I met my dual!!

[ESTP]

Okay...I dont really know how to or where to begin. I met an ENFP...we spent about three hours together, and they were just AMAZING. The whole time, we drank coffee and talked and talked and talked. It was actually the first time we met. And, holy crap! We totally were just SOOO comfortable with each other, i was soooo natural it was unreal! I just cannot get over it! ahah I sound like a damned school girl, but it was just really really surprizing! Our conversation was ever flowing and it was at such ease...we totally flowed and it was, I dont know how to put it except natural, there was not one awkward moment, we were totally ourselves. I dont know what to say..excpet t was unrealistically refreshing. I feel...elated!

[UDP]

I would be very cautious so as to not let your mind think he's a dual when he's a not.... but ISTps should understand that pretty well.

Congratulations, for now.

[Topaz]

WHO IS THIS AND WHAT DID YOU DO WITH ISTP?

[ESTP]

WHO IS THIS AND WHAT DID YOU DO WITH ISTP?

I KNOW!!!!!!! AHHHH SCARY...but it was that good. I can't believe it either! Im kinda like "WTF MATE!?" But it's true...I must admit, sometimes on a forum like this, you gotta tell the truth even tho you wouldn't dare to the real people around you AHAH.


UDP...Im a she (istp) and he's the enfp!! and he's VERY enfp

[ESTP]

....can you believe i said "elated" and ....even worse i said feel ......................WTF MATE

[Exodus]

....can you believe i said "elated"

I actually did notice this. But I am honestly happy for you; I love seeing Dual relationships IRL. It makes me feel all tingly inside.

[UDP]

UDP...Im a she (istp) and he's the enfp!! and he's VERY enfp

Sorry -- I knew that honestly. It just didn't register when I saw ENFp.
Intuitional error, I assure you.

[schrödinger's cat]

Reminds me of when my ISTp and I started dating. God, it was SO perfect. Amazing. Rrrrowr.

[ESTP]

Reminds me of when my ISTp and I started dating. God, it was SO perfect. Amazing. Rrrrowr.

and what happend?

[Blaze]

Reminds me of when my ISTp and I started dating. God, it was SO perfect. Amazing. Rrrrowr.

and what happend?

yeah, really, what happened, pray tell? i think my main squeeze could be an isfp, but i'm not sure yet. it's pretty rrrrowr, too!

[leckysupport]

Reminds me of when my ISTp and I started dating. God, it was SO perfect. Amazing. Rrrrowr.

wb SC

[IcEPiCk]

the beautiful thing is that socionics allows you to be aware of whats occuring... dualization is a beautiful thing, I believe it can happen fairly quick when in contact!

[ESTP]

the beautiful thing is that socionics allows you to be aware of whats occuring... dualization is a beautiful thing, I believe it can happen fairly quick when in contact!

WTF MATE....thats all you go?? Ahhaha jokes buds..but keep it coming

[schrödinger's cat]

What happened? Umh - lots of rrrowr. After two weeks he said "we'd better get married before we completely lose our minds." That was his proposal. He's so romantic.

[meatburger]

HAHAHA Wicked Thread. I hope you haven't got him confused for some real player but its probablly unlikely.

Feel the power

[mikemex]

I told you, but you didn't belive me. When I'm in the company of an ISTp I can FEEL their happiness. Just today I was walking down the street and a friend of mine greet me, but with a big smile. And it's not one of those fake, polite smiles everyone uses, he seemed truly happy to see me.

I have visual/emotional memory and remember those gestures very well. I'm pretty in sync with ISTp as I've spent quite a bit of time with them...

[FDG]

I told you, but you didn't belive me. When I'm in the company of an ISTp I can FEEL their happiness. Just today I was walking down the street and a friend of mine greet me, but with a big smile. And it's not one of those fake, polite smiles everyone uses, he seemed truly happy to see me.

Yeah, happens to me with creative-Fes too. We kind of both smile just by looking at each other.

[ESTP]

HAHAHA Wicked Thread. I hope you haven't got him confused for some real player but its probablly unlikely.

Feel the power

Why would you say that?? AHHA I dont know man, he seems like a really wickid dood. We just met, but its insane, I can't wait to see him next. He's got such an addictive personality not to mention he's smokin' hot!

Like I said...even tho our time toegether adds up to an entire three hours (one time meeting) he just seemed to have brough out the most positive out of me, and just makes me want to be my best in general.

This is FUBARed

[meatburger]

Say what?

Wicked in my Vocabulary means a good thing. What i meant by mistaken him for some player, hopefully your not feeling something else rather than Dual Vibes, as i said it seems very unlikely though.

