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    I wouldn't be surprised if you decided that you were INFj. I've always thought that you were Alpha/Delta.

    I don't think I've ever known an Ne-INFj, at least not well, but I lived with someone who I think was an Fi-INFj for a year. Best way that I could describe him would be that he was really quiet most of time, but would ask me lots of questions (on sports, how to fix things, health, etc.) He was into group activities (frat, football every week, etc.) The last sentence probably isn't useful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Subterranean View Post
    So, perhaps munenori is an example of the Ne subtype, and Minde, rockclimber and Sereno are example of the Fi subtype? Munenori reminds me of the two people I've met who I'm pretty certain are INFjs - I also found that someone here had typed Stephen Merchant as a INFj a while ago (though this wasn't followed up) - I think all these people give off a similar vibe.

    If I'm an INFj, then I would almost certainly be a Ne subtype - though people have said in the past that this is impossible, as they have the perception that my behavior best fits in with the Alpha quadra rather than the Delta quadra. I think possibly people may think I have an irrational temperament, and that I must therefore be an ENTp. I think it is possible that I have an irrational temperament, though I would make Boo Radley seem extroverted in comparision and I don't think INFp is much of an option (though I haven't really considered it). So, I'm pretty certain I'm a INxj Ne subtype...though ISTj has been implied (I think 'meh').

    Basically, do people think me being an INFj is impossible (say, compared to me being an INTj)? This thread should possibly be in the 'What's My Type' section, but I wanted to address the issue of how different subtypes of INFjs (and INTjs) might seem.
    I don't really know what subtype I would fall into, and in a way, I really don't care (not saying this in a nasty way). Also, I think that the whole "looking for your type" thing is annoying, especially when it's done through the internet. I look at it as being something you need to do alone, since nobody knows you as much as yourself... Also, the mass confusion that I see about typing also has to do with the mathematical intertype relations: "We are X relation, so X is supposed to happen." "You can't be X, because we get along." Add all this to the fact that people are organic and they grow with experience and age, covering potential weaknesses in time. The only thing I can tell you, if my opinion here really matters, is that you should read up on the types and see which you identify the most. That's basically it.

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    You forgot Eunice, who says she is Ne subtype
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    Quote Originally Posted by UDP View Post
    You forgot Eunice, who says she is Ne subtype
    And Christy, tereg, and Danielle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Subterranean View Post
    Basically, do people think me being an INFj is impossible (say, compared to me being an INTj)?
    I think you're almost certainly either INTj or INFj. You have always given off an Ne-creative vibe imo. It may not be the most reliable or helpful thing, but you remind me an awful lot of my brother, who if I had to guess a subtype is INTj-Ne.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Subterranean View Post
    If I'm an INFj, then I would almost certainly be a Ne subtype - though people have said in the past that this is impossible, as they have the perception that my behavior best fits in with the Alpha quadra rather than the Delta quadra. I think possibly people may think I have an irrational temperament, and that I must therefore be an ENTp. I think it is possible that I have an irrational temperament, though I would make Boo Radley seem extroverted in comparision and I don't think INFp is much of an option (though I haven't really considered it). So, I'm pretty certain I'm a INxj Ne subtype...though ISTj has been implied (I think 'meh').
    You posted once a very, very lengthy description of yourself, your thoughts, how you see people, the world, your relationship to them, etc. That was all over.

    What people say is your "Alpha behavior" is your focus on , aiming, so it seems, at making people laugh -- but isn't it at least as much for your own amusement? Anyway, there are similarities with cracka and Bionicgoat, for instance, who also use (but also with , lots of it), hence the "Alpha behavior" -- but your self-description makes so obvious, that I think INFj is much, much more likely than INTj. So INFj-Ne if you will.
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    The INFj profiles always go on about 'sprituality', morals, good and evil and that sort of thing - I don't really like the word 'spirituality' - it seems too much out of the ether. Questions concerning 'good' and 'evil' are very important to me, but I despise the use of those terms, because either good and evil acts are obvious, in which they needn't be pointed out, or they aren't obvious, in which case the words are too strong. But I try to be really good and not surprisingly, I fail miserably. And if I can't succeed or even know what the 'good' thing to do is, I can't really expect others to do so either. So, having that kind of perspective may seem very INFj-like. But I have always considered this a logical position to have. The INFj descriptions also tend to describe them as optimistic in the long-term, but people are usually telling me to cheer up or that I have an extremely sick mind - I say things like 'Go on, do it...what's the worst that could happen? Well actually, there a million things that could go wrong...including...' and so on.

