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    A female ISTP artist.

    The craftsman archetype.

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    As an aside, if you ever want to know what magic mushrooms looks and feels like "pulsating light emanating from all objects, living and non-living, linked together" pretty much sums it up.
    I agree that she's delta, but I think she is intuitive.

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    I agree that she's delta, but I think she is intuitive.
    I considered this at first, but landed on ST for the strong attention to detail. Certainly there is some demonstrative types of intuition - the way she connects various fields of biology and observatory naturalism being one of them - overall I think its only done to serve the internal Si vision. You know?

    She even states at the end of the video that she is trying to share her internal vision of how she sees matter and energy.

    I know she has a intuitive kinaesthetic, but keep in mind she is also a woman who probably grew up in her quadra, surrounded by quadra mates. People start to blend together. Notice how she organizes her artwork, staff, construction projects? Seems like the kind of person to go for expert advice for.


    She also reminds me of a SLI woman I met this year and her EII boy friend. Her and I are both early risers, whereas I love to listen to upbeat rap music, or "pump up", she liked to do calming yoga in front of the fire place. Eventually a guy starts to walk on egg shells around Si.

    I bring up this story because its the same sort of woman as this one featured. Very common archetype in the pacific-central north west of north america. Probably because there is still so much wilderness here. Although this woman was from Belgium, here in in this part of the world to hang out with other deltas. Uhg the amount of subtle judgements over several months still gives me PTSD. Good people, but very idealistic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by timber View Post
    I considered this at first, but landed on ST for the strong attention to detail. Certainly there is some demonstrative types of intuition - the way she connects various fields of biology and observatory naturalism being one of them - overall I think its only done to serve the internal Si vision. You know?

    She even states at the end of the video that she is trying to share her internal vision of how she sees matter and energy.

    I know she has a intuitive kinaesthetic, but keep in mind she is also a woman who probably grew up in her quadra, surrounded by quadra mates. People start to blend together. Notice how she organizes her artwork, staff, construction projects? Seems like the kind of person to go for expert advice for.


    She also reminds me of a SLI woman I met this year and her EII boy friend. Her and I are both early risers, whereas I love to listen to upbeat rap music, or "pump up", she liked to do calming yoga in front of the fire place. Eventually a guy starts to walk on egg shells around Si.

    I bring up this story because its the same sort of woman as this one featured. Very common archetype in the pacific-central north west of north america. Probably because there is still so much wilderness here. Although this woman was from Belgium, here in in this part of the world to hang out with other deltas. Uhg the amount of subtle judgements over several months still gives me PTSD. Good people, but very idealistic.

    I can't see her being a sensing type with that level of artistic creativity. I think she is a normalising subtype, possibly EII.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dead account View Post
    I can't see her being a sensing type with that level of artistic creativity. I think she is a normalising subtype, possibly EII.
    Why not?

    Do you subscribe to the Si= sitting on a couch type?

    I just wonder where the "craftsmen" archetype would come from if a person did not have some level of creativity in their psyche. You think if she was a woodworking carpenter who builds homes during the work week and makes fine wood furniture on the weekends would make her more of a SLI? Maybe if she was into auto body work would suit SLI better.

    I know, she seems INFj, but I'm sensing ignored Se. She is producing Si as well. A more gentle, feminine version of it that's not attached to Fe. I think people have a misconception that delta ST is all tough guy shops at Home Depot types. No. Si Te goes different places in Ip energy metabolism, especially in women with strong nurtured ethics.

    Also, DNCH is a joke imho. Nature vs Nurture covers more ground a lot better. Meaning socionics can only go so far when explaining the totality of a single personality. The 4 subtypes variants is way to specific in a gulenko arbitrary type way. You won't find me regarding this theory in high regard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by timber View Post
    Why not?

    Do you subscribe to the Si= sitting on a couch type?
    no, I see Si as a perception of the inner processes of your body, and Ni as a perception of abstract and speculative pictures. which function do you think creates her work?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dead account View Post
    no, I see Si as a perception of the inner processes of your body, and Ni as a perception of abstract and speculative pictures. which function do you think creates her work?
    Definitely Si. She sat in Yellow stone studying the shapes of pond scum. Think about it. Look at her home. Look at her clothing. Listen to her voice. The way she brought to life her vibrant awareness of life forms lit by inner energy. She literally says "this is how I see the world". Formless shapes, colours, impressions​.