Im very happy for you dont forget to stop by here and tell us how its progressing. I would like to know

[ESTP]

Yeah I meant 'wickid' in a positive context!! But I with regards to your post...i meant why do you feel that I would think he's a player?? Although, even tho I have the hotts for him, I def. ...hum what word should i use...cautious?? Like, come on he's def a hottie no doubt, and he's got an awsome personality. But...Im still dubious. Very dubious, and I've already started to question whether or not I should bother with it or not!

[mikemex]

I watched LEON THE PROFESSIONAL very recently. That is the epitome of an ISTP. "I would not be a good lover" any excuse to stay alone, even though he doesnt want to be... Story of my life. Thats why I say when persuing an ISTP you have to try try and try again. We will find out if you are lying soon enough.

It happens to us ENFp too, so if you really like this guy, make an effort and don't let him go.

[meatburger]

Yeah I meant 'wickid' in a positive context!! But I with regards to your post...i meant why do you feel that I would think he's a player?? Although, even tho I have the hotts for him, I def. ...hum what word should i use...cautious?? Like, come on he's def a hottie no doubt, and he's got an awsome personality. But...Im still dubious. Very dubious, and I've already started to question whether or not I should bother with it or not!

Aww? Your a funky little chicken?

Why would you consider not bothering with it if its so good? Just go with the flow and see what happens. Nono dont get me wrong im not saying as an ENFp hes playing you. Im saying hopefully hes not some other smooth type who's pulling all your strings in the honeymoon period. If you are indeed an ISTp he might just fall in love with you. I could definately dedicate myself to one woman if i knew we worked. Dont be worried about him being hot because your hot too!!!!

Basically all ENFp's have good personalities and were all pretty hot too . Just joking

Have some fun with him play with him. You can both be the hunters and both be each others pray. Predator.. Rawwwr

[Dioklecian]

Reminds me of when my ISTp and I started dating. God, it was SO perfect. Amazing. Rrrrowr.

Why doesn't MY duality work like that?

[ESTP]

Sorry I havent posted in a while....but here's how the story goes...
I once invited him for coffee, and he said he would probably come but he had a lot of work he had to finish so he may not make it...and sure enough when we were suppose to get together, i got a message on my phone( I had it turned off so i missed the call) said he couldnt make it, that he'd take a rain check and that i should call him back......so I called him back and i left a message that i got his message and that he should call me when he's got some free time..so, i didnt hear from him i saw him online and messaged him twice...nothing, so i was like fuck it. Forget this noise.....so after another week, or so i was talkin to Meatburger on here...and he was sayin I should message him again, meatburger being an enfp...i was hesistant but listendto him but at first i was very miuch against it, i tried what two-three times to innitiate contact and it failed, so i was like FUCK IT...but he conviniced me and i messaged him online once more and we ened up talkin, he called me on the phone like 10 seconds after we started talkin online, and we made plans for last friday, and we got together and had a really good time...it was fucked up , really crazy shit cuz two my best friends who are a couple and duals...ISTP and ENFP...so there was 2 ISTPs and 2 ENFPs.....one of each sex...it was insane, we had the best night......anywho....im pretty conflicted with this sitaution, i dont know what to make of him or what to think of anything....i was excited by the duality factor, now im just like WTF....I sorta feel like an ant in an ant farm thats just been shaken up....i hate this

[Blaze]

ISTP that's the game, like it or not. Play it or not.

Seriously, though, I feel ya. I would think as an introvert, you don't like to take a lot of the initiative at first, either, that's probably why it's uncomfortable for you. Yet you are psyched by the duality and having the beginning of a great connection. Tough stuff for sure.

Good to have a backup plan. As in who else are you dating. This has a way of making ya feel safer. Kinda like mad money!

[FDG]

You just have to remember this insight about duality:

There's the dual temperament... and the dual temperament is all about the actual dual relation. The dual relation is one's complement, hence it's actually one of the hardest to understand, since the whole point is that the other person is doing things that you can't and in such a manner helping you out. But this non-understanding maintains the problem of lack of empathy. A complementary relation is not always equal. One tends to objectivize one's dual partner, use them. While being happy of them one does not always appreciate them enough. To understand this further, think about the following complementary relations from the point of view of empathy (complementation of roles really just meaning the easy assignment of roles, not that there's benefit to both partners): Predator - prey, master - slave, user - tool, customer - whore, addict - drug ...

It does sound cynical, but it isn't really. Just the way things work.

[UDP]

Reminds me of when my ISTp and I started dating. God, it was SO perfect. Amazing. Rrrrowr.

Why doesn't MY duality work like that?

