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Malyshka




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Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2004 6:47 pm Post subject: ISFP (c) socioniko.narod.ru

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Sensory-ethical introvert
(irrational)
ISFp
Dumas, The Mediator

Alexandre Dumas Sr. - the French writer.

1. He is amicable, always appears optimistic and in a good spirits. He does not impose his will on others, hiding his real feelings. He is always equally warm, caring, smiling. He does not like to ask and moreover to demand favors, and strives to satisfy his needs through his own efforts.

2. He appreciates all the facets of life, finely experiences nature and the arts. He is capable of remembering and reproducing emotions once experienced. Ayvazovsky painted his seascapes in a room with dark red walls and windows looking out in the opposite direction of the sea. He loves pleasures and knows how to bestow them – an artist in loving.

3. Attentive and considerate. Tries not to infringe on others’ comfort. His very quick and consciously controlled emotional reactions aim to test or alter the emotions of the others. This results in many jokes – if they are out of turn he immediately takes them back. He is permanently in the process of emotional creativity, searching for the most effective ways to activate his partner. With exceptional ardor he manipulates the moods of his friends and relatives.

4. Peacemaker. He dislikes to quarrel, say “no”, break undesired acquaintances – this is why he avoids sticky people. He needs a partner, who under certain circumstances will also not quarrel, but just slam the door and leave. This is just how his dual, Don Quixote, will act. It’s noteworthy that Alexander Dumas (the great French novelist) picked Ida Ferrier out of the many of his mistresses, because she kept him at a longer leash than the others.

5. Who needs what? He remarks people’s needs, what motivates them, enjoys persuading everyone and winning them over to his side. But he needs his dual in order to know, whom he must convince and of what, because his dual possesses insights into potential capabilities of people, ideas, and undertakings.

6. He does not like to make people aware of his existence while there is no need of him. He strives neither to stand out as an advanced man nor to lag too far behind. He does not like to compete, shows initiative only on his own “territory”. He prefers that in his family initiative and responsibility belong to his partner, even if he is the one to carry everything out. An interesting fact: before Alexander Dumas The Father began writing "The Three Musketeers", "The Count of Monte-Cristo" and many other books, his secret co-author Max wrote their drafts.

7. "A tender calf is nursed by two cows." When he feels lousy, he is compelled to hide somewhere and recuperate. His mood is spoiled making him incapable of manipulating people, without this communication seems meaningless to him.

Your dual (psychologically complementary type): Don Quixote, The Searcher (intuitive-logical extrovert).

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Malyshka




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Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2004 6:48 pm Post subject: ISFP (c) Gulenko

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ISFPs have a characteristic stout or chubby, rounded figure. They often have short legs and a bouncy gait, giving the impression of a big springy ball. Their faces are usually smooth and round without any obvious projections. Sometimes ISFPs can have slightly upturned noses. Their eyes are often round. Their mouths sometimes have an uneven line. In moments of passionate conversation they often swallow air like a fish.

When ISFPs try to explain things, they can move their eyebrows considerably. This is the reason why they often have horizontal wrinkles on their forehead. ISFPs generally appear to be soft-hearted, but can become quite assertive if required. Their facial expression can change suddenly and unexpectedly from friendly one to a stern one, especially when they wish to distance themselves psychologically from someone. ISFPs are often inclined to give advise concerning will power and initiative.

ISFPs have a well developed aesthetic taste. Their clothes are usually neat, colourful and radiate a warm, comfortable feeling. They like to touch things in order to appreciate their physical qualities. When interacting with others ISFPs try to maintain a closeness. They are often outwardly sociable, charming and friendly. They know well how to endear themselves to others and how to make people trust them. They prefer to interact in a democratic fashion, avoiding the spotlight.

ISFPs do not usually try to push friendships. If they feel that a person does not want to establish contact with them they do not insist. They usually make just one attempt and if it is not successful they hardly ever try again. They maintain contact only with people that they find interesting. ISFPs find it fairly difficult to interact with people that they dislike, even if it goes against their interests. In these situations they lose their personal magnetism, and their speech may become unintelligible.

ISFPs enjoy gathering and sharing interacting facts and news. However, they always add a certain degree of colour to their narrative hoping to make it more interesting. This is the reason that ISFPs are rarely caught telling a story the same way twice. They can easily talk about a single subject for a considerable amount of time, especially about their recent experiences. They also like to read a variety of newspapers.

ISFPs do not like to unload their problems on others. When asked "How are you?" they usually reply that they are fine regardless of weather they are or not. ISFPs do not like to make promises. If someone asks them for their help they will often reply "I cannot promise but I will try..." or "If I can..." If they were not able to fulfil a promise they will continually apologise until they feel that they have been forgiven.

ISFPs have a strong desire to experience as much as they can and to enjoy themselves as much as possible. They love spending time and having fun with their friends, often joking and playing pranks. They do not like to be the centre of attention, but they also do not like to be too far away from where it is all happening. ISFPs behaviour can be so independent and original that they may confuse and bewilder other people. Because of this people can consider ISFPs to be light-minded.

ISFPs can usually only be productive when working for themselves. In all other cases it is rare for them to work hard. They try their best to avoid strenuous physical exercises wherever possible, unless it is in the course of a particular sporting activity that they enjoy.

