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    Quote Originally Posted by Heavy View Post
    As far as I'm concerned, AB's response to Maritsa is also a nail in the coffin for the LSE litmus test. There's no doubt he likes to play Maritsa's dual. It's a feeling-role he embraced partly to overplay his self-typing LSE, and partly because he was responding to Maritsa's inaccurate information. The irony is Maritsa isn't even an INFj and any LSE, or frankly SLE, would be repelled by her forthright attempts to manage people emotionally.
    Yeah, you're dead right about the emotional manipulation. Obersturmführer Airborne and Queen Mother Maritsa seemed the same people to me from the beginning. If not the fact they're different persons I would really think they, he, she is some hydra. In fact both share a history, clinical history, asylum for mentally ill, both are drama queens and stuff like that plus that Dalai Lama Master Ammonius(?) who wrote about, I don't even know what the fuck he wrote about - pages for pages of letters, pages for pages of shite.

    Alphas and Betas in Delta Quadra. On top of that Ryu the Pocahontas saying he and Obersturmführer are the same type. Haha! I hated 'Alphabetadeltans' or something all the time.

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    imo

    estj: More aggressive, firm stance and gait.

    istj: Erotic, a bit more laid back....but still kinda tense/jerky. A lot of porn stars are istjs.

    I don't doubt he gets a lot of sex and manipulates people...but I know more about Airborne's personal life reading his posts than I know about most LSI, LSE, and SLEs who I've known for years. I'm certain he's ESFj.
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    ESTjs are more likely to talk and ISTjs have humor as opposed to humor.

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    Abbie is so boring and rigid it's awesome instead of boring and rigid. She seems so practical and down-to-the-ground.

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    If we're gonna talk about them in terms of anger, from my experience ESTj anger tends to be in bursts, little discrete periods where anger/frustration is unleashed, or at least what seems to be anger building (at least with E8s). Then once that period is over, it's smooth sailing again until the next bump in the road. On the other hand, ISTjs generally seem like they're at a sorta low, constant level of pervasive anger, like it's just below the surface but you can definitely tell it's there (I'm sure the intertype b/w me and ISTjs has biased my observations though )

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    The biggest difference is probably that they are both very stubborn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarno View Post
    The biggest difference is probably that they are both very stubborn.
    Beg your pardon?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Galen View Post
    Beg your pardon?
    Me was joking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Galen View Post
    If we're gonna talk about them in terms of anger, from my experience ESTj anger tends to be in bursts, little discrete periods where anger/frustration is unleashed, or at least what seems to be anger building (at least with E8s). Then once that period is over, it's smooth sailing again until the next bump in the road. On the other hand, ISTjs generally seem like they're at a sorta low, constant level of pervasive anger, like it's just below the surface but you can definitely tell it's there (I'm sure the intertype b/w me and ISTjs has biased my observations though )

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    Over here, we'll put up with (almost) all of your crap. You just have to use the secret phrase: "I don't value it. It's related to <insert random element here>, which is not in my quadra."
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    Abbie is so boring and rigid it's awesome instead of boring and rigid. She seems so practical and down-to-the-ground.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Galen View Post
    If we're gonna talk about them in terms of anger, from my experience ESTj anger tends to be in bursts, little discrete periods where anger/frustration is unleashed, or at least what seems to be anger building (at least with E8s). Then once that period is over, it's smooth sailing again until the next bump in the road. On the other hand, ISTjs generally seem like they're at a sorta low, constant level of pervasive anger, like it's just below the surface but you can definitely tell it's there (I'm sure the intertype b/w me and ISTjs has biased my observations though )
    I like this.


    I think it was mentioned earlier in the thread that LSE at a glance have a more friendly, soft and direct feel to them. LSI are more controlled and while not necessarily distant, are emotionally turned off, and a bit stiff. In general, LSI are just more intimidating before you get to know them.

    Imo, LSI are most characterized by their self-discipline. LSE are most characterized by their ability to get things done, and get it done right. Sometimes its hard to distinguish between those two characteristics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heavy View Post
    I've got Airborne as ESFj. At first I thought he was an ESTj, but his earlier days struck me as too Jekyll and Hydish. He also has a much softer underbelly than the more macho ESTj or ISTj type could hope to pull off. He has overcliched ideas on LSE control, Beta STs, and the way that LSEs view themselves. And he orders the details in his stories so sequentially for effect it's ridiculously ESFj....and he lacks the "jock terseness" or technical refinement to cover either subtype of LSE...it's also true that Te can be more biased and emotional in their opinions, but they make more efforts to atleast sound objective and process-oriented (he varies though, I think he's close between F and T)...Airborne has also claimed he's much different in person, and ime LSE and LIE are the two types that act pretty similar online and in person.