Private Victory before Public Victory

[meatburger]

Hehe aww i just want those two to get together. More duals = a good thing i think.

Its pretty funny who does the hunting and who is the hunter.. With some ISTp girls i have met, i have felt that i could potentially chase them with them not returning my calls etc. I feel that ENFp's can sometimes be cautious with relationships. I will talk for myself but my i think my Intuition of possibilities wonders if i should tie myself down to someone - so i hold back. Once the relationships is established though i actually try extremely hard to keep it going. Sex is often a good way to break this barrier
ENFps also do like to chase. I think its nice to win the heart of a girl, charm her etc.

Interesting post FDG. I dont think Lack of Empathy would be 100% accurate with this relation. I like the idea of equal relations between girlfriend and boyfriend, husband and wife etc..

Duality to me is a very subtle thing. I think some people imagine its some huge awesome force.

[FDG]

Interesting post FDG. I dont think Lack of Empathy would be 100% accurate with this relation. I like the idea of equal relations between girlfriend and boyfriend, husband and wife etc..
.

Well, it is a consequence of lack of understanding. If you suppose that that you have trouble understanding the actions of the dual but the consequences of them are beneficial to you, then you cannot be emphatetic towards something you do not understand, right? Of course this does not imply the impossibility of understanding.

[UDP]

Hehe aww i just want those two to get together. More duals = a good thing i think.

I actually agree with you.
Hmm......
I wonder if such positive relationships would lead to a greater "mass functional production capacity".

[FDG]

Hehe aww i just want those two to get together. More duals = a good thing i think.

I actually agree with you.
Hmm......
I wonder if such positive relationships would lead to a greater "mass functional production capacity".

hahhaa it don't know man but it really sounds something like a big bad rock steamrolling down from a mountain

[mikemex]

What FDG says is not true.

You'll are missing the fact that we have two minds and not one: one is concious, the other unconcious. Both are equally strong.

Duals possess identical brain structures and thus produce identical results. The only thing that differentiates duals is which part is concious and which unconcious.

What makes our dual attractives is exactly that, empathy. To our dual, our behaviour somehow makes perfect sense and thus produces a feeling of being completelly understood. If there is a way to tell if you're among duals it is to notice the lack of negative criticism.

What duals do in a relationship is to make the concious mind aware of what the unconcious mind is thinking. Our dual's advice is always so accurate and useful because it matches perfectly our own thoughts.

So, it's important to understand that, when interacting with our dual, the unconcious mind is the one which leads. So each type becomes more like the other.

[FDG]

What FDG says is not true.

You'll are missing the fact that we have two minds and not one: one is concious, the other unconcious. Both are equally strong.

Duals possess identical brain structures and thus produce identical results.

Identical brain structure? How do you know that? Also, if they were to produce identical results, then the relationship would not be complementary: they have to produce complementary results.

What makes our dual attractives is exactly that, empathy. To our dual, our behaviour somehow makes perfect sense and thus produces a feeling of being completelly understood. If there is a way to tell if you're among duals it is to notice the lack of negative criticism.

Lack of negative criticism doesn't imply what you say: if the results are what we seek, there isn't going to be criticism no matter how they are carried out. To imply that this means that the behaviour makes perfect sense is something that is contradicted by the very same thread you are posting into, to be honest.

What duals do in a relationship is to make the concious mind aware of what the unconcious mind is thinking. Our dual's advice is always so accurate and useful because it matches perfectly our own thoughts.

I can agree with this. Even though, it cannot match "perfectly" the thoughts because, if that were true, again, there would be nothing to duality.

[mikemex]

Identical brain structure? How do you know that?

Socionics says it implicitely that duals have the same brain structures:

* We all have all the functions.
* We have two rings: one vital, one mental. Vital ring of our dual is our mental ring and viceversa.
* In duality "Partners suit each other like two halves of the same photo, making a complete picture."

Also, if they were to produce identical results, then the relationship would not be complementary: they have to produce complementary results.

It is complementary because only our concious mind is expressed directly. Nobody really knows what the unconcious mind thinks because it's mute. That's what makes duals to seem diametrally opposite (different expressed areas) while they are in fact identical in their internal operation.

To imply that this means that the behaviour makes perfect sense is something that is contradicted by the very same thread you are posting into, to be honest.

Two persons belonging to the same type are similar but not identical. Having identical brain structures doesn't mean having the same memories and experiences. After all, a person is much more than a type.

Getting along with our dual is not automatic and instantaneous as people around here seems to think.

[FDG]

Identical brain structure? How do you know that?

