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    Default Warren Buffett

    Is everybody in agreement that he is INTP?








    This does not seem very INTP to me:






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    I don't look to jump over 7-foot bars: I look around for 1-foot bars that I can step over.

    I never attempt to make money on the stock market. I buy on the assumption that they could close the market the next day and not reopen it for five years.

    If a business does well, the stock eventually follows.

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    Of the billionaires I have known, money just brings out the basic traits in them. If they were jerks before they had money, they are simply jerks with a billion dollars.

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    We simply attempt to be fearful when others are greedy and to be greedy only when others are fearful.

    When a management with a reputation for brilliance tackles a business with a reputation for bad economics, it is the reputation of the business that remains intact.

    Why not invest your assets in the companies you really like? As Mae West said, "Too much of a good thing can be wonderful".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dioklecian
    This does not seem very INTP to me:
    What's the point here? INTps don't play music? ... or don't like country music?
    Rick has mentioned on his site the importance of typing people based on their normal behavior, and not giving too much attention to occasional hobbies. In Warren Buffett's case, we know that he's not someone whose primary identity is a country music singer but who has to take a day job to make ends meet.

    I know of ENTjs who like to sometimes relax by doing arts-and-crafts sorts of things, or cooking. Does that make them ISFps?

    In this video, he actually seems rather stiff, which would support Fe-PoLR. But even if he were an accomplished, expressive musician, that still wouldn't mean that he couldn't be INTp.

    I suspect that perhaps your notion of the types is a bit restrictive, with each type focusing on its ego-block functions all the time, and about equally for the accepting and creating one? If you think in terms of a greater difference between the roles of the accepting and creative functions, and also a much wider use of all the functions, I think you'll end up with typings that more closely resemble other people's.

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    Default Warren Buffet

    Richest man in the world.

    Investor.

    What type is he?

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    ILI
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    ILI
    Safe bet.

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    Either ILI or LII

    His stuff is extremely hard for me to read, so I lean towards ILI
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    Delta ST seems like.

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    Default Warren Buffet and Bill Gates

    General consensus used to be that this was a gamma couple.

    But it seems that it might have been wrong?

    What are there types according to you.

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    Yes, I agree that they're both gamma.

    What would be the alternate typings then?

    Mirror pairs with Bill Gates = ENTj and Warren Buffet = INTp.

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    some actually believe bill is ILE. I don't know, does anyone else think so too?
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    Well, I type Bill Gates as ENTj seeing as how Warren Buffet is a pretty clear cut INTp and they have a fantastic friendship from what I've read.

    I suppose he could be ENTp, but from a socionics standpoint, ENTj makes more sense IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterNi View Post
    What would be the alternate typings then?
    Summer1an: Buffet = SLI
    Ashton: Buffet = SLI Gates = ILE
    Poli: Buffet = SLI Gates = ILE

    I personally think Buffet is ILI and Gates LIE, same as on socionics.us

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarno View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by MisterNi View Post
    What would be the alternate typings then?
    Summer1an: Buffet = SLI
    Ashton: Buffet = SLI Gates = ILE
    Poli: Buffet = SLI Gates = ILE

    I personally think Buffet is ILI and Gates LIE, same as on socionics.us
    Buffet being SLI is possible I suppose. It would fit with Mr Buffet's famously austere lifestyle and semi-duality with Bill Gates if he really is ILE.

    Something to consider nonetheless.

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    I'm not sure about his type, but I'm very interested in finding out. MBTI-wise, he's mostly considered ISTJ, with some considering INTP and INTJ. However, MBTI's definition of Si is unreliable since it conflates it with Te and Fi in the Jungian sense. It's also almost entirely about the past, which doesn't fit with the nature of "sensing". I've become more accepting of it being about the past (since sensing can't reach the future), but I don't think the definition should be centred around tradition, memory, etc.

    That being said, his long-term focus indicates Ni valuing over anything else so far. While I don't fully know his decision-making process, I believe he has said that he "feels" the outcome, or something of that sort. Essentially, he uses patterns/intuition to make his judgments. This is consistent with the way Gulenko describes Ne in ILIs: "Knows intuitively what suggestions are promising, and which are not".