    If Eunice is a INFj Ne subtype, I can't really see myself being the same - I don't have a clue about the 'other' INFjs, though Danielle's may seem reminiscent of mine, possibly. I identify more with the probable INTj Ne subtypes on this forum more than the INFjs in general (That may have something to do with subtypes, or possibly my brain?).

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    I've always thought of you as either an ENTp or ENFp. Do you figure you have more of an Ij temperment? I'm wondering why you're going with INFj>ENFp. Or, for that matter, INTj>ENTp.
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    Ne's probably a given. At least valuing it if not in the ego. But, could somebody point me to examples of Sub's Fi?
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    The intuitive subtype definitely sounds more like me than the ethical.. although we're talking nuances. .

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    "Real life" example of an INFj-Ne.




    This video mentions the MBTI type INFP, but this person is INFj-Ne nevertheless, and the focus of the video is not necessarily the description of INFP in MBTI.

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    EII-Fi examples

    Stoya


    Amy Ryan


    Kate Moss


    Adrien Brody



    Loreena McKennitt
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Qfq7EjjYO8
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    EII-Ne examples
    http://wikisocion.org/en/index.php?title=EII_subtypes

    Holliday Grainger


    Cate Blanchett


    John Green


    John Oliver



    Oliver Sacks
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AnuxDdg2II
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    Strangely enough, I'm Fi EII at distance then Ne EII at close contact

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    Default Differences between subtypes

    What's the difference between the EII-Fi subtype and the Ne subtype? Real life examples would be very much appreciated

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    Default EII Ne VS EII Fi

    From the article from DarkAngelFireWolf69, there is an idea that Dominant Type have important goals and they have hard time when their current reality is not in tune with these goal.

    I'm asking myself what's exactly the difference with the Creative subtype, who is interested only into his favorite activity, where his creation can shine. In reality, it give the same kind of behavior or I didn't understand ?

    I'm trying to know if I'm dominant or Creative. I don't know, in discord I'm the only one always discussing idea, trying to reformulate things, I asking myself if I'm creative. Someone who I could identify as dominant would be far more direct with his first function (for example saying if my idea is bullshit with no argumentation).

    At the end all my creativity is directed toward my Fi ideal, but I don't express my Fi directly as I try to keep a kind of statu quo where no one fight each other (Ill not say "your idea is bullshit, Christanity is better" with no argument or stuff like that wich I identify somewhat more with someone who have good faith of his Fi -wich seems to be integrating moral created by other for some-)

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    Idk, but just a quick and dirty look, EII-Ne is probably more funny than EII-Fi and EII-Fi is probably more serious than EII Ne.
    That was atleast a huge factor for me to determine between the 1. Once EII-Fi description said they have a hard time coming up with and understanding jokes I knew that was not me. Ne is all about jokes.

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    D & H needs to be connected with life around them probably much more than C & N.

    Dynamic subtypes live by it. For me to be needed or to have some sort of goal to go towards are quite essential pieces in life itself.


    Whereas static subtypes might do work something that is quite fringe stuff or routine and at the core be OK with that if everything else is OK.

    I have ditched the possibility of having static subtype based on that.
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    The only differences among a type and its two sub-types are processing times; the ideal is having a natural equal balance of time spent on input (Ne) and output (Fi). If more time is spent on one or the other, the imbalance will likely create processing inefficiencies in that net effectiveness will be reduced. For example, I'm a Ti-subtype and am less effective overall because I spend too much time on rationalization but my imbalance may be ideal for a very narrow set of circumstances. Inefficiencies don't change core processes or processing priorities although they may affect outward appearances somewhat - one has to be careful about interpretation of observed behaviours......

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