Yes, it could very well something else. But barring another woman in the picture, I believe he was telling the truth about the "passion" thing. I didn't feel it either, but I was OK with that.
Yes, it could very well something else. But barring another woman in the picture, I believe he was telling the truth about the "passion" thing. I didn't feel it either, but I was OK with that.
Duality is not as exciting as some other intertype relations.
Could you really envision yourself with an ESTP long-term, though?
I don't know... I dated an ESTP once and while it was fun (charming, hilarious, hyper social, whipsmart, thrill seeking, etc.) I couldn't see him a.) sticking with one person for too long and b.) us being on the same page for very long.
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Now that I've thought about it: no, I can't really envision myself with an ESTP long-term at all. He is definitely the type of person who is like: "onto the next girl!" He is really resolute and resilient and 100% sure that what he think is right. And not exactly the sensitive type of guy who could/would fulfill my emotional needs. In fact, he said a lot of unintentionally rude things to me that hurt my feelings.
But, oh...he is so seductive and charming.
I know this is only one ESTp... but honestly I want nothing to do with the "onto the next short-term relationship!" people... and I don't know how well I'd be able to put up with someone accidentally hurting my feelings consistently either... hmm, well I don't think I would be able to put up with it.Originally Posted by pandagirl
though IEI might have more of an outward reaction when their feelings are hurt than ILI, and maybe that would have an effect... or alter the dynamic...
But the way that ESTp is (Fi PoLR) it seems that it would sort of be in its nature to be insensitive to how others feel.
He's the type of person to date a lot of people, and not stick with one, because he knows EXACTLY what he wants/is looking for. So, if a girl doesn't fit into this ideal, in his mind it's over.
That being said, he is a good guy, just brutally honest. He told me his past girlfriends have claimed he is "emotionally distant" and it's because "most of the time, I'm thinking something they don't want to hear." ha!
I can understand that more. It sucks though.
It does suck. But you know, I think we will be friends. He's an exciting guy to have around who brings me out of my shell and I ground him a bit.
I know of two ESTps who did settle down - very cool and hilarious dads. Home is not a relaxing safehaven for them. Home is a place where they can make taunting jokes without worrying about how people percieve them.
Well there's the INTp theory. But also, the problem could be subtype difference. If you are clearly one subtype - and you seem subtype of either INTp or INFp - and if he was subtype, he might have just needed a bit more .
EIE, ENFj, intuitive subtype.
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Yup! I feel the same way. I can match his witty remarks, with equal wit and keep up with his conversations in every way. He brings out that side of me. In fact, he just just called me and we had a great conversation.
I think maybe we were meant to be friends and not lovers. In a way, I think I'm too easy for him -- too comfortable.
thats what i was going to say.
i feel the most passionate when there is some tension, but some complimentary exchange as well. I don't have to do anything but be in the same room as an INFp (not my dual) to feel physically attracted.
Panda, you'll see if he still thinks theres something missing after some time with you. I particularly find this occuring in ExTp and sometimes ExFp. Also, 30 is not past the age where one acquires maturity in many cases.
Well, interestingly enough, he isn't friends with any of his exes. I seem to be the lone girl who has somehow managed to earn his respect, citing I am the "coolest girl he's er me." He manages to bring out the most outgoing aspects of my personality and I love hanging out with him, because he is so good in social situations which takes the attention away from me (which I like). I am very good one-on-one, but not in a group.
I know he likes me. He's told me that over and over again. He is physically attracted to me, blah blah. Just not falling in love with me. We'll see what happens!
IEI-Fe 4w3
Look. Stop this socionics analyzing bull.
He's just a player.
Give him the player test. Put up the bitch shield. If he passes through all that, well, then perhaps he really wants you. Then if you wish, have fun with him. If not, wait till you're married.
It's up to you. Your choice.
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beyond words
beautiful within
her soul
brighter than
the sun
lovelier than
love
dreams larger
than life
and does not
understand the
meaning of no.
Because everything
through her, and in her, is
"Yes, it will be done."
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Update: well. I'm not proud, but I saw the guy the other night in a group setting. I played it cool all night, not paying much attention to him, and of course, by the end of the night...he kissed me...and I gave in. CRAP. There is such a push-and-pull between us. A natural attraction to each other, even though we're so different.
Sounds to me like maybe he was attracted to the "hard to get" act. I've known guys like this that just like what they can't have, but when it comes down to it they don't like you for who you really are. They just like the cat and mouse game. I'm not saying with certainty that this is what's happening here. Just be careful. You deserve someone to like "you".
