Stephen King
From reading several of his books, including his insightful autobiography/guide-to-writing "On Writing," I get the distinct "mature" ENTp vibe from him. He seems to get his ideas from a complex stream of intuition, which he then enriches through a childlike feeling of wonder and glee, things that I associate with your typical ENTp.
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Re: Stephen King. ENTp.
I'm a big fan of him.
He often creates self projective characters and most of good men are concentrated in xSTx and INTx. Most heros are either ISTj or INTp (no matter good or bad, but most INTp heros are coward but good); therefore he might ISTj or INTp.
Heh, I just realized that he kind of looks like my girlfriend's dad...who is INTp.
Binary or dichotomous systems, although regulated by a principle, are among the most artificial arrangements that have ever been invented. -- William Swainson, A Treatise on the Geography and Classification of Animals (1835)
Yeah I take it back. After further consideration I concur that he is in fact INTp. I guess there are some similarities between INTP and ENTP that were not so evident to be before.
Yeah, definitely INFp. Not just in the overall tone and characterizations; the Te PoLR is clear in the way he ends every book with deus ex machina, and in how he seems to not give a shit about giving rational explanations (within the context of his books) for anything that happens in his stories.
A typical event in a SK story is that some weird, trippy bullshit happens, and afterward all of his characters "just know" what it all means, like they're all above having to explain it.
The characterization of Roland Deschain in the Dark Tower books is a good example of a Beta view of Delta. Roland is SLI, and it is clear that everyone in the story just doesn't get him at all, yet they view him as a kind of superhuman madman. The way he is "always serious" and "has no sense of humor," and the way he goes from being quiet and contemplative to fast and violent without any external emotional indicators is viewed by everyone in the story as scary and unpredictable. And when Roland bonds with other characters, it's usually when one of the Betas in the story gets Roland to crack a smile or laugh.
Another element of Beta observing Gamma is the way the entire story views Roland as inherently flawed in his obsessive quest to find the Dark Tower. Basically, Roland stubbornly pursues the Tower while completely ignoring the way this makes him look to his friends and companions. To him, the Tower comes before everything else--and with good reason--but he never really defends himself; he literally just walks toward the Tower for decades, refusing to listen to the objections of any other person, and oblivious to how bizarre this behavior seems to everyone (i.e., to Fe types).
Also, all of the "evidence" that Roland is making a wrong decision in pursuing the Tower is in the form of wishy-washy Ni visions or prophecies, which Roland respects, but ultimately regards as being less important than his Te-motivated quest (find the Tower, save the Universe).
So King is basically saying that Roland's PoLR is his greatest weakness and that Te is bad. lol.
Hmm. I don't see anything particularly Ni about his story-telling. He seems to have more of an Si and definitely Fe related humor going about things. Basically the stuff you're backing up Ni dominant with, I can't really picture as relevant to a typing. He is a strange and creepy writer obviously, but whado I know? I think a good writer can give any type a high, give them what they like. It's a matter of taste, not type. He's a professional scary story teller, not a professional INFp.
Where do you get Si from King? I don't see it at all.Originally Posted by polikujm
I used to think to consider him a strange and creepy writer too (going off of only starting a few of his books). Then my brother got me all of the Dark Tower for Xmas a year ago and my opinion changed once I got into them. He's one of the best story tellers that I've ever read, a master at playing with your expectations for where the story is going to go and really sucking you into the story. Also, there's a huge amount of heart (and it's well done at that) going on his stories (at least there is in the Dark Tower series and in The Stand).
DJ's typing of Roland as ISTp (I thought ESTj, but whatever, Delta ST at any rate) is interesting and fits with what King has said about how feels about that character (scared of him and uncomfortable). The parts in The Dark Tower where Roland confronts Stephen King are maybe a good illustration of Delta ST pragmatism smacking down an INFp's dreamy pussyness.
Seems EIE in the interview.
His books are also Fe + Ni combo.