    I think I will bring up another delta SLI male for comparison.

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    Mike Portnoy SLI Si subtype.


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    Quote Originally Posted by timber View Post
    Definitely Si. She sat in Yellow stone studying the shapes of pond scum. Think about it. Look at her home. Look at her clothing. Listen to her voice. The way she brought to life her vibrant awareness of life forms lit by inner energy. She literally says "this is how I see the world". Formless shapes, colours, impressions​.

    I think I will bring up another delta SLI male for comparison.
    no need. I work with dozens of SLI.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dead account View Post
    no need. I work with dozens of SLI.
    To late. I doubt you work with SLI women. She ain't INFj. I think you see a young woman who references multiply biology and science topics and are misconstruing that as being Ni-Ne. I don't, because in context she is doing it in order to "see" forms in nature and transpose that into her artwork. I think you are misunderstanding a creative process as actually being base ego produced intuition.

    In a more complex way, when she describes wanting to find connection in nature sounds like mobilizing Fi. Would need more information than what the video describes.

    When the video opens, she says the bigger picture of the project is so large that " its a big task, if we look at the whole thing, altogether, it can feel pretty daunting". The way she breaks down this project in step by step is exactly what a IEE needs. She is the details organizer,

    "dot by dot, line by line, one by one, we are painting every single intricate panel". <--- the minutia of tasks = Si, Te.

    edit: the only other socionics informational element one can draw from this video is Ni. But, the trick is, is this Ni connected to time awareness, when she pulls from different inspirations? I don't hear it. Like I said, these studies are to inspire a Si awareness and bring them into fruition.

    "The deeper I went into the project the more it started touching deeper fibres with in me" <<< a tonne of Si in this statement ... later... some Fi here.

    "When we are able to go beyond our individual selves, and connect with a much bigger expression of life" <<<< lots of Ne and Fi suggestion here.
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    I definitely agree with IEE for this youtuber. IEE-Fi, I think.
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    Carl Rogers EII (MBTI INFP)



    Ani Lorak IEE (MBTI ENFP)

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    I want to watch more videos, but it already seems to me that this guy is an SLI. he has a channel with 1,72 million subscribers about nature and living alone in the wilderness. he barely talks, often in a rather lethargic and slow manner, so the introversion is very clearly visible. he also has a personal channel.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gG-J70FxMo

    he talks a bit about himself here.

    I also think he looks a bit like Walt Whitman, who I think is also an SLI


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    (British presenter who makes gardening shows) His latest shows about gardens around the world are really interesting.

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    Is this how a trauma depress EII look like?




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    Quote Originally Posted by Moharu View Post
    Is this how a trauma depress EII look like?



    I'd say yes, a hundred percent. He seems to have incredibly pronounced Fi and Ne, and the way he grapples with guilt over some of his decisions (whether the ones he makes, or his part in those of others) seems very Fi-centric as well. Probably not a "good" thing, but Shinji is one of the most relatable characters I've ever seen in a show from an information element standpoint. Such a good episode too btw--was a bit jarring hearing the dub for the first time though

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    Shinji Ikari is an IEI, the same type as Hideaki Anno.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alive View Post
    Shinji Ikari is an IEI, the same type as Hideaki Anno.
    I barely see any Ni and Fe in Shinji, just pure Fi rampage (and a little bit Ti an Ne). Not sure about the author, but an IEI has a higher chance of writing something like this shit more than an EII, could be ILI though...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alive View Post
    Shinji Ikari is an IEI, the same type as Hideaki Anno.
    absolutely hated that show. He is weak in the head.. every second of him breathing was an affront lol.. I wanted to strangle him. I find it extremely hard to tolerate people who are weak not physically, but either in character or mentally. People who have this stupid victim mentality really grind my gears.


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    John Harvey Kellogg mb LSE

    John Harvey Kellogg (February 26, 1852 – December 14, 1943) was an American medical doctor, nutritionist, inventor, health activist, eugenicist, and businessman. He was the director of the Battle Creek Sanitarium in Battle Creek, Michigan. The sanitarium was founded by members of the Seventh-day Adventist Church. It combined aspects of a European spa, a hydrotherapy institution, a hospital and a high-class hotel. Kellogg treated both the rich and famous, as well as the poor who could not afford other hospitals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shotgunfingers View Post
    absolutely hated that show. He is weak in the head.. every second of him breathing was an affront lol.. I wanted to strangle him. I find it extremely hard to tolerate people who are weak not physically, but either in character or mentally. People who have this stupid victim mentality really grind my gears.

