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    Quote Originally Posted by myresearch View Post
    Die Antwoord music sometimes get associated with beta more specifically with SLE/IEI, but I think Yolandi Visser is SLI-Si, has a cute voice(human feature) and very cute Si innotation and Si body language. She generally doesnt speak much on interviews, so I have shared a music video:


    she is an IEI. her musical themes are way too focused on symbolism, violence etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alive View Post
    she is an IEI. her musical themes are way too focused on symbolism, violence etc.
    I agree that their themes are focused on symbolism and violence. That's why I said it is generally associated with beta(SLE/IEI). I know some people would disagree. However, she seems like a sensor to me. On another note, I dont find their symbolism sophisticated enough but I also know that someone can be Ni ego and may not use too sophisticated symbolism in their art. I think she is cute but in a Si way, I dont see her Fe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by myresearch View Post
    I agree that their themes are focused on symbolism and violence. That's why I said it is generally associated with beta(SLE/IEI). I know some people would disagree. However, she seems like a sensor to me. On another note, I dont find their symbolism sophisticated enough but I also know that someone can be Ni ego and may not use too sophisticated symbolism in their art. I think she is cute but in a Si way, I dont see her Fe.

    I find it really hard to see Si-Te in her

    https://i.imgur.com/MwnUzPS.jpg
    https://dianatrees.files.wordpress.c.../01/angel2.jpg
    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/d7/59...1aa3602c84.png
    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/34/b7...62086d82e2.jpg

    she clearly focuses on her imagination, probably has a very high focus on Ni far removed from reality. I fail to see how she is a pragmatic sensing type.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alive View Post
    I find it really hard to see Si-Te in her

    https://i.imgur.com/MwnUzPS.jpg
    https://dianatrees.files.wordpress.c.../01/angel2.jpg
    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/d7/59...1aa3602c84.png
    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/34/b7...62086d82e2.jpg

    she clearly focuses on her imagination, probably has a very high focus on Ni far removed from reality. I fail to see how she is a pragmatic sensing type.
    I agree that pictures you shared indicates Ni, I dont think there is SiTe on those pictures. However, she isn't necessarily the one who is doing that, creating that, but surely she can be in the decision making process, it can be partially her choice to go with that route. Although as a band, I think Die Antwoord is more beta like, I disregarded that when I was typing her because that could be their marketing strategy and could be a result of their culture/environment (South Africa).

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    Quote Originally Posted by myresearch View Post
    I agree that pictures you shared indicates Ni, I dont think there is SiTe on those pictures. However, she isn't necessarily the one who is doing that, creating that, but surely she can be in the decision making process, it can be partially her choice to go with that route. Although as a band, I think Die Antwoord is more beta like, I disregarded that when I was typing her because that could be their marketing strategy and could be a result of their culture/environment (South Africa).
    I think a common trait for IEI is that they absolutely want to have full control of their artistic pursuits and I personally doubt that other people are doing stuff for her. I found the band through an IEI who really loves yolandi. she was very happy when I told her they have the same type, but I personally don't like their music. don't feel like researching them again to prove my point so that's all I can say about her type I guess.

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    i agree with yolandi being sli. die antwoord is poking fun at things they have contempt for by posing as caricatures so outlandish people take the persona seriously. theyve had other music projects that were very different, this is just the one that happened to get really popular so theyve stuck with it longest. it's all a "big black joke" like they say in their song "fok julle naaiers" ("fuck you all") talking shit about people who don't quite get their dry humour. ninja seems a gamma type like comedian andrew dice clay.
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    most intuitives here really need to do some jobs in construction/manufacturing or factories so they get an idea in their head who SLI really are, instead of typing weird artists as this type. the type is called Craftsman for a reason.

    think of SLI when you watch this video, the guy who makes the guided tour.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6HcB6uOKiM