Socionics says it implicitely that duals have the same brain structures:

* We all have all the functions.
* We have two rings: one vital, one mental. Vital ring of our dual is our mental ring and viceversa.
* In duality "Partners suit each other like two halves of the same photo, making a complete picture."

Do you REALLY think that two people can have THE SAME brain structure??? On which level?? Every person has a brain, on that level the structure is identical. Also, remember that socionics DOES NOT DEAL with the biological part. It's something you've made up now, basically. Also, using a metaphor (the third part of your post) in order to make such an important point well, it's not the maxiumum of credibility.

It is complementary because only our concious mind is expressed directly. Nobody really knows what the unconcious mind thinks because it's mute.

So how do you claim to know that the mental ring is the same as our dual's?If nobody knows, then it follows that nobody knows: one of the two proposition has to be wrong.

That's what makes duals to seem diametrally opposite (different expressed areas) while they are in fact identical in their internal operation.

See above.

Two persons belonging to the same type are similar but not identical. Having identical brain structures doesn't mean having the same memories and experiences. After all, a person is much more than a type.

So on which level do people share the same identical structure? I've never seen a through research on functions being linked to a particular area of the brain, so claiming that the structure is the one of functional placement would not work.

[mikemex]

Also, using a metaphor (the third part of your post) in order to make such an important point well, it's not the maxiumum of credibility.

You're right on this one.

Do you REALLY think that two people can have THE SAME brain structure??? On which level?? Every person has a brain, on that level the structure is identical. Also, remember that socionics DOES NOT DEAL with the biological part. It's something you've made up now, basically.

Yes.

So how do you claim to know that the mental ring is the same as our dual's? If nobody knows, then it follows that nobody knows: one of the two proposition has to be wrong.

So on which level do people share the same identical structure? I've never seen a through research on functions being linked to a particular area of the brain, so claiming that the structure is the one of functional placement would not work.

You're pointing a false contradiction: I said that nobody knows what the unconcious mind thinks, but I never said that nobody knows how such mind is. To make it quick, socionics says that the rest of the functions are there, arranged in exactly the same way as our dual's concious mind.

However, I accept that it's not enough proof. A more convincing proof would be to derive such not-obvious conclusion from existing models. However, that's intuition's field of operation, so I see why it is not so evident for you as it is for me, so let me explain.

It all begins with the associativity rules of functions. It would be too long to explain right now why is it so, but an extroverted function can only be combined with an introverted one to form what I call a loop. This is the reason why our primary loop will deactivate some functions by just "running":

An IEE will invalidate Te and Fe through Ne and Si and Ni through Fi. Since Ne has precedence over Fi, then Ni and Si have precedence over Te and Fe .

If Si and Ni have precedence over Te and Fe, then the unconcious mind of an IEE is introverted; however, it could be either SLI, ILI, IEI or SEI.

To determine this, we are going to use the reciprocal of functions. The reciprocal of any function is one which is opposite in both dichotomies ([I/S, L/E] and [I/E]). For example, the reciprocal of Ne is Si. Reciprocal functions can't be used at the same time.

The strongest function of the vital ring of an IEE is Fe (demostrative). It is because it is the reciprocal of Ti (painful), the weakest function of the mental ring. The more a function is used in one ring, the less used it is on the other. However, they share the same precedence

It is worth mentioning that function strenght and function precedence are different concepts. An IEE mental ring will result in an SLI vital ring, but only when it comes to function precedence. When it comes to function strenght, the balance is mirrored compared to a real SLI.

[olduser]

we're all fucking hopeless.

[Elro]

You act like that's a bad thing. I bet hopeless, in her secret cave in the West Indies, is deeply insulted.

[ESTP]

SO just like everything else, this whole ENFP situation of mine has gone down the drain...let me enlighten you...We ended up going out with 2 friends of mine who are a couple (ISTp and ENFp) and we had a blast, but I got excessivly drunk and told him I hate him about eight times...but really the only reason I told him I hated him was because I liked him so much ahah...I didnt say it to him directly innitially I kept telling that to my friend, and my exact words were "I hate him...no, not really I hate him because I like him so much" and then eventaully as the night went on and I kept downing the alchy, I had apparently told him I hated him. The chick that was out with us, told me I said I had hated him. I was like oh no...So, I ended up bumping into him on the following monday and asked him if I had actually said that, and he was like..Only about eight times and he laughed...so i told him..i hope you didnt take me seriously, and anywho, after a few words exchanged, I told him that when he had the time (he's super busy) that he knew what to do (ie call me). He said, alright. That was over a week ago, almost a week and a half...that fuckin blows, but of course duality isnt guaranteed...but still, it blows!

[Blaze]

another case of alcohol effing things up