    An Beta ST hate him is no surprise, he's a very unhealthy one. Maybe because I'm his benefactor and have Fi, I kind of empathy him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moharu View Post
    An Beta ST hate him is no surprise, he's a very unhealthy one. Maybe because I'm his benefactor and have Fi, I kind of empathy him.
    maybe. I didn't hate Vash for example from Trigun and he is EII-C Delta. When he bums out over killing someone its understandable, his aversion to coercion & violence is also understandable and admirable. Shinji in contrast is just a victim of himself, Vash just keeps going in spite of all the crap that happens to him. The difference.


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    Quote Originally Posted by shotgunfingers View Post
    maybe. I didn't hate Vash for example from Trigun and he is EII-C Delta. When he bums out over killing someone its understandable, his aversion to coercion & violence is also understandable and admirable. Shinji in contrast is just a victim of himself, Vash just keeps going in spite of all the crap that happens to him. The difference.

    In the rebuild version shinji actually improve a little bit (but turn back into his former self in movie 3 lol) :v



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    Quote Originally Posted by Moharu View Post
    An Beta ST hate him is no surprise
    It's naive to trust what people think about own types and seriously relate to typing of not real people. @shotgunfingers got LSI by nonsense hypotheses by Gulenko, not by Socionics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alive View Post


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    Yes.

    Notice she mentions her Dad? I'm thinking she grew up with dual parent so there is a level of adult life balance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alive View Post


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    I really liked this video. She's channeling her inner SLI. She actually looks like a mannish version of my SLI-Te ex. And my SLI-Te son has that exact chopsaw.

    *EDIT*
    Actually, the more I watch this video, the more I think she's actually an SLI-Te.
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    The woman in this video is more like the IEE's that I know.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Strange View Post
    Actually, the more I watch this video, the more I think she's actually an SLI-Te.
    Yeah. That is active ego development. She does not seek help from others. I have met one IEE (female) who took carpentry classes... but I said classes. It seemed like something she admired in people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Strange View Post
    I really liked this video. She's channeling her inner SLI. She actually looks like a mannish version of my SLI-Te ex. And my SLI-Te son has that exact chopsaw.

    *EDIT*
    Actually, the more I watch this video, the more I think she's actually an SLI-Te.
    as a Ti-dom, your typings are interesting to me, because I feel like I really observe your ignoring Ti very often, since your typings don't seem to have any kind of structural or systematic approach. I have been wondering if you would see my ignoring Te just as clearly in statistical enviroments, since I often disregard data and prefer to go with my own understanding. I would never debate between activity types, because they are so different. it always confuses me when people here debate between duality, extinguishment, super-ego, supervision etc. it makes me think "how can you debate between them, they are fundamentally different? do you even know what you are doing?". I personally have a vague idea of a type when I see a person and then I go through different options like quasi-identical, benefit, mirror, comparative, look-alike etc. because these types are quite similar. I wouldn't debate between an SLI and IEE, or LII and SEI. just an observation.

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    Yeah. That is active ego development. She does not seek help from others. I have met one IEE (female) who took carpentry classes... but I said classes. It seemed like something she admired in people.
    your typings are also weird most of the time. sometimes you really offer an insightful perspective but the next time you miss the mark by a lot and I wonder "what is he even thinking?"

    I watched several videos of isabel paige and how she build her tiny house. she was really struggling with it. she's very clumsy when it comes to handling equipment, often times she would cry because it was all too hard or she forgot to buy some equipment for her house so she had to travel back to the city for several hours because of her scatteredness. SLI makes zero sense to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alive View Post
    as a Ti-dom, your typings are interesting to me, because I feel like I really observe your ignoring Ti very often, since your typings don't seem to have any kind of structural or systematic approach. I have been wondering if you would see my ignoring Te just as clearly in statistical enviroments, since I often disregard data and prefer to go with my own understanding. I would never debate between activity types, because they are so different. it always confuses me when people here debate between duality, extinguishment, super-ego, supervision etc. it makes me think "how can you debate between them, they are fundamentally different? do you even know what you are doing?". I personally have a vague idea of a type when I see a person and then I go through different options like quasi-identical, benefit, mirror, comparative, look-alike etc. because these types are quite similar. I wouldn't debate between an SLI and IEE, or LII and SEI. just an observation.



    your typings are also weird most of the time. sometimes you really offer an insightful perspective but the next time you miss the mark by a lot and I wonder "what is he even thinking?"

