Female ENTps/ILE women

[Angel von Himmel]

Guys, I met a female ENTp for the first time ... it was weird, because when I was talking to her she would say the exact same thing I would say right before I say them, and she has the same clueless blank stare that I give off and other ENTps give off ... it was freaking weird that there is someone out there that thinks the exact same way that I do, and also is female at that!

Anyways, I am thinking about seeing if she will do some stuff with me sometime. I am not sure how it would feel to actually have someone around that sees everything the same exact way, but it would be interesting.

Anyways ... one question for anyone out there who wants to answer ... is it wise to try to start anything with an identical? I hear it could be boring..

Anyone have any advice on how to deal with female identicals?

[discojoe]

You know what kind of stuff you should do? Sexual stuff like touching each other LOLOLOLOL.

[Forest-Dragon]

Well, speaking from the point of view of a (proposedly) ENTP female myself, I have noticed that females like me are fairly rare. I am surrounded by a predominantly female world and most of them are feeling-judgers (with a couple of thinking judgers, most of them sensors). I wonder whether the T-F preference in males/females is genetic or socially conditioned.

[Slava]

I had a woman professor once that was my type... we had nothing to speak about and we strategically exchanged logical statements basically until our conversation looped and it became very akward. lol

[MysticSonic]

The benefits of identical relationships are best displayed in academia; if one is confused about a particular concept, chances are if an identical type would explain it to you, you would understand the concept rather quickly. I myself have experienced such an academic relationship with a friend of mine, in which we can communicate entire concepts merely by stating a few words, so as long as you both understand the concepts at hand.

If one wants to work on a group project and one's concern is about potential conflict from others, it would be most wise to choose an socionicly identical individual.

[Slava]

I wish I had an ENTp professor throughout my accademic career, whenever they teach class I like find it uncomfortably east to learn and it feel wrong, like him and I area breaking rules or something... but when an INTp is teaching i can't follow and I can't speak to them to ask questions because they get all angry at me for using Ne and Ti when I speak.

[MysticSonic]

Your reaction from INTp teachers in the area of the academics is precisely why I despise all ENTj teachers, and ESTj teachers, that I come across.

[Slava]

I see them as walls in my accademic career, they are like holes in the ground that i have to walk around, and because i dont know who i will have i occasionally fall into those holes, and they make my year hellish.

[IcEPiCk]

in my experience identical relationships will fail unless you have common cultural background and interests as a foundation. You also need one of the identicals to fill in the gap that the dual does... In my ISTP-ISTP experience one becomes slightly more feeling in a good way though.

It can be boring quick, but I dont ENTPs would get as bored since they have a love for conversation!

Best of luck RMCNEW!

later

[Angel von Himmel]

Guys, we both attend the same church of the same denomination, we talk exactly the same ... I am not sure about whether we have common hobbies yet, because I do not know her very well ... But, I am changing that. I am really interested in getting to know her better.

By the way, this girl is flipping hot ... and guys do not seem to do much with her because they do not understand that she is a thinking type and do not understand how a woman can have such a strong ENTp stare. I think the fact that she is a thinker type and has a strong stare turns other guys off, and she is often vauge and emotionless looking like alot of ENTps.

I am honestly fascinated by her, we are so much alike ... I have not been turned on to a woman like this in a long long time, seriously.

[Creepy-Wackotic]

I don't know how Identicals would really work in the dating arena, but as friends/aquintances, they can be loads of fun. You can talk to your identical and they won't readily condemn you for certain behaviours natural to you. I've experienced lots of laughs with others of the same type as myself. It's really easy to get along with identicals.

The only problem is such relations can get really boring really quickly. Like, I talked online and e-mailed my friend who I hadn't seen/talked to in months(another INFp) and we had such a good time chatting at first, cracking each other up with our bizarre INFp humor. We were giving each other so much info to the point where we ran out of new subject matter resulting in us drifting apart again as conversation became rather forced. I still talk with her time to time, but it's important not to overdue these types of relations. Don't be afraid to keep things slow because while you may be tempted to rush into the fun of seeing with identical eyes, you may find yourselves at a dead end too fast. Going slow would mean conserving conversation/activity rations and also giving time to get some more in the mean time. Having connected interests really helps on this, as someone said...big time.