    Temperament-wise, Ip makes far more sense than Ij.

    I'm honestly not so sure about his being Te heavy. The only reasoning I have for that is that he's very reliant upon common sense and he's incredibly frugal. However, these are pretty shallow reasons. I don't think he has a contact/inert subtype. Perhaps H in DCNH if any - heightened Pi makes sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FarDraft View Post
    I'm not sure about his type, but I'm very interested in finding out. MBTI-wise, he's mostly considered ISTJ, with some considering INTP and INTJ. However, MBTI's definition of Si is unreliable since it conflates it with Te and Fi in the Jungian sense. It's also almost entirely about the past, which doesn't fit with the nature of "sensing". I've become more accepting of it being about the past (since sensing can't reach the future), but I don't think the definition should be centred around tradition, memory, etc.

    That being said, his long-term focus indicates Ni valuing over anything else so far. While I don't fully know his decision-making process, I believe he has said that he "feels" the outcome, or something of that sort. Essentially, he uses patterns/intuition to make his judgments. This is consistent with the way Gulenko describes Ne in ILIs: "Knows intuitively what suggestions are promising, and which are not".

    Temperament-wise, Ip makes far more sense than Ij.

    I'm honestly not so sure about his being Te heavy. The only reasoning I have for that is that he's very reliant upon common sense and he's incredibly frugal. However, these are pretty shallow reasons. I don't think he has a contact/inert subtype. Perhaps H in DCNH if any - heightened Pi makes sense.
    If you've never read the book Buffett: The Making of an American Capitalist by Roger Lowenstein, I would recommend it, it is a good account of Buffets life and how he operated from an early age. He was incredibly pragmatic and constantly trying to make money through paper routes, selling small items, and buying and placing pinball machines inside of various shops. As he got older and more into the stock market and business buying aspect of things, he always took a very long term, slower growth route, almost always out-performing the market in his earlier career.

    I would say it's a safe bet to say that he's an EJ temperament and LIE. It's almost hard to compare him to other people and types, even the type he might be, because of how enormously successful, intelligent, and driven he was from an early age.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chakram View Post
    If you've never read the book Buffett: The Making of an American Capitalist by Roger Lowenstein, I would recommend it, it is a good account of Buffets life and how he operated from an early age. He was incredibly pragmatic and constantly trying to make money through paper routes, selling small items, and buying and placing pinball machines inside of various shops. As he got older and more into the stock market and business buying aspect of things, he always took a very long term, slower growth route, almost always out-performing the market in his earlier career.

    I would say it's a safe bet to say that he's an EJ temperament and LIE. It's almost hard to compare him to other people and types, even the type he might be, because of how enormously successful, intelligent, and driven he was from an early age.
    I knew he got into investing early, but I didn't know he was a hustler from the get go. If that's the case, then Ej does make more sense than Ip. I might read the book. I'm interested in his life and career since it's a path I may decide to take in the future.
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    ILI makes sense to me.

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    He reminds me a lot of Delta ST thinking. A guy at work whom seems very ESTj loves him. But Buffet seems to have very practical investing methods, not much in terms of innovation or following trends or anything more intuition related. He says he doesn't invest in things he doesn't understand and has missed most of the modern day trends like Amazon, Alphabet, and Apple. I think he openly derided cryptocurrency for awhile, though now he's starting to see the potential in it. I don't think he's an NT, but that's my opinion I guess. I'd say SLI or LSE.
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    Warren Buffett

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    Warren Buffett - Dumas


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    ILI or LIE, leaning more towards LIE

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    Another vote for ILI.

    He reminds me so much of this ILI whom I knew irl.

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    Guy lacks a dynamism of LIE by a long shot. He VI's as Donald Triplett - my new ILI benchmark.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heretic 007 View Post
    Guy lacks a dynamism of LIE by a long shot. He VI's as Donald Triplett - my new ILI benchmark.

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    hmm I can see some similarities. how anyone can type him as sensing type is beyond me.

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    I know someone who interviewed him in irl, so have heard personal account of him in irl. I would get SLI... with strong Ni role, or ILI, with strong Si role.

