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    Quote Originally Posted by dolphin View Post
    at Gilly bolstering his point by reusing "resting state" as an actual quality Bale wanted in the situation. Anyway I've been trying to put into words a functional viewpoint of the situation that involves Bale valuing Ne/Si instead. I just think that all this talk of "boundaries" is a bit misleading, like Se/Ni people are the only ones with "boundaries" lol.

    I think that the way Se works is regulating external static boundaries so the dynamic nature of Ni can fester internally, unchecked..and that in turn, Ni's process validates Se's right to be static, giving it subjective value.

    In turn, I think Si works a bit differently because the external unfolding of the field (which contrasts with Ni's internal unfolding) surrounds the internality of Ne, and ties back to it in support, the internal static subjectivity validating the directions that Si mutates or whatever.

    I've wondered before if Si seems more "laid back" as opposed to Se because Si, having the field nature, is mutable, changeable, and seemingly accommodating, and you can more or less discern this more easily due to it having an external nature. While with Se (also external) all you see is objects in sharp disparity.

    But actually I've been wondering about which functions can be termed as describing "boundaries" and why....perhaps you have the ones Se imposes statically as objects, and Si itself is also a boundary? However the notion I've been entertaining (and that makes sense according to my observation of people interacting with alternate thought processes) is that field functions tend to "eat" their corresponding object brother...and what I mean by that is,

    You can have an Se valuing person who isn't that great (ie, uncontrolled, spontaneous, shakey, not ego function) at imposing Se boundaries natively, but still loves it (ie, a Beta NF)...and you can have an Si ego person who wields Si inherantly...and that what happens in their interaction, is that whenever the Beta NF strikes out on a mission or has a whim for Se (temperaments will play a role in how the energy to do so is exerted), the Si ego's Si will "eat" their (the Beta NF's) effort so to speak...because because you can contain objects within a field...and the interaction won't fit together for either person, but the Beta NF will feel frustrated because their effort to impose Se (which would lead to regulating the chaotic Ni) will simply be relativized into the Si-er's corresponding chaotic externality. It would be frustrating for the Beta NF because their static boundaries become nothing more than objects that fit into Si's constantly changing field connections.

    I've heard Ne being referred to as "random", but in my mind it isn't random...given the accuracy, speed, and depth with which an Ne ego navigates through a ton of internal objects, ideas, and picks anchors to govern the unfolding of Si..you could refer back to the thread in which Sappho asks for opinions on her type...I said:



    and then also what Riddy has mentioned about Ne:



    So, you can kind of contrast the way an Se-er goes about navigating the external boundaries optimally, Ne-ers do this also, but internally. (Ne-ers are such internal baddasses ) So perhaps the reason people get the impression that Se-ers are more visibly "forceful" is because of the nature of internality vs externality...the Ne process is just not going to be as apparent...and I can see how Si sort of is a "boundary", due to it's external nature, (just a more connected one than Se)...but somehow to me the nature of Ne signals that it is in itself a sort of boundary...like an anchor, or the root of a tree...and I think that Ni in it's chaotic festering unintentionally violates Ne's solidariness by "eating" it, too...the Ne anchor becomes nothing more than a relative internal point, quality, or object, in a sea of Ni...and you can see how this would play out in an interaction...what comes to mind is an Si Ej trying forcefully to impose some Ne in their internal state which in turn regulates the Si externality very methodically...and might end up regulating others...and the Ni Ip goes "psh" and floats away...and you can see the point of view for each person, right? The Ni Ip is operating from a different thought organization system, and might not appreciate being regulated continually...but in the Ej's point of view they may be a leech, someone who floats along passively, someone who gets out of responsibility for their actions due to a very relative, chaotic internal vision...and even such a passive person may intrude on others by having the Ip nature bleed with little boundaries (inconsistant employment of Se)...and anyway, you get the point, but it's like, those aren't really because there are so many points of view and situations and contexts to navigate with these base definitions that I feel unconfident esposing specific "real life" examples, which makes it hard to respond to that when people request it, but I tried, so please don't hate

