Integral Type of Germany

[1981slater]

Northern Germany is ISTj subtype

Southern Germany is ISTj subtype

[Ezra]

Northern Germany is ISTj subtype

Southern Germany is ISTj subtype

East Germany is gay.

West is da best.

[Park]

Stereotypically, Germany is an LSI country.

I wonder which would be a stereotypical Delta or SLI country.

[1981slater]

Finland, Norway, China, Japan, Australia and Craftland

[unefille]

Finland, Norway, China, Japan, Australia and Craftland

You honestly think CHINA is a Delta ST country? That is values over and devalues and ??! Or Japan for that matter?

I can see the Scandinavian countries being Delta, though I'm not sure about ST. I think Australia is definitely SLI if anything.

[1981slater]

I dunno
Perhaps China and Japan are
Perhaps stereotypes mislead us

[unefille]

I dunno
Perhaps China and Japan are
Perhaps stereotypes mislead us

I don't think Japan is LSI; from my impressions when I was there, I would be more inclined to think Alpha quadra, but I was only there for a short period of time.

I'm not certain about LSI for China either, though Beta quadra is right, and LSI seems to fit best. Having grown up in China and Australia respectively, I can say of all things China might be, SLI/Delta is the least likely. There may be pockets of Delta values within China, as there may be of all quadras, but I do think and are correct: the overriding obsession with history, with imperial grandeur, with image/perception and 'power distance' (or hierarchy as it may be termed). Even the use of language in Chinese is largely concerned with metaphors and idioms; literal expression is devalued - what is valued is the use of highly obfuscated 'images' to convey one's meaning, which already indicates , and over .

[PotatoSpirit]

In the words of a friend of mine, likely ENTp: "everybody has his own little view, they are like ants, doing their little job and uninterested in anything else"

[unefille]

In the words of a friend of mine, likely ENTp: "everybody has his own little view, they are like ants, doing their little job and uninterested in anything else"

What country are you talking about?

[PotatoSpirit]

What country are you talking about?

Ahahahah I just thought "Unefille's gonna ask what country I'm talking about, if I answer to read the thread title she'll think I'm being hostile, or that I mind people hijacking my thread" then I forgot to come up with an adequate answer.

[unefille]

Ahahahah I just thought "Unefille's gonna ask what country I'm talking about, if I answer to read the thread title she'll think I'm being hostile, or that I mind people hijacking my thread" then I forgot to come up with an adequate answer.

Nonono, I thought you probably meant Germany since the thread's about Germany being LSI (and I shouldn't have gone off on a tangent about China anyway) but then I thought the description you gave vaguely sounded like what people might say about China anyway (although then, if both countries are LSI, that sort of makes sense), so I got confused.

[Creepy-Pied Piper]

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[Jarno]

I've read that from the people in Europe, the Germans are the top one rated who believe 911 was a conspiracy.

And since ISTJ are the prototype conspiracy theorist, I think it's another evidence that Germany is ISTJ.

[PotatoSpirit]

...

I agree with most of your observations, but with pretty much none of your socionics conclusions... we really have amazingly different ideas of what socionics is...

edit: sorry, PotatoSpirit

It did hurt, but I'll survive (c:

[Kristiina]

OOOohhhhhh! i HATE it when people jay-walk. I sometimes see people crossing the street in the most inappropriate places. If a person crosses a 5-lane street only 40m from a working traffic light then they're just asking for Darwin to intervene. But in town it's often difficult to tell if there's a car coming. Houses block view and there are hills and everything. Once I start crossing some car might come. Yeah, they'll slow down so I can pass, but that's not fair at all. If it's green for me, I assume they stop, so if it's green for them it would be so impolite to just keep walking in their way.

I kinda like the german description now.

[PotatoSpirit]

[Christy B]

geez. I'm never driving in Germany... :/

[PotatoSpirit]

Do you really mean LSIs like THAT?
...and you say IEEs are chaotic...?

ahaha no actually I think it's excessive, but it's kind of useful: in Italy they would have just used a forbidden stop sign, and lost a few hours of parking spaces.

[Ritella]

ahaha no actually I think it's excessive, but it's kind of useful: in Italy they would have just used a forbidden stop sign, and lost a few hours of parking spaces.

lol, yes. but, as if italians would even pay attention to the sign.

