay attention to, though


    Red Hot Chili Peppers, Lil Wayne, 30 seconds to Mars....it goes on lol

    "the kill" by 30 seconds to mars is a real INFp 4 song...all about self-destruction on a spirituali/identity level and whatnot...so next time you reach for that razor, my fellow kin, just turn this jam on and realize someone understands you lol

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    first album of 30StM is much better than the last one, IMO.

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    30 seconds is sooooooo emo omg.



    I really like the high collars they wear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Starfall View Post


    lol...
    damn foo i jealous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Starfall View Post
    He's ISFp, Allie
    omg he is so balla. Make this Jared Leto fan thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Starfall View Post
    I have no problem with that.
    do you know where I can get that jacket?
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    Emo is good
    "Those who make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities..."

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    Jared Leto is not a fucking ISFp lol...he's not some little alpha pussy lol....he's a raw beta
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    The EMO hair style is so disgusting. I'll never understand what people see in it. Unfortunately, I know a couple IEEs, who for some reason, like to wear this look or think it looks good on them.

    Looks like pure garbage to me. Leto looks like a woman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glamourama View Post
    Jared Leto is a douchebag.
    He was paul allen in american psycho right?

    yeah, douchebag.
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    His BlackBerry skit thing right in the beginning and him talking with Jimmy Kimmel driectly after that is exactly how I talk in real life when I am super Fe and random. He also uses touch in the same way I do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Starfall View Post
    This song is pure Beta.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8g_wavcFR4

    Just listen to it...
    That song is about the will to power. In which I would say is not quadra related, but who the hell am I to say anything
    "Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat."
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    Guns N' Roses - Civil War



    Disturbed-"Prayer"



    Tom Petty And The Heartbreakers - Refugee

    "Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat."
    --Theodore Roosevelt

    "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover."
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    I just watched more videos of him, and if he is beta, so am I. Too random like someone I know

    I can hear the coo of Gilly's angelic voice now, kam=beta....
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    is this song beta?


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