Heres a question: what IS alpha about Dawkins? Superficial intellectual resemblence to Marx aside...
Heres a question: what IS alpha about Dawkins? Superficial intellectual resemblence to Marx aside...
Maybe. But he is LSI. And, if not, perhaps EIE.
Being fervent/zealous/impassioned is unfortunately not specific to Beta.
Logos basically hit it on the head. Dawkins, like Chomsky also, is a modern day Marx (not in ideology, but in means). Its called ALPHA NT.
The end is nigh
Marx's goal was the spread of communism, but his ability to spread it was limited in part by the freedoms of his age. He also faced an uphill battle with his poor finances, so he spent most of his time relying upon the patronage of Engels. He did not just write and sit on it, but he wrote and disseminated pamphlets, newspapers, and books. Dawkins is presented with mass media and the internet with a much greater ability to disseminate his views. But both were quite proactive in actively seeking to spread their views.Originally Posted by ifmd95
Try your cheap rhetoric on someone else. Just because I have not accepted your typing as the right on face value alone, does not mean that I have categorically rejected anything as of yet. I am still examining the evidence, and I will do so in my own time. I have read the God Delusion, and when I have more time to devote myself to the matter, then I will review it again as well as other pertinent videos and articles.
I mentioned Marx because of his discussion on religion, which was again part of Ezra's original series of questions. Looking at them again:
Yes an Alpha would do these things, because a number of prominent Alphas have done these things: Marx (ILE), Feuerbach (probable LII), Chomsky (Alpha NT), among others.Would an Alpha waltz around making documentaries about how the human race must be purged of religion in order to progress? Would an Alpha make grandiose and sweeping claims about how religion is the cause of all war and everything that is wrong in the world, and name his endeavour The Root of All Evil?? Would an Alpha call his book The God Delusion?
SEE and ILI both fail to account for Dawkins' friendship with Douglas Adams (ILE) and David Deutsch (ILE).A public figure may have a different face to the world than in private, so I'd still bet a penny or two (but not a full dime) on xNTp.
But Dawkins has learned to market himself and his ideas by acting and expressing himself in a way that people relate to, so I guess there's an effect where people - including me - will tend to identify him as closely to themselves as plausible.
Actually SEE seems most plausible to me, after NTp of some sort.
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well the way he seems to be trying to make people look stupid through his "persuasion" that atheism is the way to go, based on outside evidence and support in a certain video i saw... just pisses me off. i see no reasoning... i only see him using statistics and stuff. just outside support everywhere in this one video. forgot which one. lol.
but anyway... i don't think i know enough to decide what i think his type might be. i was actually thinking LSI today, just because his type of stubbornness reminds me a lot of a girl who i'm farely sure is LSI... or possibly i'm just mixing up my perceptions? maybe they're both LSE or something and i'm getting it all wrong!
i am determined to figure it out.
"If you can find out little melodies for yourself on the piano it is all very well. But if they come of themselves when you are not at the piano, then you have still greater reason to rejoice; for then the inner sense of music is astir in you. The fingers must make what the head wills, not vice versa."- Robert Schumann
"If you can find out little melodies for yourself on the piano it is all very well. But if they come of themselves when you are not at the piano, then you have still greater reason to rejoice; for then the inner sense of music is astir in you. The fingers must make what the head wills, not vice versa."- Robert Schumann
Hmm, I think ILE for him from that interview.
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If your sea chart does not match reality, go with reality (Old mariner saying)
WONDERFUL VIDEO!
"If you can find out little melodies for yourself on the piano it is all very well. But if they come of themselves when you are not at the piano, then you have still greater reason to rejoice; for then the inner sense of music is astir in you. The fingers must make what the head wills, not vice versa."- Robert Schumann
I won't pretend to deeply understand the difference, but to me it seems that Dawkins presents his arguments in a manner that is structured in a very Ni and Te manner (as opposed to Ne and Ti).
Greetings, ragnar
ILI knowledge-seeker
that's what i thought his type was when i first saw a video of him-- only switched; i thought TeNi.
but i'm strangely intrigued/drawn to-- the more i watch videos of him-- to his ideas and explanations, and i'm dying to give rebuttal to a good number of his little "arguments," (for lack of a better phrase) that i feel he wouldn't be able to counter. is this a result of a dual sort of... siphoning out the kinks in his thought process?
or perhaps completely overbearing his idea-- arguing, like in a super-ego relation, if he were indeed ENTj, which my first instinctual notion leaned towards.
maybe i'm getting ahead of myself though
it's a little overreaching to analyze for intertype relation with someone i haven't actually interacted with!
Last edited by pluie; 05-12-2009 at 12:24 AM. Reason: changed "receptive" to "intrigued/drawn to"
"If you can find out little melodies for yourself on the piano it is all very well. But if they come of themselves when you are not at the piano, then you have still greater reason to rejoice; for then the inner sense of music is astir in you. The fingers must make what the head wills, not vice versa."- Robert Schumann
Have you read the God Delusion?
No. I've seen Dawkins reading excerpts from it on youtube, though. I was mainly referring to the specific clip pluie linked to.
Greetings, ragnar
ILI knowledge-seeker
bump
TeNi is my current impression also.
Greetings, ragnar
ILI knowledge-seeker
gamma NT
no way he's an alpha type. I'm currently leaning a little more towards ILI though.
my ideas about socionics:
https://soziotypen.de/thoughts-on-socionics/
the section will be updated ever other month or so.
this is a VI thread with IEI examples
https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...-(IEI-edition)
and this is a thread with EIE examples
https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...s-EIE-examples
At 3:57 the creationist woman says "science is almost like a religion; everyone must believe what the scientists say". Lol, no one has to believe what scientists say because scientists have proofs that you can look up yourself, science is empirical, they aren't preaching anything. However, if you start from a place of denial and dogma it's normal you would feel forced to believe what scientists have to say. But yea that's the kind of absurd arguments you have to face if you're Richie. I vote for ILE-Ne for Richard. Any Ni type would have been "Ok it's hopeless, just believe what you want" by now.
Dude is ILE.
His videos where he drinks tea and reads letters practically seals the deal.
Barely any logics of actions in Dawkins work. His Self Gene is practically massive a Ti exclusive non-fiction. Computer modelling is the best they've got for Darwinism specification.
ILE seems pretty apparent. Probably Normalizing subtype.
my ideas about socionics:
https://soziotypen.de/thoughts-on-socionics/
the section will be updated ever other month or so.
this is a VI thread with IEI examples
https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...-(IEI-edition)
and this is a thread with EIE examples
https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...s-EIE-examples
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