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    Quote Originally Posted by them View Post
    i agree with yolandi being sli. die antwoord is poking fun at things they have contempt for by posing as caricatures so outlandish people take the persona seriously. theyve had other music projects that were very different, this is just the one that happened to get really popular so theyve stuck with it longest. it's all a "big black joke" like they say in their song "fok julle naaiers" ("fuck you all") talking shit about people who don't quite get their dry humour. ninja seems a gamma type like comedian andrew dice clay.
    Oh my fuck. If Yolandi is SLI I am going to become EIE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alive View Post
    most intuitives here really need to do some jobs in construction/manufacturing or factories so they get an idea in their head who SLI really are, instead of typing weird artists as this type. the type is called Craftsman for a reason.

    think of SLI when you watch this video, the guy who makes the guided tour.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6HcB6uOKiM



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    Yeah. They be typing truly Se/Fe people as SLI. Makes no fucking sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alive View Post
    she is an IEI. her musical themes are way too focused on symbolism, violence etc.
    Yeah. They think she is SLI because of the superego imo. Reminds me of IEI Aurora.

    Listen to the calls she had with some Ben dude, he wanted them to apologize for hers and that crackhead Ninja's behavior over bullying some girl. She reeks of that Fe creative victim bs. No fucking way she is Fe polr. She knows how to control the emotional atmosphere. She also made up bullshit over obvious shit, she shits on Te evidence and tries to twist everything in her favour even if it doesn't make sense (Te polr).

    EDIT: here's the link:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eq_bkNZzQc
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr PissBender View Post
    Yeah. They think she is SLI because of the superego imo. Reminds me of IEI Aurora.

    Listen to the calls she had with some Ben dude, he wanted them to apologize for hers and that crackhead Ninja's behavior over bullying some girl. She reeks of that Fe creative victim bs. No fucking way she is Fe polr. She knows how to control the emotional atmosphere. She also made up bullshit over obvious shit, she shits on Te evidence and tries to twist everything in her favour even if it doesn't make sense (Te polr).

    EDIT: here's the link:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eq_bkNZzQc
    I agree that Aurora is an IEI, but I don't think I can watch this video. don't enjoy seeing people having arguments with each other. guess it's role Fi. I usually just leave a place if people do that irl.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alive View Post
    most intuitives here really need to do some jobs in construction/manufacturing or factories so they get an idea in their head who SLI really are, instead of typing weird artists as this type. the type is called Craftsman for a reason.

    think of SLI when you watch this video, the guy who makes the guided tour.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6HcB6uOKiM



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    This is a NF right? Cause she doesn't give off care giver vibes, more resource guarding vibes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alive View Post
    I agree that Aurora is an IEI, but I don't think I can watch this video. don't enjoy seeing people having arguments with each other. guess it's role Fi. I usually just leave a place if people do that irl.
    I'd say it is your Se polr. I am Fi creative and no way in hell I have issues with that, clearly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr PissBender View Post
    I'd say it is your Se polr. I am Fi creative and no way in hell I have issues with that, clearly.
    a couple of days ago two friends got in an argument about something while I was standing around and one of them started lecturing the other and I was just like "ok I'm out" and just left without saying anything to them. maybe it's also suggestive Fe since I mostly prefer positive emotions dunno it's a really strong characteristic of me. I also don't like to listen to other people's relationship problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alive View Post
    a couple of days ago two friends got in an argument about something while I was standing around and one of them started lecturing the other and I was just like "ok I'm out" and just left without saying anything to them. maybe it's also suggestive Fe since I mostly prefer positive emotions dunno it's a really strong characteristic of me. I also don't like to listen to other people's relationship problems.
    Yeah. Sounds like that. I love the shit talk. Me and my SLI bestfriend are often taking the piss on others lol. An ESE-LII worst nightmare.

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    It is probably safe to put yolandi rest in beta. The stuff is clearly blown off proportions so I don't want to type them as real peeps.
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    Megatrop showed me this channel and I think she is also an IEE

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fjhk1K-ow58



    it's interesting that she sees herself as an introvert, and I think she is a normalising or harmonsing subtype.

    these are also women who I think are IEE

    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzL...fuVSEHkMGEq7Vg (she is imo a creative subtype)
    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCnQ...P-DnbUZtIMrupw
    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCZe_uzZ6VLMXtwW2V9-VvpQ

    they all remind me of women I have spend time with in berlin.
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    I think both are IEE

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    LSE, SLI, IEE left to right



    SLI, ILE left to right

    Talking about his SLI father.

