Craig Ferguson

[Slacker]

He's made news because he's a late-night talk show host who says he won't make fun of Britney Spears because she's hurting and needs help. Is this Fi I see? What type do you think he is?








Here he is talking about why Britney Spears' latest crisis is off limits for him:


Here he is being interviewed about it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9906RB9dbI&NR

[FDG]

it's always the strongest that must be attacked, not the weakest

i'd say that it's a rather universal maxim around anybody with a decent amount of self-respect

[eunice]

I don't know who he is, but I really like his attitude. It's rare to see someone so emphatic and understanding in showbiz these days imo.

[aestrivex]

i have seen IEE thrown around before, but i know almost nothing about ferguson.

[kopernikus]

I think he's INFp. In the interview he gives off an "anti-fi" vibe if anything...

"I wasn't trying to take a stance against the other guys [poking fun at Britney], what I try to do here, increasingly, is just say what I want."

He's not appealing to any personal "rules of decency" at all, it seems he just doesn't want to be an ass.

[kopernikus]

Ok, but what I meant with personal rules was more something along the lines of subjectivly deduced but still universally valid moral rules, and not simply personal convictions.

I still think an fi-person would have emphasized the inherent "badness" in the actions of others if they felt strongly about the issue, something which Craig doesn't do in at least the interview clip... The other clip is loading extremely slowly for me atm, don't know if this happens to everyone or if its an issue with youtube only for those outside of the US? :S

[Mea]

Ok, but what I meant with personal rules was more something along the lines of subjectivly deduced but still universally valid moral rules, and not simply personal convictions.

I still think an fi-person would have emphasized the inherent "badness" in the actions of others if they felt strongly about the issue, something which Craig doesn't do in at least the interview clip... The other clip is loading extremely slowly for me atm, don't know if this happens to everyone or if its an issue with youtube only for those outside of the US? :S

not necessarily true.

[kopernikus]

I disagree that a fi-person would have emphasized how bad others were, speaking as one myself, but perhaps I'm fooling myself. Who knows.

Well I guess it's a tricky question. Just because Fi is prone to judgement doesn't mean it has to be condemning at the same time, even though it will probably often be percieved as such by many regardless of whether or not that was the intent.

[FDG]

I shiver at these distinctions! A Se Ne Ti Fi Fe Te whatever person would have emphasized whatever he wanted judging by his preferences...we cannot really be so reductionistic to try to look @ functions in every situations.

[kopernikus]

I shiver at these distinctions! A Se Ne Ti Fi Fe Te whatever person would have emphasized whatever he wanted judging by his preferences...we cannot really be so reductionistic to try to look @ functions in every situations.

Lol, I was just thinking about changing the word "judgement" to "moral judgement" or "value judgement" regarding other's actions but I guess your objection still holds... Anyways nobody's seeing what I'm getting at?

Whatever, Ferguson is still INFp

[Slacker]

Well Fi could be internal ethics (what he feels is right for him) and Fe could be external ethics and morality (what society as a whole thinks should be done) - which is kind of what I was thinking, and leaves me with Fi. He might not be an Fi type, he could be something else, but I don't personally see him as an INFp either way.

OK what makes me think maybe (just maybe) ENFp are a few things. First, I see Fi, but I agree with FDG that his stance on this isn't enough to go on. Another thing is that he's a storyteller type - he takes what he sees in the news and relates it to a story in his personal life, both personally empathizing through that and trying to help other people understand it in a different way through the connection. I see that as potentially an ENFp-ish thing to do. He also has a self-depreciating sense of humor, which could fit a lot of types but one of those types is ENFp. And he just kind of strikes me as one, which is completely unscientific but then so is everything else. So nothing specifically screams ENFp, but I think everything considered as a whole leads to a good possibility of ENFp. At least ENFp seems more likely to me than anything else.

[Zarf]

Hello, folks! I'm sorta new here (I've been lurking for a while, and didn't really have anything useful to add until now), and a friend of Krig the Viking and Currere.