That's just from my experience anyways.

[Slava]

I'm going to make it a goal to hook up with an identical just to see how that works. Wish me luck .

[Jimbean]

some unasked for advice: be honest, be realistic. you probably already know that but I'm just putting that out there.

[UDP]

I am trying to give my ISFp friend, who is sucking really bad at finding good relationships, an idea of what to look for. We had a good conversation about why S and N types work well together, basically. He doesn't know socionics, but some things are clicking.

So yeah, any clues or tips about what to look for, or just female celebrities that are good representatives of this type.
Thanks

[xyz]

Wait, why do S and N types work well together

[XoX]

Wait, why do S and N types work well together

Apparently because socionics says so.

[FDG]

[Blaze]

dag.

[xyz]

This topic is making less and less sense =]

[Ezra]

Perfect for your friend, UDP.

[XoX]

This topic is making less and less sense =]

I think you are missing something essential here...

[xyz]

I think you're missing the essentialness of my joke doll face =]

[XoX]

I think you're missing the essentialness of my joke doll face =]

Apparently...

[Ms. Kensington]

i think the top left ENTp female on socioniko.net looks very ENTp.. reminds me of anamericancer too.

[UDP]

You guys are not very good at knowing ENTp females apparently.
I'm not either.

[xyz]

All the MALE ENTps i know are pretty fun fellows... don't know any girls though.

[Ms. Kensington]

hm actually i know a female ENTp at my company. She's got some kind of a vice presidential role in one of our divisions.. some technical data management or something.. anyway I meet her a few times a year, and from the first 10 minutes or so of her presentation I thought she was ENTp. I was attracted to her, wanted to engage in verbal interaction with her, and would probably been attracted romantically if she had been a guy. Anyway, she was not very feminine but not too masculine either. She was no nonsense and i could see her getting along with poeople that i could see a male entp getting along with.. someone who doesn't really slam down her ideas, laughs at her jokes, and doesn't suggest conflicting ideas when shes in the middle of brainstorming her own. Yeah, i could see her appreciating an SEI that was calm and listened, and was around until she noticed him and was like, "i love you".

yeah basically do your own thing, create a fun light atmosphere and dont annoy the entp and she'll like you.

[Blaze]

yeah basically do your own thing, create a fun light atmosphere and dont annoy the entp and she'll like you.

basically. yep. def at work. can't stand people who hafta have their hands held.

[machintruc]

Suspected ENTP.

Some SLI girls may appear ILE-like.

[krieger]

Lost's Alex:

http://images.google.nl/images?clien...-8&sa=N&tab=wi

Very likely the actor is aswell considering Lost's roles are largely adjusted to the people that play them...

[Gilly]

Sara Silverman

[Jimbean]

She is an ENFj!

[Flat Footed Frog]

Hey everyone,

I'm just curious to know more about ENTp females. Are they really that rare in society, do people generally find them quite cold, or cuddly once in their close circle of friends and any other little titbits you can think of. Have been trying to research them on google and learn more abotu them. But its extremely hard to find much written, most is written from a general perspective which as its a 'T' type is mainly concentrated on males of this type. If anyone has had much experience with ENTp females i'd love to hear about it. Also what are their main enneagram types if you happen to know or are one yourself.

Thanks!
Flat Footed Frog

[Mattie]

I'm not completely sure about the validity of Tx vs Fx IEs being gendered, but it's too hard not too see them that way. My best guess is to look at the super-id IEs. For example, with NeTi women, I notice more of a general focus on their mobilizing function , and therefore this becomes a large factor in trying to type them as well as help create insight for interpersonal relations. I believe one time Vero and I had a discussion about something like this, and I think she said sometimes she felt she was an type, but my perspective is that Tx women will lean on whatever Fx IE they value, and it will show itself through the function placement its in. I think there really is an equal spread of types, you tend to just notice and surround yourself with others with the same values, and there are many people you don't notice otherwise each day. So, if you think Tx & Fx IEs are gendered, keep in mind the presence of the appropriate super-id function.

[Aiss]

Out of curiosity: why do you ask whether they're "really that rare"? Like, where does the idea that they're rare come from?

