Examples of possible famous/celebrity SEEs-ESFps

[Expat]

Mark Antony , Roman politician of the late Republic ( or perhaps ISFp, especially if Caesar was ESTp rather than ENTj)





Justinian, Byzantine Emperor 527-565 (a hunch)





Henry IV, King of France 1589-1610 (or perhaps ESFj - he was in many ways similar to Clinton)





Charles X, King of France 1824-30




Henry VIII, King of England




Catherine the Great, Russian empress





Pedro IV of Portugal and I of Brazil (totally unknown to you, but this is the most obvious ESFp monarch of all)





Andrew Jackson, US president





Lyndon Johnson, US president





Silvio Berlusconi, Italian politician and former PM (or ESTp, but I doubt it)




Gerhard Schröder, former German chancellor




Lula da Silva, current President of Brazil




Jacques Chirac, French president (perhaps ESFj but I doubt it)




Sylvester Stallone




Idi Amin Dada, former president of Uganda




Elizabeth Taylor

[Expat]

Lech Walesa, former president of Poland






Mikhail Gorbachev, last president of the Soviet Union

[Expat]

Leonardo DiCaprio I think ESFp is more likely than ISFj which is the most common typing.

[FDG]

I agree on Di Caprio.

Isn't LJ more likely ESTp?

[Expat]

Isn't LJ more likely ESTp?

He could have been ESTp, too -- he was very clearly Se subtype EP in my opinion.

As for why ESFp rather than ESTp -- well, I have read a lot about him and what makes me decide on ESFp is the following:

John and Robert Kennedy - extremely close, even within the family, despite a large age gap
John Kennedy and Lyndon Johnson - got along fairly well, where LBJ thought JFK was "weak" and "girly", JFK thought LBJ "power-mad"
Lyndon Johnson and Robert Kennedy - mutual dislike and contempt, although LBJ seemed to be the one baffled as to why it was like that, and he felt intimidated by RFK, but not the other way around

I think that the most likely combination (which also fits their personalities individually) is:

JFK - ENFj
RFK - ISTj
LBJ - ESFp

ENFj - ISFj - ESTp is also possible (I can't see JFK as ENTj), but I think ISTj and ESFp for Bobby and Johnson makes the most sense overall and fits best what is known of them.

[machintruc]

Chirac can't be an extrovert, he lacks initiative...

[Expat]

Chirac can't be an extrovert, he lacks initiative...

Are you looking at him as a 70-year old at the end of his political career, or at his whole life and political career?

For typing you have also to look at what he did as a younger man; he was prime minister under Giscard in his 30s.

EDIT: obviously, I don't think that type changes with age. I think the issue with Chirac is that he didn't know what to do as president. But as Prime Minister under Mitterrand in 86-88, and as mayor of Paris, I think he showed a lot of initiative (for good or ill).

[Jimbean]

Those sound good. Do you reaserch these people in depth or just do some basic reading on them?

[Expat]

Those sound good. Do you reaserch these people in depth or just do some basic reading on them?

I don't research on them for the specific purpose of typing them -- these are all people I already had an impression about, either from reading about them, or watching them, or reading interviews, etc. In some cases, as in LBJ's or Schröder's, I think I know quite a lot about them; in others, as in DiCaprio, it's more an impression that has been built up (I didn't go out of my way to read about Leo in any depth).

In some cases - as Justinian's - there isn't that much information to begin with, but from the information I do have on him I think ESFp is likely but I can't really justify it in detail, so I say "a hunch".

I write those lists mainly for my own amusement, if anyone has a reason type them differently, I'm glad to hear it.

[Jimbean]

Those sound good. Do you reaserch these people in depth or just do some basic reading on them?

I don't research on them for the specific purpose of typing them -- these are all people I already had an impression about, either from reading about them, or watching them, or reading interviews, etc. In some cases, as in LBJ's or Schröder's, I think I know quite a lot about them; in others, as in DiCaprio, it's more an impression that has been built up (I didn't go out of my way to read about Leo in any depth).

In some cases - as Justinian's - there isn't that much information to begin with, but from the information I do have on him I think ESFp is likely but I can't really justify it in detail, so I say "a hunch".

I write those lists mainly for my own amusement, if anyone has a reason type them differently, I'm glad to hear it.

Do you think Andrew Jackson could be an ESTp?

[Expat]

Sure, I can see Andrew Jackson as ESTp, I just find ESFp more likely overall.

[Exodus]

Michael Merzenich, neurologist and entrepreneur

[Khamelion]

I always thought of DiCaprio as Gamma....and admired it...heh.