[Minde]

I don't think I'd want to live in Germany. And I don't think that just because of the traffic rules. I've seen some of their governmental policies and how it affects families, the types of families that I like and would want to have for myself.

[Park]

no way.
check this: http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/italy

[Kristiina]

no way.
check this: http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/italy
in Romania the same shit happens, except the "election" part, where every usual citizen supports the opposition and blames the government.
not nice and simple not at all!

haha, funny clip.

[olduser]

it sounds wonderful. i'd hang up my scofflaw ways to be a member of a functioning society.

[PotatoSpirit]

lol, yes. but, as if italians would even pay attention to the sign.

Uhm that would depend on the latitude, and they do write tickets here too (c:

no way.
check this: http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/italy

ahahah the election one was amazing (c:

[Singu]

Isn't Germany more of Delta ST? I've never been to Germany, but doesn't Germany care about quality, precision and punctuality? Isn't that Delta ST? I've heard that Switzerland was also like that... perhaps Swiss is also Delta ST...

[FDG]

Isn't Germany more of Delta ST? I've never been to Germany, but doesn't Germany care about quality, precision and punctuality? Isn't that Delta ST? I've heard that Switzerland was also like that... perhaps Swiss is also Delta ST...

One word: ******

[Singu]

So... I think that any country can go through a period of... something like Nazism. And are my points invalid because of ******... I don't know... probably not.

[Creepy-Cyclops]

If I hear someone on the street with a German accent, I physically assault them.

[Airman]

If I hear someone on the street with a German accent, I physically assault them.

why so? have you been physically assaulted by some german?

I´m not sure abt. Socionics type, but in the Enneagram , Germany is type 1, perfectionistic, rigid, serious, etc etc.

funny that the hidden agenda of ESTJ is 'to be perfect', which is exactly the 'motivation' of type 1 in the enneagram.

[FDG]

It's worth mentioning the reputation for German brands in being of the highest quality among other competitors, depending on the commodity.

That's because they like to give them this reputation, exploiting the german stereotype. They aren't actually any more qualitative than french, polish, italian, austrian, swiss, spanish brands. It's just that germanic-language people love to feel like they're the best at everything.

[discojoe]

Germans are good at making beer and camera lenses.

[Rebelondeck]

Germany does seem to have an ISTj-like work-ethic although there're no more ISTjs in Germany than any other country; the world also seems marvel at them being able to pull on oars in unison. Most that I've worked with certainly did wear an ISTj-like mien in the workplace. It's as if they have to not only follow the rules but be seen as accepting the rules regardless of what they think; disagreement must always go through the service entrance where it will be inspected closely. On their own time, the persona usually comes off like a uniform unless management is nearby.

a.k.a. I/O

[Bethanyclaire]

Love visiting Berlin but couldn’t live there. (People not friendly enough, although they do have a crazy side) I love walking around the city with all its clean lines and block patterns and random, pretty old stuff. Nothing beats their techno. And house music. They make partying an art form. I love how much respect the city has for the arts in general. Art is for everyone there, it seems. Beautiful murals, beautiful cafes, a general respect for night life.

But paradoxically, they have really strict door policies for the clubs (mainly to stop tourists coming and ruining the scene, stopping good business from ticking over?) but you do have to queue for ages and it is kinda restrictive and sad that people who want to be involved will get left out. The thing is, once you’re inside the clubs it’s feels like a haven of acceptance (the atmosphere and vibe). I’ve only been on a few trips there but it stays with you. It’s like they make people submit into learning and following the rules to get in or finding an ally who can help you, but once you do, you’re rewarded for your efforts into the most serene yet crazy environment you’ll ever encounter! I guess part of that is due to the relief and joy of getting in, and being ready to enjoy every minute like it was the last night of your life I think even Berliners who respect the door policy, find it hard to talk about Berghain, the best and strictest by far of the lot. Like they know it’s kinda wrong and maybe they rarely even get to go there, but they accept it I guess :s

[The Reality Denialist]

Everyone knows that germs are stunted peeps who love to get sucked in uniform thought. That sounds very Ne PoLR. They live for their ideational destiny let it be national socialism or anti national socialism. Any outbreaks from that is heresy.