    As far as I'm concerned, AB's response to Maritsa is also a nail in the coffin for the LSE litmus test. There's no doubt he likes to play Maritsa's dual. It's a feeling-role he embraced partly to overplay his self-typing LSE, and partly because he was responding to Maritsa's inaccurate information. The irony is Maritsa isn't even an INFj and any LSE, or frankly SLE, would be repelled by her forthright attempts to manage people emotionally. Smilingeyes didn't waste any time telling her to take a hike.

    I don't doubt he gets a lot of sex and manipulates people...but I know more about Airborne's personal life reading his posts than I know about most LSI, LSE, and SLEs who I've known for years. I'm certain he's ESFj.

    And if the triangular rapport between Airborne, Pied Piper , and Ammonius wasn't alpha airiness at its best, I'd be hard-pressed to find a better example of it.
    Of course I manage people emotionally and ethically; I teach LSE that their behavior is of a certain ethics and they promise to correct their actions in return, mostly, I teach by shaming them into doing what is good/bad. If they don't accept my ethical corrections then it's up to them not to take part in duality; it would be the same as if saying that a certain EII does not want to be controlled by LSE, who are controlling with regards to efficiency in activities.

    Quote Originally Posted by Absurd View Post
    Yeah, you're dead right about the emotional manipulation. Obersturmführer Airborne and Queen Mother Maritsa seemed the same people to me from the beginning. If not the fact they're different persons I would really think they, he, she is some hydra. In fact both share a history, clinical history, asylum for mentally ill, both are drama queens and stuff like that plus that Dalai Lama Master Ammonius(?) who wrote about, I don't even know what the fuck he wrote about - pages for pages of letters, pages for pages of shite.

    Alphas and Betas in Delta Quadra. On top of that Ryu the Pocahontas saying he and Obersturmführer are the same type. Haha! I hated 'Alphabetadeltans' or something all the time.

    By the way, how did you find this forum and how long are you in this field if I may ask.
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Galen View Post
    If we're gonna talk about them in terms of anger, from my experience ESTj anger tends to be in bursts, little discrete periods where anger/frustration is unleashed, or at least what seems to be anger building (at least with E8s). Then once that period is over, it's smooth sailing again until the next bump in the road. On the other hand, ISTjs generally seem like they're at a sorta low, constant level of pervasive anger, like it's just below the surface but you can definitely tell it's there (I'm sure the intertype b/w me and ISTjs has biased my observations though )
    This falls into the pattern of dynamic types having more changeable moods, which doesn't seem to go with rationality/irrationality despite some temperament descriptions placing it there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azeroffs View Post
    I think it was mentioned earlier in the thread that LSE at a glance have a more friendly, soft and direct feel to them. LSI are more controlled and while not necessarily distant, are emotionally turned off, and a bit stiff. In general, LSI are just more intimidating before you get to know them.

    Imo, LSI are most characterized by their self-discipline. LSE are most characterized by their ability to get things done, and get it done right. Sometimes its hard to distinguish between those two characteristics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pied Piper View Post
    Are you agreeing with his both LSE and LSI depictions, or only the LSE one?
    Both, though I'm not an authority on the latter.

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    Ni PoLR and Ni activating.

    ESTj's can't feel time very well, when they get involved in a hobby, they can lose the sense of time and go at what they are doing for a long time.Aushra wrote that ESTj's have to stick with their plans rigidly and any uncertainty or things that cause them to deviate from plans, they except poorly.

    Fits of Rage and anger, ESTj's unlike ISTj's have periodic fits of anger that come through. ISTj's are much more even tempered and milder. ISTj's also have the ability to reduce things to concise things so don't bother with collecting redundant information

    ESTj's frequently commit ethical slips and because of this they require stable relations and uncertainty really immobilizes them.

    Te, ESTj's concentrate on methods, on how to do things and if something done is efficient, meets needs, and give advice on how things can be improved. ISTj's don't give advice about these things.

    Both ESTj's and ISTj's show good manners and bread. ESTj's will call attention to themselves, to admire or solicit admiration of their selves, either on what they have accomplished, the things they have purchased that perform well, or their skill and ability in doing something better then others.

    LSI don't care about processes and methods they keep track of objects and systems. LSE do keep track of methods, how something is done, how things were arrived the way they were.

    For further reference please read the Augusta's writing on LSE and LSI found on socionics.org; you may use Google translator to convert the text into english.

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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    Quote Originally Posted by None View Post
    Since both are XSTJ, they´re similar.