    So I think both Se/Ni and Si/Ne can feel violated by trespassing of their respective boundaries..and that a seemingly otherwise laid back Si valuing person can go batshit when someone treads on that...in addition, Bale, being an Ti valuer as well, would seemingly have a rather rigid (consistant) outlay for how these principles apply and when and where..it reminds me of Gilly's way of justifying Bale in this thread...he seems to me to be referencing the fundemental connections of the principles of why Bale would do such a thing..."priorities of on set behavior"...to me that referenced, Bale's inner static, rather rigid perception of what the principles of onset behavior should be...(Ne + Ti)...having someone tell him to "calm down", relativizes the behavior into a wider context, making it fluid...I've seen Beta NFs react to a Si-ers imposition of some static Ne principle by seemingly tying it together with their Ni...added to that is the fact that a Beta NF will also have their Fe, assessing the dynamics and kind of filling the internal situation subjectively as they see fit...so the Si-er reacting to the inner Ne breach will be relativized into this chaotic, overarching Ni state, and perhaps flouted or manipulated as "unreasonable" or "throwing a tantrum" or told a "calm down" to undermine the Ne-er, making their case for the breached Ne boundary meaningless...and also, not trying to stereotype, but I've also see Si-ers tell some Se valuing person to "relax" about their imposition of Se...and it's not just that behavior you see, but rather how the field function effectively "eats" the object function...I haven't examined the judging functions for validity with this concept so right now I'm limiting it to Ne/Si and Se/Ni pending further investigation...

    But basically I'll try to condense my point into, Bale's "tantrum" can be seen as maybe a repeated offense that seemed little but built up...due to his perception of external Si process...it has a way of building on itself so to speak, due to the field dynamic nature...but that doesn't mean he necessarily expressed his perception, instead perhaps giving a person leeway to see if they changed the offensive behavior..but eventually it could build up and really tamper with the Ne anchor of perception, leading to him reasserting his (not always explicit) boundaries seemingly violently, which may have to do with his internal state, so it's not reasonable imo, taking the internal state of a person into account, to simply say "He was a little bitch and this is unacceptable"...because a person's reactions are largely determined by their inner and outer perceptions and reactions to an environment OVER TIME...so I can see why he'd be seen as a lunatic by some, but I can also see how his reaction is justified...I've seen Ne/Si valuing people get very paranoid and rigid around Ni/Se'ers...because the Ni/Se, being themselves, will make the Ne/Se'er's internal anchors arbitrary...it won't lead to the corresponding Si process which protects and regulates the Ne principle...I mean how would you feel if the things that needed to be very static and clear for you were constantly put in flux by someone else...it's a very messy feeling and can lead to neurotic policing of your internal and external environment...of course there is an alternate viewpoint by the Ni/Se person so this isn't a criticism of them, etc. But yeah, it seems to me that Se leading people would be more consistant about the external boundaries being regulated...leading to NOT a "tantrum" or "aggression", but rather someone that appears less overtly aggressive because the outward display of disparity is already established, given the nature of Se as an external function. A display of Ne may seem very arbitrary given it's internal nature especially if the corresponding Si process isn't there to support it. so Bale's reaction, in my opinion, is due to his sporadic application of Si (which may be a charisteristic of ENxps in general) that is, he likes it but is not able to apply it in the natively consistant way of an Si ego Ip....and also, I think that his aggressive reaction may actually be protecting the Si process that he goes towards.

    I hope this makes sense, cause I'm going crosseyed rereading it..
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    That's what I was getting at with the Ne disrupts and breaks apart Ni and Se disrupts and breaks apart Si. The other direction wouuld be like you say, "eating it up". Basically, the non-valued Pi causes the objective and boundaried qualities of the valued Pe to be lost in a sea of temporal relativity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    You're missing the point. I'm saying that an Se type could easily get just as out of control as Bale; most likely not for the same reasons, but saying that Se types never through immature temper tantrums is kind of laughable.
    I did not say that an Se ego could never throw a temper tantrum; I said they would never go about expressing themselves in such a state in the way that Bale did (recall the point about bitchy beta ST girls?).

    So you don't know whether or not you're being dogmatic?
    Obviously I do, if I acknowledged it in the post.

    Straw man again? That's not at all the reason I provided.
    How is that a straw man? I was referring to the facile critique you made of my reasoning.

    How could it solidify anything when I don't even HAVE a self-typing any more? All it would do is make me equally confused about the OTHER person's type.
    Well, if that's the case, it wouldn't. But that's not to say that it couldn't, once you settled down on some other type. I suppose it's a good thing then, because using other people (potentially mistyped) as benchmarks for one's type, sometimes based on insignificant correlations, can lead to a well of confusion.

    That's basically what I said.