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    Chloé Zhao seems like an IEE to me. her film nomadland won the oscar. (interview starts at 9:35)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alive View Post


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    I think the guy's an LSE extrovert. He doesn't really reflect into his head between sentences. Plus, there's that mustache and that Heh Heh heh laugh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Strange View Post
    I think the guy's an LSE extrovert. He doesn't really reflect into his head between sentences. Plus, there's that mustache and that Heh Heh heh laugh.
    I considered LSE, too, but he has a rather monotonous voice which seems more of an Ip trait. we talk faster about topics that interest us, so we can seem extroverted at that moment. in the end, it doesn't matter all that much to me since he obviously won't share a lot of private information on his channel to clearly figure out his type, and it's not an interest that I care all that much about. I just thought he was interesting because he seemed like a clear delta ST example.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alive View Post
    I considered LSE, too, but he has a rather monotonous voice which seems more of an Ip trait. we talk faster about topics that interest us, so we can seem extroverted at that moment. in the end, it doesn't matter all that much to me since he obviously won't share a lot of private information on his channel to clearly figure out his type, and it's not an interest that I care all that much about. I just thought he was interesting because he seemed like a clear delta ST example.
    I think that guy might have been a forumite before I got here. Ask @ashlesha, she might know.

    There was some YouTube guy from the forum who shot his lawnmower on video, IIRC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alive View Post


    SLI

    so I watched a couple more videos and I'm more and more sure that my SLI typing is correct. in this video

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmVJYB3uDkc

    he mentions in the beginning that he can only really do videos when he is in the mood for it, which shows that he's an irrational type. he uses his creative Te very well, giving impersonal instructions about technical equipment. @qaz00 if you know any other SLI on youtube, feel free to send me a pm. it's hard for me to find them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alive View Post
    @qaz00 if you know any other SLI on youtube, feel free to send me a pm. it's hard for me to find them.
    I can't help, I rarely watch anything on youtube, I prefer reading articles to get interesting info fast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by asd View Post

    have I posted this already? I may have posted another video or just mentioned him; but yeah, SLI.
    Definite SLI, I agree. I think this has been posted elsewhere too, but here's him with his dual future wife :)


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    Quote Originally Posted by aciaradh View Post
    Definite SLI, I agree. I think this has been posted elsewhere too, but here's him with his dual future wife
    I don't He seems LSI-H to me. Too much Ti, and you can see the Ij temperament/Fe valuing. Alicia Vikander is some Fe-dom creative subtype imo.
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    SLI-Si Harmonizing (=with functional displacement to SEI)

    I rarely feel alone. I rarely talk to anyone, yet in my head i have the most amazing, the most fantastic discussions with the people in my life. In real life, what most people talk about is several orders of magnitude lesser than their inner experiences. Most people never reveal the singularity of their subjective experience.
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pw_KV9WgPUw

    watched this interview out of curiosity and I think he might be an IEI-C

    just my 2 cents

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    @asd it's good to learn to recognize duals haha


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    I’ve been unduly obsessed with Astrid Bergés-Frisbey forever, and I am convinced she is LSE-Si.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PinKDiGiT18 View Post
    I’ve been unduly obsessed with Astrid Bergés-Frisbey forever, and I am convinced she is LSE-Si.
    Oh? We'd love to hear your argumentation then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tuathe View Post
    Oh? We'd love to hear your argumentation then.
    I really only have visual identification to go by, but what brought me to the conclusion was a mixture of soft Si ego-like eyes and a sense of style that is reminiscent of my LSE-Si cousin’s. She has certain angularity of facial features like Robin Wright, who is also that type according to some Socionics galleries and they share some facial expressions. Watching her and hearing her speak is relaxing to me, which happens to me with LSEs of Si-sub but not Te-sub. I don’t think she is ESE because in interviews she exhibits a certain awkwardness that is not typical of Fe bases or egos. On the flip side, as an actress she tends to choose roles that are emotionally expressive (suggesting Fe role over PoLR).