[discojoe]

Why ESFp for Leo instead of ISFj?

[eunice]

Richard Simmons, aerobics instructor

[Exodus]

Actually I think he's like a prototypical ESFj-Si.

[youtube]http://youtube.com/watch?v=3SCJLlSf21Y[/youtube]

[Expat]

Why ESFp for Leo instead of ISFj?

I don't really know much about him -- but when I've seen him in interviews, as in the The Aviator DVD, he seems more EP to me, also the way he walks and moves, as in Blood Diamond - that's not all acting imo.

Also, while I don't really follow gossip magazines, so I may be wrong, I seem to recall that he did not seem to mind extended and undefined, sort of on-off relationships even with "steady" girlfriends, which sounds more ESFp than ISFj to me.

That's it basically -- honestly I don't care much for him, although I admit that in some films he's good.

[Khamelion]

Why ESFp for Leo instead of ISFj?

I don't really know much about him -- but when I've seen him in interviews, as in the The Aviator DVD, he seems more EP to me, also the way he walks and moves, as in Blood Diamond - that's not all acting imo.

Actually its the way he moves and walks that made me think the opposite...it seems...uh..acted...heh.

Also, while I don't really follow gossip magazines, so I may be wrong, I seem to recall that he did not seem to mind extended and undefined, sort of on-off relationships even with "steady" girlfriends, which sounds more ESFp than ISFj to me.

Or an ISFj who started out as a good-looking movie star at a young age, and has dated super-models and can "knab" a woman of almost any level of attractivness.

[Not A Communist Shill]

Cat Deeley, maybe? I usually find it hard to hate people, but she's different .

[vague]

Cab Calloway; jazz singer

[astralsilky]

Cat Deeley, maybe? I usually find it hard to hate people, but she's different .

Just curious - what do you find so hateful about her? (Go easy.)

[XoX]

Formula One driver Nico Rosberg:

[Khamelion]

Actually I think he's like a prototypical ESFj-Si.

[youtube]http://youtube.com/watch?v=3SCJLlSf21Y[/youtube]

Omg it's Peter's mom in "man" form....

[XoX]

Omg it's Peter's mom in "man" form....

That's a man form? Anyways I think it is time to change your avatar. No matter how much I like it I can't concentrate anymore because of the guy making that face all the time when I read your posts, lol. He comes to my dreams too nowadays.

[astralsilky]

Formula One driver Nico Rosberg:

Definitely. Good eye! Now, re: Leondardo DiCaprio as ESFp, I doubt it. Maybe ENFj. Some ESFp men I can quickly identify - others, not. Still skeptical about folks like Sylvester Stallone being ESFp. I'm learning how to spot the women (totally new at that). I have found it helpful to associate ESFp's with some type of surreal "black panther" energy, for some reason. Come to think of it, Stallone could fit that after all.

So where are all the ESFps in this forum, anyway? Doesn't anyone find that strange? Don't tell me that only INTp "computer geeks" and tangential types are primarily interested in forums. That stereotype has it limitations in reality. I met - ok, ONE MBTI-testing ESFP in a (non-typology) forum before.

[astralsilky]

OK, time for a lil` more arts representation.

Perhaps the following females are ESFps:

Ellen Pompeo ??? (EDIT: or maybe ESFj; not positive on her type)



Cyndi Lauper



[s:a5743264d7]Stevie Nicks[/s:a5743264d7]

Kate Bush - EDIT: or ENFp, I agree that one is possible



Tina Turner



Gwen Stefani (or else ISFj)



EDIT - misc diversion removed

Maybe Boy George is ESFp.

Boy George and Peewee Herman - now there's duality for ya.

[astralsilky]

OK, time for a lil` more arts representation.

Perhaps the following females are ESFps:

Ellen Pompeo ??? (EDIT: or maybe ESFj; not positive on her type)



Cyndi Lauper



[s:a5743264d7]Stevie Nicks[/s:a5743264d7]

Kate Bush - EDIT: or ENFp, I agree that one is possible



Tina Turner



Gwen Stefani (or else ISFj)



EDIT - misc diversion removed

Maybe Boy George is ESFp.

Boy George and Peewee Herman - now there's duality for ya.

[Exodus]

OK, time for a lil` more arts representation.

Perhaps the following females are ESFps:

Ellen Pompeo

implied and I discussed her, and we agreed on ESFj.

[Exodus]

OK, time for a lil` more arts representation.

Perhaps the following females are ESFps:

Ellen Pompeo

implied and I discussed her, and we agreed on ESFj.

[implied]

kate bush seems ENFp to me.

