ENTJ
ENTJ
Well I am back. How's everyone? Don't have as much time now, but glad to see some of the old gang are still here.
Obviously values Se.
I'm reading Jung Chang's Mao biography, and the figure described there is ESTp or ENFj. No ENTj. Slight possibility of Se-ESFp.
, LIE, ENTj logical subtype, 8w9 sx/sp
Originally Posted by implied
Expat, but you are aware that that book has stirred up a lot of controversies? I do not know anything to pass judgement, I just know taht some say her book is biased and that this one is better. This is what I read from forums....
I am aware of that, that is precisely one of the reasons why I bought it. And I also have Philip Short's book.
I had also previously read Li Zhisui's The Private Life of Chairman Mao.
Neither book is my only source on Mao -- and nowhere have I seen anything to suggest ENTj.
As for "biased" - I am starting to "love" that word.
, LIE, ENTj logical subtype, 8w9 sx/sp
Originally Posted by implied
..... the whole "cultural revolution"
was extremely anti
Ti was put on a huge pedestal
cut off all higher learning (alternate forms of thinking), controlling with mass propaganda so everyone thinks the same way, huge concern about image.
Ti + Fe + Se
Posts I wrote in the past contain less nuance.
If you're in this forum to learn something, be careful. Lots of misplaced toxicity.
~an extraverted consciousness is unable to believe in invisible forces.
~a certain mysterious power that may prove terribly fascinating to the extraverted man, for it touches his unconscious.
Originally Posted by Expat
It totally seems like a Beta affair. It was all about image "This doesn't look like it supports OUR culture!!!"
Posts I wrote in the past contain less nuance.
If you're in this forum to learn something, be careful. Lots of misplaced toxicity.
~an extraverted consciousness is unable to believe in invisible forces.
~a certain mysterious power that may prove terribly fascinating to the extraverted man, for it touches his unconscious.
Any Ideas?
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He VIs more like a Beta NF than ST imo. I'm more inclined to think he is ENFj.
His droplet shaped body and slightly fat, hanging cheeks are quite common among IxTp types. His distant, passive gaze, in my opinion, is very different from that of ESxp types.
Also left-authoritarianism is not necessarily Beta. You've got a lot of people refering to Ayn Rand as a typical Beta despite that she is strongly right-libertarian. Either these people are dead wrong (and I do mean in a really, really embarrasing way cause they would be pegging her opposite to what she really is), or the "political compass" is not type related, and so Mao's tendency to authoritarianism doesn't indicate he is Beta.
Beta Rational, I had thought LSI before. He has pretty null facial expressions/motility in general, especially for an EIE, but the photo on the left makes me question myself, as does this:
There's a bit of that David Carradine pensiveness in there.
And yes, Ashton, this time I am saying that Carradine is EIE.
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
I cant rule out ENFj as a possibility either, but I dont think ISTj. Tchang kei chek was ISTj and they seem nothing alike though I guess you could argue for two different subtypes.
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Some kind of Beta. His father sounded like an LSI-Ti. His mother sounded like an extraverted beta or an ILE-Ti. I guess his mother could've been an LSI-Se and then Mao Zedong himself was an LSI-Se. I kind of think it would be impossible for an LSI-Ti to make that big of an impact, but an LSI-Se could do it... Stalin was an LSI-Se and he made a very large impact.
It's kind of hard and kind of easy for me to see him as EIE-Ni. He didn't live a structured life at all, and didn't sound monotonous in his life like EIE-Ni often are and he didn't try to appeal to peoples' emotions like ****** who was an EIE-Ni did. But he was very distrustful and authoritarian in the way he handled people and society like EIE-Ni often are.
If I had to say though, I'd say he was an unusually effective SLE-Ti. The only other two types I could see him as are LSI-Se and EIE-Ni. But he seemed way more creative than EIE-Ni tend to be (EIE-Ni's work is usually pretty unoriginal although there are some exceptions).
I'm sorry, but I'm psychologically disturbed.
Se/Ni valuing is apparent, with strong Ne. So EIE or LIE. I think NF fits better than NT and Beta fits better than Gamma, so EIE makes sense.