    I'm just saying, pull up your anchor. You don't need it.
    What anchor?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    I proffered an argument of my own; I just used that as an ironic ad-on.
    So, now it was an ironic ad-on? Quit evading. You used my definition of Se and how I see it working in Se egos to "refute" my point about Bale, by simply saying that it applied to him.

    How about you provide your own ideas about how Se works? That might even shed light on your type.
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    Quote Originally Posted by strrrng View Post
    I did not say that an Se ego could never throw a temper tantrum; I said they would never go about expressing themselves in such a state in the way that Bale did (recall the point about bitchy beta ST girls?).
    And what particular way is that?

    How is that a straw man? I was referring to the facile critique you made of my reasoning.
    That wasn't the critique I made.

    Well, if that's the case, it wouldn't. But that's not to say that it couldn't, once you settled down on some other type. I suppose it's a good thing then, because using other people (potentially mistyped) as benchmarks for one's type, sometimes based on insignificant correlations, can lead to a well of confusion.
    Ok. So what's your point?


    What anchor?
    These external manifestations that people supposedly "must have" to be a certain type.

    So, now it was an ironic ad-on? Quit evading. You used my definition of Se and how I see it working in Se egos to "refute" my point about Bale, by simply saying that it applied to him.
    That wasn't even part of my point which you can see if you go back and read; I just tacked it on the end, more of a joke than anything.

    How about you provide your own ideas about how Se works? That might even shed light on your type.
    At this point I don't think I even care enough.
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    maybe he was on drugs

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    That's not improbable.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dolphin
    ...long ass post
    Wow, awesome. Thanks for that . I really like the stuff about the anchor points and the eating up of Nx and Sx counterparts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly
    Ok. So what's your point?
    That using the method to justify your own type, is faulty.

    These external manifestations that people supposedly "must have" to be a certain type.
    They aren't just "external manifestations," as in a cluster of traits that are attached to types. I refer to nuances in manners of expression across sections of people of specific types, that demonstrate a consistency, and thus can be used as beacons for typing.

    That wasn't even part of my point which you can see if you go back and read; I just tacked it on the end, more of a joke than anything.
    ahah... no one said it was your point, but nice deflection attempt. I mentioned it because it was a clear hole in your reasoning. You haven't once propounded ideas about how you see Se working, or how it really manifested in Bale's actions . You've just said that you think it's Se-related behavior, and that it "fits my definition," thus Bale was trying to reestablish a "resting state." I hope you're just pretending to miss this.
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    i at least think Nick is on drugs

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    Default okay, the lack of LSI examples are pathetic

    I did a search on the forum and didnt really find much to go on in terms of LSI's, I looked up Zooey Deschanel and I like her but it seems other people think she's ILE among other types; I guess I can't count her as a reliable source. I'm lost here guys, I have no clue what I'm looking for. All I have to go off is queen rania of jordan who seems LSI enough. Can ya help out?

    Preferably women examples(for obvious reasons)

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    Seconded!
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    fwiw, I don't think I agree with any of polikujm's typing's for LSI. Are they from Socionix?

    From what I've read about, and seen, from these women I'm pretty sure they're LSI

    Christina Hendricks


    Catherine-Zeta-Jones


    Monica Bellucci


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    Me too. I don't agree on any of your typings,
    except for maybe Christensen, who might be LII instead.
    All the others are Alpha SF!

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    Here are some more decent examples of LSIs.

















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    CMON GUYS. LOVE IS AT STAKE HERE.
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    It's been my observation that LSI women always look decades older than they actually are. I like to refer to them as "doppelgangers," in that they can be seen as acting like other, more 'personable' or 'bubbly' types. Reese Witherspoon is a great example of this.

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    LSI women aren't very attractive, maybe a few up there. But, the men are pretty damn hot.




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    @thePirate: awesome avatar!!!
    “Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”

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    You've done yourself a huge favor developmentally by mustering the balls to do something really fucking scary... in about the most vulnerable situation possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morcheeba View Post
    LSI women aren't very attractive, maybe a few up there. But, the men are pretty damn hot.