    I also considered ESI for her, but she seems too Si-valuing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PinKDiGiT18 View Post
    I really only have visual identification to go by, but what brought me to the conclusion was a mixture of soft Si ego-like eyes and a sense of style that is reminiscent of my LSE-Si cousin’s. She has certain angularity of facial features like Robin Wright, who is also that type according to some Socionics galleries and they share some facial expressions. Watching her and hearing her speak is relaxing to me, which happens to me with LSEs of Si-sub but not Te-sub. I don’t think she is ESE because in interviews she exhibits a certain awkwardness that is not typical of Fe bases or egos. On the flip side, as an actress she tends to choose roles that are emotionally expressive (suggesting Fe role over PoLR).

    I also considered ESI for her, but she seems too Si-valuing.
    These aren't very compelling arguments if you ask me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tuathe View Post
    These aren't very compelling arguments if you ask me.
    Yeah, this is more my subjective POV than anything else. But on the chance that it’s a correct assessment, I wanted to throw her in at least.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tuathe View Post
    These aren't very compelling arguments if you ask me.
    There are no "very compelling arguments" with today methods as all those are highly speculative. And there are many mistakes with all methods too, what is see by low typing matches.
    Besides it's useless to say any arguments to random forum noobs which can't understand them correctly. And intuitive methods as VI are widely used, have significant weight in opinions to make logical explanations weaker without VI factor and are not supposed to have arguments at all, what noobs may forget.
    So, in general to ask for arguments about someone types is significantly useless. I understand, that noobs like to play in argumentations. But it's not very serious except cases to reject some types, alike to point that to have base Fi type does not match with your rude talking style. But not about whole type.

    No one will give good arguments. At least, for the ones with some competence in typology. Noobs are not so, they may be convinced by any nonsense and can't often understand correctly even own types, alike in your case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by asd View Post
    Do you have experience IRL with each sub? Pros/cons interacting with each sub?

    I know there’s more to someone and our relationship with them than type but I was just curious.

    Te subs can sometimes rub me the wrong way too, a little bit, too much Te+Se, not soft enough. But I’m not sure if it’s something else
    Oh. My. Goodness. Let me tell you, it’s not just in your head.

    Te-LSEs, depending on stuff like strength of subtype + enneagram, instinctual stk., etc...it can create such a world of difference from your unconscious expectations. I have typed my uncle as 3Te-LSE, and of all the LSEs I have ever met you would think he were my conflictor. He is definitely LSE - not to be rude, but every stereotype you’ve ever heard about them describes him. And as some people read this I’m probably going to get the “oh, you’re not EII” “you mistyped” shpiel but it’s a real phenomenon that I’ve seen happen with almost every type and the reason I firmly believe in subtype as a factor of overall sociotype.

    Observation - the stronger the base subtype, the more that person actively implements their demonstrative in their activities. My hypothesis about it is that their HA and their PoLR are more developed (connected respectively to the Ignoring and Base), so they have a bit more “give” when pressured and expect the same from their duals. So Te-LSEs are using Se more conspicuously with less Si “cushioning” because they are oriented at Fi-EIIs, who can “take it.” Si-LSEs use it more often, but behind the scenes of Si so as to not hurt Ne-EII’s PoLR. I also notice that while EII-Ne still is Fi-base, we aren’t wired to give as much ethical support at our own expense to Te-sub LSEs as it seems they require. Somehow, no matter how dry the Te-subtype gets, it does not seem to hurt the Fi-subtype. Don’t know why, but at some point I need some sort of reciprocity, and both my Si-LSE and Ni-LIE cousins are good with knowing when to meet me in the middle. On the positive side, when a healthy Te-sub comes into my life, I find them very attractive, intelligent, and respectable individuals. Once you have gained their trust, they are often even more reliable than the other sub. My first real love was LSE-Te...

    My ILI-Te mom had a similar experience to what I had with my uncle when I was with my SEE-Se ex-boyfriend. Every single base sub of sociotype I have met has at least appeared to have a PoLR that is less sensitive to hits than the creative subtype, and this can be apparent even in duality. Not saying this as a generalization, just my experience.
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