Edit: How is he not EJ?? And lmao at the ILI typings.
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bump. I see this being discussed in a blog post from @Cassandra right now and I just finished one of his books, so its on my mind. also ive seen people who's typings I generally could vouch for type him ESE and it sticks in my damn craw. theres very little environmental continuity or sensory detail in his novels & its all allusions to the indescribable collective unconscious kind of shit and psyche diving.
The only types I have ever considered for him were IEI and ILI.
Nowadays I find ILI much more likely.
When you watch the very beginning of the first video the OP has posted, he states a statistical fact relevant to the audience (and embeds it into how someone's future could turn out).
That is typical(Creative) behaviour. An IEI wouldn't really do that, being Te PoLR.
^ This is just one example that makes me believe he is rather ILI.
LII?
That he comes onto a late night talk show dressed in worn jeans and a tshirt says something relevent. I can't be sure what, it just does.
Maybe not valuing Fe?
Other than that, a lot of rich people do that kind of thing to prove they are so rich they don't need to dress up to prove it.
At last, it could be an SO blindspot thing.
P.S: Interesting, I wouldn't have expected you to arrive at LII.
LIIs may dress sloppily, but mostly because they don't know better, not because they like the style or don't care about what others think of it.
Maybe not valuing Fe?
Other than that, a lot of rich people do that kind of thing to prove they are so rich they don't need to dress up to prove it.
At last, it could be an SO blindspot thing.
Maybe, maybe not. Does wearing something nice mean you are a rich person? It looks like he would wear this sort of out fit every single day.
Maybe this is just my SO instinct bias, but clothing is often a signifier of social status.
Wealthy people usually wear more expensive clothing than the middle class and below. You can tell by the higher quality material, custom-tailouring, brands, and "status symbols" like a Rolex.
I've noticed that the very rich often do not try to showcase their wealth through their clothing too much. Perhaps they perceive it to be an overkill.
They may even dress plainly, or simply in a suit.
Sure. But a grey work tshirt and jeans for a late night talk show? I doubt he was consciously trying to look unpretentious and not wealthy. It looks like he just hadn't thought about it at all. I'm not drawing conclusions, just pointing out its probably a relevent fact about his personality.
Bingo.
Hm, to me it doesn't look like Stephen King tried to look appropriately dressed and unfortunately missed the mark. He just didn't care and dressed the way he wants to.
With an LII, you'll notice they try to be dressed for the occasion, but somehow may awkwardly fail at it without their awareness.
Basically, I'd argue that in this particular situation an LII would have cared, and Stephen King doesn't seem like he did.
I see the exact opposite to your conclusion. And I disagree with your statement regarding LIIs.
My ESI mom enjoys his writing(Meanwhile, I can't make it through a single page and can't handle all that suspense)
why can't you make it through a page? just curious.My ESI mom enjoys his writing
my IEI mom loved him and my IEI boyfriend hates him. he's a popular author, so I wouldn't really expect his fans to be true to intertype.
I don't have any particular type for him in mind, except that Ni polr seems like an inside joke. I'd be more receptive to him being Fe valuing but I can't put my finger on why (his writing is kinda wet, I guess)? but I'm at work and haven't seen him on video.
Why should it be surprising I would arrive at a LII typing?
I'm far too impatient. The writing is drawn out, another point for high Ni.
Hm, I perceived it as more factual and dry but there we go, subjective views
Could be in TiNe not Ni. Which hits your impatience.I'm far too impatient. The writing is drawn out, another point for high Ni.
Hm, I perceived it as more factual and dry but there we go, subjective views
Seriously my favorite author! Type awesome. NiSe axis for sure.
A few books gives away his typing, one in particular that is deeply revealing is Lisey's Story. His atmospheric, Fe storytelling is pretty apparent.
some quotes from him on writing:
“So where do the ideas—the salable ideas—come from? They come from my nightmares. Not the night-time variety, as a rule, but the ones that hide just beyond the doorway that separates the conscious from the unconscious.”