[implied]

kate bush seems ENFp to me.

[aestrivex]

So where are all the ESFps in this forum, anyway? Doesn't anyone find that strange? Don't tell me that only INTp "computer geeks" and tangential types are primarily interested in forums. That stereotype has it limitations in reality.

take a close look at the nature of this forum. take a look at the proportion of intuitives to sensory types on this forum. what you see is hardly an accident.

[aestrivex]

So where are all the ESFps in this forum, anyway? Doesn't anyone find that strange? Don't tell me that only INTp "computer geeks" and tangential types are primarily interested in forums. That stereotype has it limitations in reality.

take a close look at the nature of this forum. take a look at the proportion of intuitives to sensory types on this forum. what you see is hardly an accident.

[astralsilky]

Ellen Pompeo

implied and I discussed her, and we agreed on ESFj.

On what basis?

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[astralsilky]

Ellen Pompeo

implied and I discussed her, and we agreed on ESFj.

On what basis?

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[astralsilky]

kate bush seems ENFp to me.

Why?

Her music seems to encapsulate many N themes. However, supposedly ESFps get at their Fi development through Ni. I wonder how often this leads to mistyping. (I have a hang-up about mistyping and testing, by the way. Have seen too many people test inaccurately, and am near insatiably curious about how test methods can be improved to reduce such errors.)

[astralsilky]

kate bush seems ENFp to me.

Why?

Her music seems to encapsulate many N themes. However, supposedly ESFps get at their Fi development through Ni. I wonder how often this leads to mistyping. (I have a hang-up about mistyping and testing, by the way. Have seen too many people test inaccurately, and am near insatiably curious about how test methods can be improved to reduce such errors.)

[implied]

kate bush seems ENFp to me.

Why?

Her music seems to encapsulate many N themes. However, supposedly ESFps get at their Fi development through Ni. I wonder how often this leads to mistyping. (I have a hang-up about mistyping and testing, by the way. Have seen too many people test inaccurately, and am near insatiably curious about how test methods can be improved to reduce such errors.)

it may lead to typing errors. i am mostly basing my typing on my knowledge of her music, i admit, which seems n-ish and very youthfully enthusiastic in a sort of bjorkish way. as far as v.i. goes, i guess could see it.

[implied]

kate bush seems ENFp to me.

Why?

Her music seems to encapsulate many N themes. However, supposedly ESFps get at their Fi development through Ni. I wonder how often this leads to mistyping. (I have a hang-up about mistyping and testing, by the way. Have seen too many people test inaccurately, and am near insatiably curious about how test methods can be improved to reduce such errors.)

it may lead to typing errors. i am mostly basing my typing on my knowledge of her music, i admit, which seems n-ish and very youthfully enthusiastic in a sort of bjorkish way. as far as v.i. goes, i guess could see it.

[astralsilky]

So where are all the ESFps in this forum, anyway? Doesn't anyone find that strange? Don't tell me that only INTp "computer geeks" and tangential types are primarily interested in forums. That stereotype has it limitations in reality.

take a close look at the nature of this forum. take a look at the proportion of intuitives to sensory types on this forum. what you see is hardly an accident.

That's obvious, but what you see isn't always what you get, eh?

I have a new theory - based on assorted readings, years of observations and experiences, and lots of reasons - that many ESFp Fi subtypes frequently test as INFx's. So I'm giving it a whirl.

There's no reason to believe that S types are so substantially less interested in online forums than N types, nor even theories, that they're virtually absent. Low numbers, I'd certainly expect. But to this degree? I've known S engineers, computer programmers, loungechair theologians, and such who were also very active in online forums, discussing information and theories according to their interests. And I've encountered a few S types who adamantly insist they're N's, and regularly talk socionics online.

Not to mention - there is no reason to believe that N's are profoundly more attracted to the internet than S's, anyway. For all its "N-ness," the internet strikes me as being pretty S, if you think about it ~ certainly high potential for stimulation and activity (depending on one's browsing style!), instant gratification (speed/variety), not to mention the increasing emphasis images. After all, we're talking about using it - not coding and configuring content management systems for it. And ESFps are always hungry for info per their hidden agenda, are they not? Aren't these types known for being mercurial in nature? One would think more of them would be interested in "learning who they really are" ... and search these forums more than what I'm seeing so far.

Anyway, it's just a surprise to visit the "Gamma Quadra" here and hardly encounter any ESFps. Yes, I'd assume there'd be a small percentage ... but ??? Then again, there don't seem to be many regular contributors anyway, so that's probably the primary reason. Still new and surveying the horizon here.