Another behavioural pattern peculiar to ISFPs is their tendency to try and stay in the middle. To be neither the best or to be the worst. This is the reason that they do not like to openly criticise people and do not get involved in confrontations. ISFPs always try to keep well away from bosses and other authoritative figures. They do not like briefings and other boring business meetings. They try to negotiate on an informal level using only safe and reliable acquaintances. ISFPs try to maintain peaceful relations with everybody.

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Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2004 6:46 pm Post subject:

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Could you put here the subtypes descriptions? I've read 'em, but i am not the best to write them down.

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Malyshka




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Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2004 7:07 pm Post subject:

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male21 wrote:
Could you put here the subtypes descriptions? I've read 'em, but i am not the best to write them down.


I'm gonna put them under each type - as soon as I translate them. And unfortunately I don't have much time for that.

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Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2004 7:39 pm Post subject: ISFP - subtypes (c) Gulenko

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1) communicator

Emotional and sociable communicator can easily become a part of any company and seems to be an extrovert. He loves convenient loose clothes to which he is not exacting – he may wear quite shabby ones. He is artistic, can frequently be the ringleader. Finds nimself in amateur performances, may be a musician, an actor, an advertising agent.

2) selector

He has a good aesthetic taste which can be seen through the way he dresses and decorates interior and through the applied arts he takes interests in. Selectors can quite frequently be landscape painters, they like painting and still life. Selector’s a connoisseur of well-being, comfort is very important for him. It(he) the sybarite, watches(keeps up) the appearance. Being a hedonist he likes giving pleasure to both himself and the others.

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Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2004 5:36 pm Post subject:

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I am very agressive in my postings @least it seems that way after a day i wrote them

I'm thankfull, Milyshka, that you put socionics material up here. Your material is very usefull.

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Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2004 5:38 pm Post subject:

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Oh God I wrote Malyshaks name as Milyshka. Milyi means darling in Russian

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Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2004 9:55 am Post subject:

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Hello everyone!

I have some questions about ISFPs since I have a problem determining their type:

1. How to efficiently determine an ISFP with Visual Identification or with other tools?

2. Does anyone know any famous ISFPs with pictures if possible?
Here is one link from Ganin's page: http://www.socionics.com/advan/famous.htm

3. Can Malyshka (when you have time ) or some other of our dear Russian folk translate female descriptions from http://www.socionics.org/type/type_women.html#@entp ? Please don't use Babelfish or other similar engines.

Thanks

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Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2004 10:45 am Post subject:

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Don Quixote wrote:
Hello everyone!

3. Can Malyshka (when you have time ) or some other of our dear Russian folk translate female descriptions from http://www.socionics.org/type/type_women.html#@entp ? Please don't use Babelfish or other similar engines.

Thanks


This place is reserved for the translation

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Malyshka




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Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2004 11:19 am Post subject:

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Damn it ((: Forgot to log in again...

Then this place is reserved for translation. But imho those descriptions are a bit far away from reality... at least some of them...

Nick: Alice

Alice does not dress either fashionable, nor comfortable - she simply does not understand what’s that. She classifies clothes according to their end use: for having a walk, for going to the theatre, for work... She does’n prefer one particular color but tries to dress so that all the details of her clothes are of one tone (in this manner she hides her weak understanding of color harmony). She buys things obeying a sudden impulse and immediately begins to regret about it - because somewherethe same thing is probably for sale, but is better and cheaper.

Notwithstanding the common stereotype, Alice learns the basics of social behaviour much easier than male Quichote.. She tries to be equal and indulgently friendly with everyone, and all the unflattering epithets concerning associates she keeps to herself. She willingly tries to establish contacts frequently even taking the initiative. When making acquaintance she does not attach significance to people’s appearances or to eloquence. She’s interested in much more significant things and don’t even doubt - your person will be subject to a thorough analysis (from potency to financial status). In case of any suspicions Alice won’t intimate the relations till she makes certain that evetything’s all right. If she has agreed to date with you, it does not mean that she will come, but only that she has agreed. But starting at the first meeting she may allow you to go quite far, just out of curiosity...


(Is this the info you needed? If yes I'll translate it all)

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Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2004 12:17 pm Post subject:

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Malyshka wrote:
Damn it ((: Forgot to log in again...

Then this place is reserved for translation. But imho those descriptions are a bit far away from reality... at least some of them...

Nick: Alice

Alice does not ....
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(Is this the info you needed? If yes I'll translate it all)


They are a bit corny, but they are the only female descriptions that I have found, and somehow I find it more difficult to type women than men. If you have anything better put that instead this. English translation of different dual relationship would also be nice to have somewhere.

Isn't Alice an ENTP?
Thanks

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Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2004 1:25 pm Post subject:

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Don Quixote wrote:
English translation of different dual relationship would also be nice to have somewhere.


as far as possible I'll do all relationship by various authors in the respective section. First part (c) Gulenko is alreadi in Metaiwan's theme
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Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2004 2:01 pm Post subject:

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Malyshka wrote:
Don Quixote wrote:
English translation of different dual relationship would also be nice to have somewhere.


as far as possible I'll do all relationship by various authors in the respective section. First part (c) Gulenko is alreadi in Metaiwan's theme


I'm awfully sorry , but for some weird reason all the pages at www.socionics.org have the same web address. It is at socionics.org/socionics/ and it is called Dualization of the Types. It has descriptions of ENTP-ISFP, ENTJ-ISFJ, and other dual relationships.

Thanks, thanks, thanks, ...

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Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2004 5:52 pm Post subject:

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They also have the description of the different dual relations, in English, at Dmitri's site.

http://socioniko.narod.ru/