    I´m quite confident I´m ESTJ but sometimes I wonder. How to really tell one of these types from the other when I type other people. Both seem to march while walking. Both are rigid - at least in their more serious part of their lives. Both are kind of organized.

    So far the only difference I can see is an ESTJ has a shortest margin of tolerance to getting very upset and having an outburst, while ISTJ is more controlled in his emotions hardest to lose temper.
    There is a lot more depth to be explored here.

    Valuing Fe vs Fi is a huge difference
    Valuing Te vs Ti is a huge difference
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    Only very superficially are types that are one "letter different" in the four letter code similar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by None View Post
    lol Pied Piper , now any Logical type with a sense of humor is SLE?

    I don´t play with people in real life, I don´t like to do it, but having Te [this is my guess] gives me somewhat of a ability to be manipulative and controlling of people, which btw is in tune with LSE, since LSE is 'the administrator' he has to control all the resources at hand including people.

    I don´t consider SLE seriously, because I´m too stiff and rigid in real life, I don´t talk during classes when the teacher is speaking [something SLEs often do], I get annoyed by such unpolite behavior and I have that xSTJ military way of walking, I march, I don´t walk, even in relaxed situations. This all points to xSTJ if you know descriptions of these two types.

    And I really don´t think I have in ego block, I know people who do, they´re kind of different in a sense, and I see lots of in me, so I am probably LSE indeed.

    Anyway you can think what you want, there´s Heavy calling me ESFj, there´s a bunch of ppl who think I´m ESTp like you do, and there´s a bunch who think I´m ISTj, I have no intention of convincing anyone or stopping them.

    After all, life is much more serious than discussions in an internet forum, I have other problems more real and concrete than 'virtual' things which are barely real.
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    An LSI and LSE walk into a bar, which one is most likely to compliment on how people come off by saying "people are lively, upbeat, cheerful"?
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    LSI of course.

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    LSI - comment on what he sees
    LSE - Refers to what he knows
    Projection is ordinary. Person A projects at person B, hoping tovalidate something about person A by the response of person B. However, person B, not wanting to be an obejct of someone elses ego and guarding against existential terror constructs a personality which protects his ego and maintain a certain sense of a robust and real self that is different and separate from person A. Sadly, this robust and real self, cut off by defenses of character from the rest of the world, is quite vulnerable and fragile given that it is imaginary and propped up through external feed back. Person B is dimly aware of this and defends against it all the more, even desperately projecting his anxieties back onto person A, with the hope of shoring up his ego with salubrious validation. All of this happens without A or B acknowledging it, of course. Because to face up to it consciously is shocking, in that this is all anybody is doing or can do and it seems absurd when you realize how pathetic it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa Darmandzhyan View Post
    An LSI and LSE walk into a bar, which one is most likely to compliment on how people come off by saying "people are lively, upbeat, cheerful"?
    "lively, upbeat, cheerful" is not only Fe at work.It could also be Ne or manipulative Fi . I guess what an LSI would appreciate are social interactions that serve a clear purpose and nothing is reduntant and incohesive so that LSI does not get worn-off. So,the best thing to happen would be a Fe base approaching the LSI and making him/her feel integrated.The fact that it is hard to do this without support would cause a "fuck,now what" reaction and possibly bitterness (in case we're talking about primitive Ti). An,LSE, having Fe-role would have an easier time harmonizing with the upbeat environement and also commenting on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jennifer View Post
    "lively, upbeat, cheerful" is not only Fe at work.It could also be Ne or manipulative Fi . I guess what an LSI would appreciate are social interactions that serve a clear purpose and nothing is reduntant and incohesive so that LSI does not get worn-off. So,the best thing to happen would be a Fe base approaching the LSI and making him/her feel integrated.The fact that it is hard to do this without support would cause a "fuck,now what" reaction and possibly bitterness (in case we're talking about primitive Ti). An,LSE, having Fe-role would have an easier time harmonizing with the upbeat environement and also commenting on it.
    He doesn't need any help in integrating; he's very aggressive about going in and doing that, does that still make this guy LSI?
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    Out of those two it's the SEE, Maritsa.

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    How could typing a person hinge on one isolated behavioral trait?

    Personally, I don't recall any LSIs I know caring much about an "upbeat" atmosphere. They comment on a variety things like integrity, intensity, aesthetic properties of an environment, people being deep/shallow, and people being "too lowbrow" or "too snooty," and they express to me concerns about fitting in or not, even if it's to say they don't care if they do. Some of them seem worried they are being judged by someone and speculate about that. After a social occasion, these LSIs might analyze the dynamics just experienced--they might seek my input on understanding it, and contribute observations about things I missed, like, "So-and-so was very uneasy when you asked her that question" or "Person X is very insecure." When I ask how they know, it's often something like a physical gesture or pattern that clued them in. The LSIs are more certain than I am in that way--the person definitely was like that, according to them; I just feel my way along and suspect things, or I see big patterns better than current states.