This is freaking Lidl grocery store germ thing that landed here is also rigid af. All uniform.

[on a peaceful hiatus]

germany is delta with light gamma values. will write a longer post tomorrow. the country doesn't value Se at all. AFD is the only beta party in germany. all other major parties (CDU, CSU, Grüne, SPD) are dominated by delta types, with some alpha SF types, and Merkel is the only alpha NT type.

after WW2, which was initiated by beta, there was a need for over accuracy and bureaucracy coming from the post-war disorder leading into a total overregulation of everything. one problem we have is that the personality types choosing to work in governance are the least willing to change or adapt. we are dominated by normalising subtypes. there are rules everwhere, technology is totally outdated, but no one is willing to change the rules, because "that's how things are done".

I think germany's integral types at the moment arr SLI-N/LSE-N

Isn't Germany more of Delta ST? I've never been to Germany, but doesn't Germany care about quality, precision and punctuality? Isn't that Delta ST? I've heard that Switzerland was also like that... perhaps Swiss is also Delta ST...

singu is right.

[xerx]

germany is delta with light gamma values. will write a longer post tomorrow. the country doesn't value Se at all. AFD is the only beta party in germany. all other major parties (CDU, CSU, Grüne, SPD) are dominated by delta types, with some alpha SF types, and Merkel is the only alpha NT type.

after WW2, which was initiated by beta, there was a need for over accuracy and bureaucracy coming from the post-war disorder leading into a total overregulation of everything. one problem we have is that the personality types choosing to work in governance are the least willing to change or adapt. we are dominated by normalising subtypes. there are rules everwhere, technology is totally outdated, but no one is willing to change the rules, because "that's how things are done".

Here's why that mindset is counterproductive: stereotypes are based on dark, salacious, or embarrassing themes. When people think about Japan, they think about karoshi and pedophile businessmen. When they think about Italy, they think about the mafia. Germans, OTOH, have done everything in their power to seem upright, lawful, and steadfast in order to scrub their reputations clean.

What are Germans known for? Umm..... efficiency and productivity. Efficient at what? Murdering Jooz.

[on a peaceful hiatus]

maybe to continue where I left off yesterday. Berlin, out of all the cities in germany, probably leans towards beta the most. lots of beta NF types here, a stronger focus on art and expression. beta ST types working as doorman for clubs, but it depends in what district you hang around. Kreuzberg and Neukölln have in my opinion a stronger beta influence. kurfürstendamm leans more towards gamma, with a lot of shops that sell expensive brands like gucci and chanel. and then you have prenzlauer berg which is heavily influenced by delta. gulenko thinks germany's integral type is LSI but I think he's viewing the country through an eastern european lense. putin, lukashenko, orbán, a lot of the leaders are beta ST types, but in germany there isn't really a lot of competition or supression going on at the moment. we are rather dominated by delta Fi values. "you can't say that in public" kind of Fi. "that statement is controversial, keep it to yourself". beta is more about expressing their views openly, even when they are politically incorrect. the leading party CDU is dominated be delta ST types. the political system is extremly boring. very long discussions about minor things are very common. the second biggest party SPD is funnily also dominated by delta ST types. the green party is dominated by delta NF types. there aren't just many types that find the current political enviroment interesting enough to get involved, especially not beta types. delta NF values have a strong inluence here, but new ideas rarely get implemented. things like homeopathy are state subsidized. everything is focused on maintaining the status quo. places like bayern are even more traditional, and they are proud of that. the two leading politicians there are markus söder and horst seehofer, who are imo both SLI.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...S%C3%B6der.jpg

Fe is nonexistent in this country, and it obviously could be that some LSI work in administration so you come in contact with them and their rules.

hmm I wanted to structure the message in a different way but I'm running out of time so I will just send it I guess.

[InterPrizeWes]

Smart scholars abound in plentiful abundance in this rather thoughtful and telescope like refurbishing of the pipe dream picnic over moody deluges of concern for art and smiles.

Germans are clinical and sharp, composed, non over stating pressure and stress. Then they dive into sunbeam after lighthouse of quiet resting states to finally metamorphize into lucidity.