    He was drinking soda during the interview and told the young ladies they needed to build healthy habits before they became like him, and pointed toward the soda.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sbbds View Post
    I know someone who interviewed him in irl, so have heard personal account of him in irl. I would get SLI... with strong Ni role, or ILI, with strong Si role.

    He was drinking soda during the interview and told the young ladies they needed to build healthy habits before they became like him, and pointed toward the soda.
    SLI with....strong Ni? a function that is turned off in favor of your base? whenever SLI make predictions I'm just rolling my eyes. most of the time they completely refrain from looking into the future, saying that you can't predict things.

    this guy can patiently wait for results. sensing types don't do that. they are daytraders, it's very uncomfortable for them to do nothing and just wait. I see this in crypto all the time. these are the people that sold bitcoin for 1.50$ years ago and thought they won big. LSE is even more ridiculous...

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    Quote Originally Posted by soundofconfusion View Post
    SLI with....strong Ni? a function that is turned off in favor of your base? whenever SLI make predictions I'm just rolling my eyes. most of the time they completely refrain from looking into the future, saying that you can't predict things.

    this guy can patiently wait for results. sensing types don't do that. they are daytraders, it's very uncomfortable for them to do nothing and just wait. I see this in crypto all the time. these are the people that sold bitcoin for 1.50$ years ago and thought they won big. LSE is even more ridiculous...
    So you believe Ni types are these mystics who can see the future? Bill Gates said spam would be a thing of the past by the 90s or 2000.


    You know what company Buffett just bought for the first time? Amazon. The best company in the world just about. He JUST decided to invest into it. He is old fashioned. His principles are old fashioned. Just look at financial statements and see what it is worth. No visionary. Very common sense.

    lol at sensing types being day traders. you are a fuckin moron.

    Oh, and Bitcoin, another thing Buffett predicted wrongly and was against. Gates too. I agree with them too. Crypto is for idiots and people just got lucky. lol at attributing any bitcoin gains to skill or vision. please. You probably think the dumb potheads who bought pot stocks and rode the bubble were geniuses too.

    Oh, and you do wanna talk about Buffett's investment in Kraft Heinz? lol. What a disaster. You need to realize that in investing you can be wrong most of the time and still come out on top.

    Buffett is all about old fashioned, boring shit. Coca Cola. Kraft Heinz. Airlines. Utilities.

    And there is no evidence that Warren Buffett, or any investor, is exceptional. See the math and explanation here: start at like 8 minutes in. STATISTICALLY INSIGNIFICANT

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    Quote Originally Posted by soundofconfusion View Post
    SLI with....strong Ni? a function that is turned off in favor of your base? whenever SLI make predictions I'm just rolling my eyes. most of the time they completely refrain from looking into the future, saying that you can't predict things.

    this guy can patiently wait for results. sensing types don't do that. they are daytraders, it's very uncomfortable for them to do nothing and just wait. I see this in crypto all the time. these are the people that sold bitcoin for 1.50$ years ago and thought they won big. LSE is even more ridiculous...
    I just want to reiterate that any bitcoin gains were due to luck and chance. Not skill or vision. Anymore than investing in Tilray was skill or vision.

    And what the fuck are you wearing in that avatar? lol. Fucking ******. lol. Embarrassing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tearsofaclown View Post
    And what the fuck are you wearing in that avatar? lol. Fucking ******. lol. Embarrassing.
    you seem like a really sad and unstable individual to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by soundofconfusion View Post
    SLI with....strong Ni? a function that is turned off in favor of your base? whenever SLI make predictions I'm just rolling my eyes. most of the time they completely refrain from looking into the future, saying that you can't predict things.

    this guy can patiently wait for results. sensing types don't do that. they are daytraders, it's very uncomfortable for them to do nothing and just wait. I see this in crypto all the time. these are the people that sold bitcoin for 1.50$ years ago and thought they won big. LSE is even more ridiculous...
    Sure but it’s a stereotype.

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    He does not seem to have that bitching in your face SLI Fe PoLR instead he resorts to ridicule which is ILI stance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heretic 007 View Post
    He does not seem to have that bitching in your face SLI Fe PoLR instead he resorts to ridicule which is ILI stance.
    Ridicule who? He is very easy going and doesn't have a mean bone in his body. He isn't ILI. He doesn't have strong opinions on things. Or at least he doesn't express them strongly. Fi suggestive.