    Haha! I'd actually call most of them ESTj, except that "Chris" guy who doesn't look too familiar. And I'm not sure about Owen, but in most films I've seen him he seems Te and dynamic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by polikujm View Post
    Me too. I don't agree on any of your typings,
    except for maybe Christensen, who might be LII instead.
    All the others are Alpha SF!
    Based on photos? I didn't type them based on VI but what they say, mannerisms and their relationships
    If you have any info that would contradict said typings I would happily revoke them as LSI's

    Oh, my opinion is that Marie84 is LSI
    Hey, funny since that's the type I see you as, only an LSI would be this consumed, and confident, with instilling a forum hierarchy, smacks of PoLR dominance
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    the lack of facial similarity btwn the women in polikujm's posts makes me question whether he knows exactly what he's talking about...

    Megan Fox apparently is an ISTj. I hear ISTj's are known for sometimes having a 'scowl' expression...

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    Quote Originally Posted by xixi View Post
    the lack of facial similarity btwn the women in polikujm's posts makes me question whether he knows exactly what he's talking about...
    It's less facial similarity than it is the natural gaze and expressions they give, that all from one type can often have in common like a lot of these people do. The matter of "quadra" and "information element" is just as disputable here, as I believe all of those LSIs have similar behaviors and thought process, although they might not always fit with what is characterized in stereotypes. Stereotypes are typically misleading, and usually assume a lot more about how someone has been brought up, or what someone is interested in. Socionics goes far deeper into genetics, but don't get me wrong. Every piece of information is viable towards typing someone.

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    At least you got one right:

    Also possibly the hottest woman alive.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    idk what her type is but Christina Hendricks looks like dolphin.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Quote Originally Posted by xixi View Post
    the lack of facial similarity btwn the women in polikujm's posts makes me question whether he knows exactly what he's talking about...
    He doesn't. But he's getting there.

    Megan Fox apparently is an ISTj. I hear ISTj's are known for sometimes having a 'scowl' expression...
    SLE is much more likely, IMO, although LSI is not a ridiculous typing.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    sexy~

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    ...Just female LSIs..?

    Off the top of my head:

    * Kristen Stewart
    * Megan Fox
    * Lisa Marie Presley
    * Brooke Shields (Se subtype of LSI)
    * Yoko Ono (Ti subtype of LSI)

    Here are some males:
    * Jonathan Rhys Meyers (Se subtype)
    * Kevin Youkilis (Se subtype)
    * Mark Wahlberg
    * LaDainian Tomlinson (Ti subtype)
    * Hayden Christensen (Ti subtype)

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    Clive Owen is probably a good benchmark LSI male.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    and for the 50th time, Megan Fox is SLE.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diana View Post
    None of Marie's are right.
    I don't know who most of the people in Marie's list are, but Catherine Zeta-Jones as Se-LSI is one worth looking at... She's married to Ni-EIE Michael Douglas... I haven't watched many interviews with her, but from everything I know about her, the typing seems correct.

    polikujm--the 6th person down in your first list looks like she could be Fe-IEI... That's just on first glance though. I don't know who she is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by polikujm View Post
    Not sure, but seems noteworthy for some reason.


    SEI, perhaps EII.


    LSE.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Lisa Edelstein. She is an actress who is most notable for her role as hospital administrator Lisa Cuddy in the popular American TV drama House M.D.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
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    Quote Originally Posted by JuJu View Post
    I don't know who most of the people in Marie's list are, but Catherine Zeta-Jones as Se-LSI is one worth looking at... She's married to Ni-EIE Michael Douglas...
    I don't understand this typing of LSI.

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    Rachael McAdams does seem like some Ti/Fe rational type, but I would lean ESE over LSI.

    Katie Holmes is more likely some EJ, maybe EIE or ESE.

    Sarah Michelle Geller could indeed be an LSI.

    Courtney Cox could be LSI.

    Denise Richards looks like an extrovert, maybe SEE.

    Cameron Diaz is EIE-Fe.

    No clue about this Lisa Bib chick.

    Amy Smart is some Ti/Fe introvert, I suppose LSI could work but I would say SEI is more likely.

    Diane Kruger seems LSI.

    Jennifer Morrison is CLEARLY not LSI, has to be some Si/Ne ethical introvert.

    Lauren Bacall is probably LSI.

    Condoleezza Rice is probably LIE.

    Hillary Clinton is LSI.

    Bam's wife could be LSI I suppose.

    Lisa Edelstein is LSE.

    So you get 6/15 with reasonable certainty.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Quote Originally Posted by polikujm View Post
    I don't understand this typing of LSI.
    Yeah, I used to think she was LSI, but she is probably ESE.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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