Together, we have been conducting character studies using Craig Ferguson's talk show. We tend to believe that Craig is an ILE "clown" subtype that is mentioned on Wikisocion. We can confirm very similar behavioral patterns with one of Currere's close friends who is beyond a shadow of a doubt ILE Clown subtype.

To back up our claims of Ferguson's ILE-ness, I present to you a few videos from YouTube. Also, one of the interesting aspects of Craig's show is that his interviews are just random conversations. They aren't pre-scripted, they just wing it. This brings out the best in Craig, and a lot of his guests.

Here is an interview with Kristen Bell, whom we think is ESE. Being an ILE myself, I see a lot of parallels between their interaction and my interactions with ESEs. It's certainly an Activation.




Here is the unfortunate result of Craig interviewing Paris Hilton:



I think the general consensus is that she's ESI, Craig's Conflictor. Craig does a pretty good job of not freaking out and breaking her neck (I will admit, he is a stronger man than I), but the conversation never really gets off the ground. It just sits there. Perhaps that is a showing of her overall lack of intelligence, but I think it's because they couldn't find anything that interested them both.

In order to confirm the hypothesis that Craig is ILE, videos of an interview between him and an LII and an SEI should be produced. Unfortunately, I can't seem to find any. YouTube isn't the most Socionics-friendly website in the world, so you can't just go and search "Craig Ferguson interviews an SEI" and get anything relevant. Also, I'm terrible at remembering specific celebrities and their names, let alone their types. If you kind folks can offer any help, please do so!

[Krig the Viking]

I think Paris Hilton is probably SEE, actually, but your point still stands. Alpha NTs don't have good conversations with Gamma SFs.


Here's a similarly awkward interview between Ferguson and Rosie Perez, who I think is also SEE:

[silverchris9]

I think Paris Hilton is probably SEE, actually, but your point still stands.

Eww. I don't want Paris Hilton to be my semi-dual. Of course, I suppose I don't want Osama bin Laden to be my identical either, so w/e.

I totally buy Craig Ferguson as ILE. He definitely has that alpha-style humor (I think Andy Samburg is another example of that same style of random-funny. In fact, I think Conan is as well. ILEs make good comedians).

[Zarf]

I don't want Paris Hilton to be my semi-dual.

Haha, yeah, it is a shame we can't choose who is in our various groups. Lots of people out there think ****** was ILE (Obviously I disagree, but what can you do?).

If Rosie Perez and Paris Hilton are both SEE, I wonder what a genuine ESI would look like on the show.

[Marie84]

If Rosie Perez and Paris Hilton are both SEE, I wonder what a genuine ESI would look like on the show.

That would be something I'd love to see. It would probably look pretty uncomfortable

[Krig the Viking]

I like this topic. It's giving me an excuse to watch more Craig Ferguson.

I've always had the vague thought that Conan was IEE, but I've never really looked into it.

I could swear that I saw a clip of Ferguson interviewing an ESI recently, but now I can't remember who it was. She was blonde, and an actress, but I can't remember her name. It was very polite.

Anyway, here's a video of Ferguson interviewing someone JuJu typed as EIE, a typing with which I have no reason to disagree.

[Marie84]

I totally buy Craig Ferguson as ILE. He definitely has that alpha-style humor (I think Andy Samburg is another example of that same style of random-funny. In fact, I think Conan is as well. ILEs make good comedians).

I agree with the others but I'm pretty sure Conan is an LIE, which might further explains the whole fiasco with the likely Alphas Leno and Jeff Zucker

John Stewart is probably another ILE though

[Drommel]

I agree with the others but I'm pretty sure Conan is an LIE, which might further explains the whole fiasco with the likely Alphas Leno and Jeff Zucker

John Stewart is probably another ILE though

I saw an interview of Jeff Zucker on Charlie Rose. Didn't strike me as Alpha.
And Conan seems to need/manipulate/use Fe way too much to be a LIE.

[Hot Scalding Gayser]

I like Paris Hilton and I think me and her would get along.