    For example, Steve Jobs and Bill Gates would literally call people idiots. So do I. Buffett isnt like that at all. He isn't like Musk. Isn't like Zuckerberg. No resentment or victim hood. He is actually criticized for being too easy on people.
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    He is an LSE. Fe-polr makes zero sense. He is good with Fe and Si.
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    ILI's enjoy fame of being calculating cautious cowards due to process orientation and 4D Ni (EIE's having the same predisposition but they take risks) while SLI's are potential daredevils as are LIE's.
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    SLI or LSE seems to fit.
    @soundofconfusion His predictions are actually based on his experience and models, not on some "magical Ni" (no offence to Ni users). One of his more famous quotes that stuck in for me was about how you shouldn't invest in things you don't know throughfully; he is very experience- and knowledge-based. In fact, his cautiousness in that regard caused him to not invest in technologies for decades (as he considers the market far too unstable). I can find more info if you want to read it (I won't pretend to be an expert on Buffett either, but that's what he said).

    He uses mainly fundamental analysis: he calculates business' approximate value and then decides whether to invest or not (he famously made his fortune searching for and then investing in "cigar butt stocks", a.ka. the ones that are criminally underpriced; he loves that technique). You can use Ni for that, but it's definitely not needed.

    He strikes me delta, knowing a bit about his overall image and rather secretive life in his old, non-outwardly rich house.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mesn View Post
    SLI or LSE seems to fit.
    @soundofconfusion His predictions are actually based on his experience and models, not on some "magical Ni" (no offence to Ni users). One of his more famous quotes that stuck in for me was about how you shouldn't invest in things you don't know throughfully; he is very experience- and knowledge-based. In fact, his cautiousness in that regard caused him to not invest in technologies for decades (as he considers the market far too unstable). I can find more info if you want to read it (I won't pretend to be an expert on Buffett either, but that's what he said).

    He uses mainly fundamental analysis: he calculates business' approximate value and then decides whether to invest or not (he famously made his fortune searching for and then investing in "cigar butt stocks", a.ka. the ones that are criminally underpriced; he loves that technique). You can use Ni for that, but it's definitely not needed.

    He strikes me delta, knowing a bit about his overall image and rather secretive life in his old, non-outwardly rich house.
    But not taking any sort of risk is trademark of ILI not SLI.
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    Ni is not a magical function that lets you see the future, you simply get a feeling on how things will develop, and depending on how strong that feeling is, you will act on it. I was giving bitcoin as an example because of that. I know dozens of people who invested in it because of berlin's startup scene and all the people who bought it years ago and made money with it were Ni dominant types, while SLI or LSE often end up like this guy:

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    Quote Originally Posted by soundofconfusion View Post
    Ni is not a magical function that lets you see the future, you simply get a feeling on how things will develop, and depending on how strong that feeling is, you will act on it. I was giving bitcoin as an example because of that. I know dozens of people who invested in it because of berlin's startup scene and all the people who bought it years ago and made money with it were Ni dominant types, while SLI or LSE often end up like this guy:

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    You got lucky. There is a show on HBO about sports betting. This one guy who picked Holly Holm to beat Rousey, then Tate to beat Holm. The guy is a total retard. He got lucky. But now he has an entire industry of people who pay for his "predictions". They are gullible fools. More money was made selling shovels than in gold. These guys claim to know where the gold is, but only sell the shovel. They are charlatans. You are too. You can't predict shit. There is a ton of literature on the subject. Intuition is actually frowned up by intellectuals. See Thinking Fast and Slow by a Nobel Prize winner. Intuition substitutes a difficult question with an easier question. Like, the complex question of whether I should invest in netflix can be substituted with a simpler question, "Do I personally like Netflix?" You are doing the same thing. You are taking a complex topic --stock predicting-- and reducing it to a simple answer. To some esoteric system backed by nothing but personal anecdotes. "Because my interpenetration of a fringe theory says so."

    You know who never thinked with his gut? Carl Sagan. Where knowledge ends, he stops. George Soros is another guy who thinks markets can't be predicted. I guess your crypto speculating ass is better than him too.
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