Examples of possible famous/celebrity ESIs-ISFjs

[Megan]

Picard is very private and quiet. All about the ethics of duty and hard work. He's in to calling people cowards and idiots, telling Wesley to shut up, and shouting at timid little ensigns. He's pretty obviously ISFj.

some ENTjs are quiet right? And they do share ISFj values etc. Do you think he and dr crusher might be duals?

[discojoe]

Cersei from A Song of Ice and Fire.



And Jon Snow too.

[discojoe]

Picard is very private and quiet. All about the ethics of duty and hard work. He's in to calling people cowards and idiots, telling Wesley to shut up, and shouting at timid little ensigns. He's pretty obviously ISFj.

some ENTjs are quiet right? And they do share ISFj values etc. Do you think he and dr crusher might be duals?

Possibly, but I would argue that Crusher is the ENTj.

[discojoe]

Peter Pevensie from the Narnia books.

[Creepy-male]

Just for the sake of another point of view on Darth Vader, is anything about the idea of the "force" considered sensing, its always seemed very to me.

Whats your problem? don't roll your eyes at me, its just an alternate point of view, relax your sphincter muscles and make a valid point instead of just roll your eyes, it makes me think you do it not because of what I say but because of me, now honestly do you really think the idea of the force isn't ? If so thats fine I am prepared to learn from an alternate point of view, but you got to learn to communicate with words not rolling your eyes.

[Creepy-male]

Surely not all Jedis are the same type? Come on.

No I wasn't saying all Jedis are , but I am saying the idea of the force is very , personally I think the whole idea of Jedis is very Intuitive. I think most types of character in Star Wars that are jedi are modeled with a slightly intuitive vibe in mind.

[Creepy-bg]

the Jedi's seemed to me to value a well rounded approach... strength of all functions

[Creepy-male]

I dunno, to me its seems like they develop overall strength through intuitive means.

[Megan]

Picard is very private and quiet. All about the ethics of duty and hard work. He's in to calling people cowards and idiots, telling Wesley to shut up, and shouting at timid little ensigns. He's pretty obviously ISFj.

some ENTjs are quiet right? And they do share ISFj values etc. Do you think he and dr crusher might be duals?

Possibly, but I would argue that Crusher is the ENTj.

I am back to thinking Picard is possibly an ENTj rather than ISFj. He seems too open to the novelty of Counselor Deanna Troi and too open to acting on her ideas and intuitions to be an ISFj.

[discojoe]

Picard is very private and quiet. All about the ethics of duty and hard work. He's in to calling people cowards and idiots, telling Wesley to shut up, and shouting at timid little ensigns. He's pretty obviously ISFj.

some ENTjs are quiet right? And they do share ISFj values etc. Do you think he and dr crusher might be duals?

Possibly, but I would argue that Crusher is the ENTj.

I am back to thinking Picard is possibly an ENTj rather than ISFj. He seems too open to the novelty of Counselor Deanna Troi and too open to acting on her ideas and intuitions to be an ISFj.

I find Troi novel and comforting too, for what it's worth. Remember it's an enlightened epoch of humanity and people are more open-minded, plus Troi is obviously a wise person whose counsel is valuable to someone like Picard. This is not beyond ISFjs to notice; they are more threatened by something they feel they cannot control, which a captain in Starfleet doesn't have to worry about amongst his personnel.

[discojoe]

I dunno, to me its seems like they develop overall strength through intuitive means.

Eh, I'm not sure how this pertains to socionics.

[Khamelion]

I agree with Peter.


Especially on Gandafl, Peter from the Chronicles of Narnia, and Jon Snow.



Jon Snow is my favorite male character in The Song of Ice and Fire, aside from Tyrion Lannister. Dany is my favorite female.


I agree with Peter because I think he is right, nothing more. Give me vaild arguements and I may change my mind.
You are all idiots if you think I agree with him for other reasons.


Although, I've also concidered INTj for Jon Snow for some reason.

[Creepy-male]

I dunno, to me its seems like they develop overall strength through intuitive means.

Eh, I'm not sure how this pertains to socionics.

I dunno I guess I forget conversation not tied into socionics is forbidden, it was more of a response to Bionicgoat.