I basically like to be constantly social with people. I'm a socialite in my own way. My fear of social skills mirrors my very good success with them.

[Psyhence]

I may be crucified for saying this, but i do support the SEE typing. (at least so far)
He seems Se driven, self-assured of his way, always palying with the boundaries of what can vs should vs needs to be said to get his way.
I recently watched a Stand Up comedy, where it came to my attention that Fe displays from him seem like Fe-mocking. not the point of the joke, but like a byproduct. Seems to me that he is focusing during his impressions to exhibit his view, rather the motivating others internal dynamics; if so this seems like overcompensation and not the goal.

Also it can be seen that defining his territory as a comedian is important in itself, not as in a process of differentiating himself or being highly unique, but rather for the sake of his will being manifested, he being able to act as he wishes without restrictions.

[Narc]

Correctly finding and typing late night show hosts for each quadra would be great, because assuming their performances maintain a bit of authenticity to their actual personality, celebrities could be cross-checked against each host to find a more accurate typing of them.

[ClownsandEntropy]

True, though sometimes I worry that too often there will be a specific type of late-night show host which is the standard of how you do things, or is how you must be if you're going to host a show and make that show famous against the many other show hosts out there. Because of that, maybe there aren't going to be show hosts of every single quadra.

[Sol]

Craig Ferguson - ENFJ

[blackburry]

<3 Craig Ferguson. he seems like a genuinely funny and nice person

<3 Stephen Colbert too.

[FoxOnStilts]

I'd love Craig to be an ILE because I love the man so much, but I can't really see it.

Have you read his autobiography at all? It's called "America on Purpose" (I criiiiied). It sheds more light on his actual personality (which is a lot like whats on the show, only he reveals more of how he thinks and reacts to things.) I can see ESE though. And I see why SEE has been mentioned, but I can't really see gamme SF.

[silke]

He doesn't feel ILE to me though it's a common typing for his brand of craziness.

Sp/so 7 and probably SEE.

[suedehead]

ILE-Ne.

[Narc]

I remember using intertype relations to type Ferguson and my initial belief of SEE eventually gave way to ILE. The biggest hint is how well he gets along with Billy Crystal.

[darya]

Ne base.

[Contra]

Either IEE or ILE. Ne can kind of mimic Fe sometimes so it's hard to say. I lean ILE as of right now, but he seems to get along somewhat well with Fi valuers.

[aisa]

Imo SEE e7 abusing his role Ne.

[wacey]

Conan is a better example of an ILE show host.

Ferguson is basically the guy who is always at the bar, knows EVERYONE, universally loved by everyone, everyone's friend, WANTS to be everyone's friend. He's that guy zooming around from the bar, to the pool tables, back to the smoking pit, on the dance floor, working the room. Getting more and more inappropriate as the night progresses. Complete democrat approach.

This is what Se blocked with Fi looks like imo.

[wacey]

This is interesting, Marion Cotillard and Ferguson together. She is either an EII, his supervisee, or an LII which makes them conflictors. I can't decide which. Either way, a tiny bit awkward? Ferguson and her swing and miss quite a bit.

FF: 16:39

[Jack Oliver Aaron]

I think ILE makes more sense for Ferguson. His talk shows are wacky, casual and light-hearted. There is a strong Alpha feel to his comedy. At the same time, his humour has an edgy side to it that can often be seen in the Fe-mobilising Fi-vulnerable combo. The Britney Spears video is him trying to keep things more pleasant and nice when someone is having a bad time. I wouldn't necessarily call it Fi, he has not particular friendship with Britney or is doing this out of a feel for her as a person. He's citing a general principle of not kicking people while they're down.

[myresearch]

XEE types don't make sense for him because he is using Fe back and forth, hence it is valued. I also can't see him as Se-base. ILE-D(Fe), rare subtype.

[myresearch]

Here is a scenery that made me thought that he is definitely Ne-dom:

https://youtu.be/y9zPhRNm3EA?t=1433