    The LSEs I know are more likely than LSIs to expect a group mood be "positive," or demand that it be so or engineer it to be so. "Upbeat" seems more like an LSE churning out some flat-seeming Fe. With LSEs I have noticed sometimes a discomfort with me assessing social dynamics a posteriori. They seem to prefer, if anything, to predict that in advance as a series of steps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CONFIMED View Post
    The LSEs I know are more likely than LSIs to expect a group mood be "positive," or demand that it be so or engineer it to be so. "Upbeat" seems more like an LSE churning out some flat-seeming Fe.
    yeah, that's exactly what i thought when reading the OP. if anything, it could be a Te observation (referring to the characteristics of the general activity in the bar.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by CONFIMED View Post
    Personally, I don't recall any LSIs I know caring much about an "upbeat" atmosphere. They comment on a variety things like integrity, intensity, aesthetic properties of an environment, people being deep/shallow, and people being "too lowbrow" or "too snooty,"
    There goes my LSIness.

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    LSIs are often the providers of positive atmosphere (barring cultural influences). Positivist, emotion-creating, merry.
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    I've gathered a lot of information with this regard. I think it would be safe to say that in the op it is LSI because they are looking for a varied emotional atmosphere while the LSE is looking at what is being done, the dynamics, rather than a static perception of how people at the bar are like.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa View Post
    ESTj's frequently commit ethical slips and because of this they require stable relations and uncertainty really immobilizes them.
    wouldn't ISTjs be as likely to make ethical mistakes having Fi role as the ESTjs with Fi suggestive?

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    Quote Originally Posted by yeves View Post
    wouldn't ISTjs be as likely to make ethical mistakes having Fi role as the ESTjs with Fi suggestive?
    Well ISTj are more empathetic.
    Well ISTj are more empathetic. They may get moody and suddenly curse or be jolly good mood but they are not as restrained in public because they react like Ij temperament. Lse will restrain themselves enough to take their crankiness out on their close relations because these are people who will listen to them and they can still look good to the public. They also berate others and call people "bitches" ect where ISTj may curse at the situation like saying suddenly "F". LSe are bitchy because they are extraverts and talk more. LSI are moody because of their Fi they hide more emotions inside but they like an Fe varried emotional atmospheres of joking and enthusiasm. LsE like a relaxed si atmoshere that may seem quite borring to LSI like relaxing with a movie and cuddeling at home. Yes LSI cuddle but watch movies that are much more emotionally varried. Like my cousin and I may stay in and listen to very toned down melodic music not Beethoven which is intenser.
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    Being extraverts LSE are much more keen on or aware of how they come off and because of that they are llinear in varried social circumstances. While to the public they are the philanthropist and nice people to their family they arw demanding directors who easily get upset when people don't pay attention to them even though thwy direct out of being certain of their view on what works. This creates two different people in one but LSE know and recognize their place so that they can work within systems while LSI challenge them sometimes carelessly.
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    I think I posted this because I was trying to determine if my son's father was LSI or LSE. Now I think he's probably SLE.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Airman View Post
    lol Pied Piper , now any Logical type with a sense of humor is SLE?

    I don´t play with people in real life, I don´t like to do it, but having Te [this is my guess] gives me somewhat of a ability to be manipulative and controlling of people, which btw is in tune with LSE, since LSE is 'the administrator' he has to control all the resources at hand including people.

    I don´t consider SLE seriously, because I´m too stiff and rigid in real life, I don´t talk during classes when the teacher is speaking [something SLEs often do], I get annoyed by such unpolite behavior and I have that xSTJ military way of walking, I march, I don´t walk, even in relaxed situations. This all points to xSTJ if you know descriptions of these two types.

    And I really don´t think I have in ego block, I know people who do, they´re kind of different in a sense, and I see lots of in me, so I am probably LSE indeed.

    Anyway you can think what you want, there´s Heavy calling me ESFj, there´s a bunch of ppl who think I´m ESTp like you do, and there´s a bunch who think I´m ISTj, I have no intention of convincing anyone or stopping them.

    After all, life is much more serious than discussions in an internet forum, I have other problems more real and concrete than 'virtual' things which are barely real.
    I just realized you COULD be ESTJ
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    Someone actually gets these two types confused lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by pandemic candy View Post
    Someone actually gets these two types confused lol
    Lol
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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