[Expat]

Picard is very private and quiet. All about the ethics of duty and hard work. He's in to calling people cowards and idiots, telling Wesley to shut up, and shouting at timid little ensigns. He's pretty obviously ISFj.

some ENTjs are quiet right? And they do share ISFj values etc. Do you think he and dr crusher might be duals?

Possibly, but I would argue that Crusher is the ENTj.

I am back to thinking Picard is possibly an ENTj rather than ISFj. He seems too open to the novelty of Counselor Deanna Troi and too open to acting on her ideas and intuitions to be an ISFj.

I find Troi novel and comforting too, for what it's worth. Remember it's an enlightened epoch of humanity and people are more open-minded, plus Troi is obviously a wise person whose counsel is valuable to someone like Picard. This is not beyond ISFjs to notice; they are more threatened by something they feel they cannot control, which a captain in Starfleet doesn't have to worry about amongst his personnel.

I had never thought of that, but Crusher as ENTj and Picard as ISFj makes sense imo.

As for his reacting to Troi, I don't think that has anything to do with , particularly the kind of that bothers ISFjs. In the context of that universe, Troi's "intuitions" are not but actually real information, since she has telepathic abilities. The kind of that annoys Picard is seen rather in his interactions with Q.

[aestrivex]

how could troi not be ?

[discojoe]

how could troi not be ?

Agreed.

Agreed also with Expat about Q.

[Exodus]

Yeah, Q has to be ENTp.

It reminds me of the list of the benefits of each relation, where (paraphrasing) Conflictors are supposed to make you face the demands of reality.

[Megan]

Good points. I agree that Q seems ENTp, I guess given what seems like a conflicting relationship between Q and Picard, then Picard could be ISFj.

[astralsilky]

Diane Lane ... I consider her to be INTp. She has a cool beauty and the inner INTp sparkle.

Picard could be ISFj.

Maybe Tim Curry along with Michael Caine, and

James Barbour (the guy on the right)



He was really funny in Alchemy. His demeanor reminded me of Tim Curry.

[astralsilky]

Diane Lane ... I consider her to be INTp. She has a cool beauty and the inner INTp sparkle.

Picard could be ISFj.

Maybe Tim Curry along with Michael Caine, and

James Barbour (the guy on the right)



He was really funny in Alchemy. His demeanor reminded me of Tim Curry.

[discojoe]

God, you missed the mark again Expat! How could you not notice Lane's cool beauty and inner INTp sparkle? I'm never listening to you again.

[discojoe]

God, you missed the mark again Expat! How could you not notice Lane's cool beauty and inner INTp sparkle? I'm never listening to you again.

[aestrivex]

God, you missed the mark again Expat! How could you not notice Lane's cool beauty and inner INTp sparkle? I'm never listening to you again.

lol

[aestrivex]

God, you missed the mark again Expat! How could you not notice Lane's cool beauty and inner INTp sparkle? I'm never listening to you again.

lol

[discojoe]

Beatrix Kiddo

[discojoe]

Beatrix Kiddo

[Expat]

Yes. It's an indirect proof of Quentin Tarantino as ENTj, that his "ultimate heroine" is an ISFj.

[Expat]

Yes. It's an indirect proof of Quentin Tarantino as ENTj, that his "ultimate heroine" is an ISFj.

[Expat]

Queen Noor of Jordan



Wife of Jordan's King Hussein, who I think was ENTj. Theirs seemed to be a typical ENTj-ISFj dual marriage.

Even her favorite pictures (in her website) suggest Ni and Se:

[Expat]

Ayaan Hirsi Ali

[Dioklecian]

Ayaan Hirsi Ali

I agree with this.

[Expat]

I have made a small change --

[s:1b217bbc4b]Jimmy Carter[/s:1b217bbc4b], US president EDIT: I am reconsedering him for the moment --




I will re-think what I know of Carter and get back to this.

[aestrivex]

why? what about carter has changed your mind?

[Expat]

I am wondering if he's not of a Fe-Ti quadra rather than Fi-Te, but it's complicated.

[implied]

considering ava gardner for ISFj, based off v.i. and a few quotes. ESFp maybe as well?


ava gardner pictures

[astralsilky]

How about

Lauren Bacall

[Expat]

I had already included Bacall in the list, on the first page of the thread --

[Expat]

Meg Ryan

[Expat]

Mary Pickford

[Creepy-bg]

Meg Ryan

thank you for choosing a good picture of her... she was so beautifull before whatever happened