    I watched several videos of isabel paige and how she build her tiny house. she was really struggling with it. she's very clumsy when it comes to handling equipment, often times she would cry because it was all too hard or she forgot to buy some equipment for her house so she had to travel back to the city for several hours because of her scatteredness. SLI makes zero sense to me.
    And life with your ego = just a breeze. Yup. Checked. Send me an answer to Riemann hypothesis. I'm waiting for it. Also alexithymia mb not type related.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chin Diaper 007 View Post
    And life with your ego = just a breeze. Yup. Checked. Send me an answer to Riemann hypothesis. I'm waiting for it.
    arrogance is not always a bad thing. and tbh, having an ego because I studied something in-depth for several years is certainly better than your childish nihilism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chin Diaper 007 View Post
    And life with your ego = just a breeze. Yup. Checked. Send me an answer to Riemann hypothesis. I'm waiting for it. Also alexithymia mb not type related.
    Life with an LIE is a breeze because my answer to the Riemann hypothesis is the same as Alexander's answer to the Gordian knot.

    Get it done, move on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alive View Post
    as a Ti-dom, your typings are interesting to me, because I feel like I really observe your ignoring Ti very often, since your typings don't seem to have any kind of structural or systematic approach. I have been wondering if you would see my ignoring Te just as clearly in statistical enviroments, since I often disregard data and prefer to go with my own understanding. I would never debate between activity types, because they are so different. it always confuses me when people here debate between duality, extinguishment, super-ego, supervision etc. it makes me think "how can you debate between them, they are fundamentally different? do you even know what you are doing?". I personally have a vague idea of a type when I see a person and then I go through different options like quasi-identical, benefit, mirror, comparative, look-alike etc. because these types are quite similar. I wouldn't debate between an SLI and IEE, or LII and SEI. just an observation.

    your typings are also weird most of the time. sometimes you really offer an insightful perspective but the next time you miss the mark by a lot and I wonder "what is he even thinking?"
    @Alive, for what it's worth, I have no idea where about 70% of your typings come from, either. I mean, no idea.

    However, I don't have to organize all the data in the world, and if I happen to believe two incompatible things, I don't have a problem with that. What I'm saying is that we don't have to agree.
    I'm slowly taking up some of @Subteigh's approach to Socionics. He says that there is no empirical evidence for it. I won't go that far, but I can easily see where two people with two sets of definitions might come to two different answers, and both answers might be equally useful to the individuals. I mean, at the end of the day, a theory is either useful or it isn't.

    I actually know at least fifteen LII's. My sister is one! A few people at customer's companies are LII. I have had two business partners who are LII. I actually have friends who are LII, although I don't understand the motives of any of them. It's more like we are sharing space on an elevator, going to the same floor. I find LIIs to be extremely smart and their gearing is incomprehensible, but I don't have to understand them for us to solve problems together.

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    I watched several videos of isabel paige and how she build her tiny house. she was really struggling with it. she's very clumsy when it comes to handling equipment, often times she would cry because it was all too hard or she forgot to buy some equipment for her house so she had to travel back to the city for several hours because of her scatteredness. SLI makes zero sense to me.
    I watched the part where she was whining loudly and saying "This is hard!" as she drops a board. Well, she's a female. They aren't usually as strong as men.
    Also, my SLI-Te son usually lets me do the heavy lifting because he's not nearly as strong as I am, despite being an adult now. He has Si (take easy care of my body) and I have Se (Dammit, get this done right now no matter how much it hurts).

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    It's naive to trust what people think about own types and seriously relate to typing of not real people. @shotgunfingers got LSI by nonsense hypotheses by Gulenko, not by Socionics.
    Maybe you can't find an EII because you suck at typing people Sol.

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