Help.
Yesterday I knew nothing, today I know that.
That he's super intelligent, he calls me out on my bs, it seems he has my best interests at heart even when I dont....I dunno, he's just everything I thought I never wanted, but really it's all i've ever wanted.
We have awsome conversations about anything and anything, never ending. He calms me down, my crazy ways have gotten toned down a lot since meeting him.
Yesterday I knew nothing, today I know that.
I'd be willing to bet he's really just an INFp with a high Ti focus.
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Johari
"F" does not exist
Strrrng's probably correct and that was went through my head as well.
The end is nigh
If that is ture...that'd be great. However, I have this inner turmoil about the situation.
Is it werid, that I feel like he has more control over me than anyone....without even trying?? He just lets me be me...but it seems like he has this power over me. Blah.
Fuck my life..yes, because I hate this situation. I dont know what to do with myself when I'm not with him...only when I'm with him, does everything seem A-OK.
Yesterday I knew nothing, today I know that.
If the situation is moderately okay to good, definitely carry on with it! Don't rely on your socionics typing ability! Just remember that you know that people act differently and may not always act how you want them to.
The situation is good and then some. So I guess, I shall carry on with it.
Basically, he got outta relationship a few months ago + and about a month and a half ago said he didn't want to get into a relationship (we got super super close super fast) and basically since then...it's seemed like one. It has ALL the makings of one, without the title. I understand so therefore I don't presume or pressure him. But, the more time goes on, the more he behaves like a bf. Werid, but I totally heart him. Haven't told him, nor will I tell him for a long time to come. I just almost want to be like "WTF is going on" but I don't have the balls to, nor do I almost feel the need for it. Advice?
Yesterday I knew nothing, today I know that.
That does remind me of things I've read about dual relationships... you connect with each others' subconsciouses, and you become dependent on each other.
http://www.socionika.com/experiencin...relations.html
Judging from that, any sort of romance that starts as "let's have a romance" is messed up... it should drive itself, as yours seems to be doing. Just don't stop it or wander away.
LII-Ne
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I wonder if its possible to change the title of this thread to "I heart an INFp" and move it to Beta??
Because quite frankly...I think I might have fooled myself with MBTI and trying to transfer over to socionics...Not only that, after reading more and based on our interaction and whatnot...I believe he is INFp.
WHAAA I believe this is my first encounter ever (that im aware of) with a dual.
Yesterday I knew nothing, today I know that.
Hello ESTP.
I'm an isfp and a while ago I have also encountered my dual for the first time.
I am still not a 100 % sure he is an entp , YET I feel the exact same way as you described and that is frankly seen as dual relationships.
Mrrrrrrrrr it confuses me toooo!
But I am going with Brilliand's advice.
I could try and go on about how the situation makes me feel but all you're gonna get is "blablibla maybe?not sure lalala *wonders* *contemplates* *sighs* *gets annoyed*" so I'm not gonna do it.
Hearting an infp isn't the problem. Infps are pathetically easy to like and enjoy. Infps have a problem with commitment and simply, 'just being there.'
Ya I know what you mean. I def. go with Brilliand's advice and let it happend. I've thought to myself to just give him an ultimatum, but it feels so wrong. Not that I'm worried about the outcome, but because there just feels to be a natural progression.
I don't want to mess with that becaues it's so amazing. Honestly, I think this way is better although I don't like it necessarily (the unknown or uncertainty) but at the same time I can foresee the outcome. And, I'm pretty sure he feels the same (although I haven't asked him). But, from the type of conversations we have, I can sense it.
I'm really glad, I didn't give into my impulse to:
a) give him an ultimatum
b) try to force the situation (ie...ultimatum etc)
c) try to ruin the situation or test him by dating other people
d) hooking up with an ex to try and "move on" from the uncertainty of the situation
Reference article "D" (above)...I've been getting propositions from my ex (who was great in bed) every other day for the last week to hook up, no strings attached. Usually I wouldn't care, since it's known territory and a sure thing. But, without any reservation I said "NO" every time and don't plan on saying yes at all. I know I would feel the need to tell INFp-man and it would ruin anything that is potentially there. He wouldn't admit it, but I know it would hurt him on some level. I couldn't do that to him, I don't want to do that to him, and I know he came back and said something like that to me, it would crush me greatly.
I don't trust most people, even people I've known for a really long time I still get some reservation about, but I trust him completely. That's intense, considering I haven't knowing him THAT long.
Yesterday I knew nothing, today I know that.