“At parties, people usually approach the writer of horror fiction with a mixture of wonder and trepidation. … Most of us, you see, look and seem (and ARE) perfectly ordinary. We don’t drown houseguests in the bathtub, torture the children, or sacrifice the cat at midnight inside of a pentagram. There are no locked closets or screams from the cellar. Robert Bloch, author of Psycho, looks like a moderately successful used car salesman. Ray Bradbury bears an uncomfortable resemblance to Charles M. Shulz, creator of Peanuts.”
“When your story is ready for rewrite, cut it to the bone. Get rid of every ounce of excess fat. This is going to hurt; revising a story down to the bare essentials is always a little like murdering children, but it must be done.”
“Making people believe the unbelievable is no trick; it’s work. … Belief and reader absorption come in the details: An overturned tricycle in the gutter of an abandoned neighborhood can stand for everything. Or a broken billboard. Or weeds growing in the cracks of a library’s steps. Of course, none of this means a lot without characters the reader cares about (and sometimes characters—‘bad guys’—the reader is rooting against).”
“The writer must have a good imagination to begin with, but the imagination has to be muscular, which means it must be exercised in a disciplined way, day in and day out, by writing, failing, succeeding and revising.”
“The battle between good and evil is endlessly fascinating because we are participants every day.”
“Writers must be fair and remember even bad guys (most of them, anyway) see themselves as good—they are the heroes of their own lives. Giving them a fair chance as characters can create some interesting shades of gray—and shades of gray are also a part of life.”
"I have no particular spiritual insights, but I think every writer who does this on a daily basis has a ‘back channel’ to the subconscious that can be accessed pretty easily. Mine is wide and deep. I never write with an ax to grind, but I sense strongly that this world is a thin place indeed, simply a veil over a brighter and more amazing truth. To me, every ant, cloud and star seems to proclaim that there is more to existence than we know. I suppose that sounds like naturism and pantheism, and to some degree it is, but I also believe in a power greater than myself. If I die and that turns out to be wrong, there’s this advantage: I’ll never know.”
"Who gave you the idea I hate most of the film adaptations? There are at least eight really good ones, and the only one I can remember hating was [Stanley] Kubrick’s cold adaptation of The Shining; spending three hours watching an ant farm would be more emotionally uplifting.” (lol @Cassandra)
"There’s no outline, nothing like that. That freezes it, it takes what should be a liquid, plastic, malleable thing to me and turns it into something else. Hey, to me it’s the difference between going to a canvas and painting a picture and going out and buying a Craftsmaster paint-by-the-numbers kit.”
“The worst advice? ‘Don’t listen to the critics.’ I think that you really ought to listen to the critics, because sometimes they’re telling you something is broken that you can fix."
"There's nothing really very magical about it. … I think the best trick is experience.”
Are these resonating with you as activator?
Fair enough it was a dumb question anyway.
I'm going to make a somewhat unorthodox typing: SLE
Just compare his mannerisms to Donald Trump.
Looks like a SLE math professor that lectured some courses. (His practice group exercises were pretty much guaranteed SLE stuff. )
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Definitely Delta, leaning EII
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sorry I didnt realize there was another thread open on him!
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ILI - Creative
The decisive thing is not the reality of the object, but the reality of the subjective factor, i.e. the primordial images, which in their totality represent a psychic mirror-world. It is a mirror, however, with the peculiar capacity of representing the present contents of consciousness not in their known and customary form but in a certain sense sub specie aeternitatis, somewhat as a million-year old consciousness might see them.
(Jung on Si)
ILI-Te is pretty obvious even just from the non-fiction he’s wrote (like his how-to book on writing that I read in a class where he gave away a lot of his personality).
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Ahshaha yeah true, they come with the pervy glasses included tho... well he def has the ILI look
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hahaha. ha ha. ha.