[Mattie]

Out of curiosity: why do you ask whether they're "really that rare"? Like, where does the idea that they're rare come from?

It's an MBTI thing, since MBTI types have statistics on the population diversity of MBTI types, I believe ESTJ are the most popular and INTJ are the least, and then they break it down to how much % of the population are male/female types, typically T types being male and F types being female. So ENTP women would be on the rarer side of things, according to MBTI. Sometimes people carry this over to Socionics, which isn't relevant.

[Aiss]

It's an MBTI thing, since MBTI types have statistics on the population diversity of MBTI types, I believe ESTJ are the most popular and INTJ are the least, and then they break it down to how much % of the population are male/female types, typically T types being male and F types being female. So ENTP women would be on the rarer side of things, according to MBTI. Sometimes people carry this over to Socionics, which isn't relevant.

... which is exactly why I was asking. I remember FFF mentioning something else earlier which also sounded like she used MBTI-related sites. I wanted to know the source to make sure if it was so, because mixing them could have been the reason for difficulties in typing.

And supposedly most common are male ISTJs and female ISFJs, most rare - male INFJs (something below 1%).

[Creepy-male]

I'm fairly sure I'm good friends with one ILE/ENTp girl. Well, I mean, I know we're good friends, but I'm sure members on this forum would not be unwilling to contest that typing.

At any rate, some observations about her:

Initially was kind of formal, mostly sticking to talking about Socionics, answering questions I had and helping me understand the theory better. Basically cheery, affectionate, and nice... but she's nice to everyone (self-report, but I could see it). Also related is that we've been interacting in pretty much exactly the same way despite getting closer/becoming better friends.

In a nutshell, she seems to treat people around the same regardless of how close they are. If you know the functions, I think that's manifestly Fi-PoLR.

Enneatype is 3w4, I think. Her self-typing, and I agree with it. She's very focused on achievement and presentation, and seems really deeply competitive with other females. I think this is a her thing, as opposed to an ILE thing, though.

As for rarity, I think it's down to where you look. I think ILEs in general will tend to gravitate to academia. She seems to be working really hard to fight her way into higher education. By comparison, I think you'd be harder-pressed to find an ILE janitor.

Hope this helps!

[angelalala]

I'm an ENTp female so I just thought I'd share my 2bits

I agree with Brian, Entp's (male or female) seem to act them same with people regardless of how well they know them.

But, when it comes to someone I am dating... I am definitely cuddly and affectionate! It's actually one of few things about me which changes depending on who I am around. In public I don't like being cuddly because it holds me back from interacting with other people AND it can make others feel excluded. Were you looking for some other type of info?

The ENTp female does seem like a rarity. Being a 'T' type and female doesn't always fly. I've been working on my 'F' type tons and take on more of an enFp attitude in social circles with new people. Perhaps there are some 'seeming-ENFPs' who are actually ENTPs!

Like Brian said, we love academia. We are like flies to water when it comes to new info

Anywho, hope that helps. Happy to answer any other questions!

[Blaze]

Hey everyone,

I'm just curious to know more about ENTp females. Are they really that rare in society, do people generally find them quite cold, or cuddly once in their close circle of friends and any other little titbits you can think of. Have been trying to research them on google and learn more abotu them. But its extremely hard to find much written, most is written from a general perspective which as its a 'T' type is mainly concentrated on males of this type. If anyone has had much experience with ENTp females i'd love to hear about it. Also what are their main enneagram types if you happen to know or are one yourself.

Thanks!
Flat Footed Frog

yes i think what looktothesky wrote about T vs F is right. there's a lot of pressure for women to be relationally skilled and the best that ILE can do is use their 6th function, Fe, for that. but since there's all that pressure, a lot of female ILE's can be mistyped for failure to recognize that the Fe is coming from the 6th not the first or second function. i think there's plenty of us out there.

what i can comment on is the idea of non standard reasoning and innovative ideas that can seem to be on the fringe. ILE is usually not mainstream, more at the outskirts or even the leading edge so they are not in the middle of the popular crowd. so if you are in the middle of the popular crowd it will be hard to find them there. they would mainly be in a niche group at the edge or on their own at the edge.

welcome to 16t! nice to have another one here!