Ellen Degeneres

[Ms. Kensington]

http://www.cnn.com/SHOWBIZ/Movies/99....degeneres.jpg

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so sometimes i scare myself because i feel attracted to her, and i would be if she was a guy.

I thought she was ENTp at first but i remember some interview with her where she said she hated how her dad would drive the car until the gas was on empty, while I guess she feels that she has to have a full tank all the time. This isn't something i could place easily just yet as a type.

[Slacker]

I adore her. She is hilarious.



She's got an "aw shucks" way about her. And she is very into social issues.

[Exodus]

Ip, and not ISFp.

[science as magic]

dom for sure

[Saoshyant]

Bumpity Bump.

Duality alert...

Ellen - ESFp

and her partner Portia De Rossia (Arrested Development)- INTp

[Marie84]

comes across as IEE to me, even looks and acts like the female equivalent of an IEE buddy from uni

[1981slater]

IEE Fi!

[Simon Ssmall]

I like her, she makes me happy. I agree she is probably IEE.

[Pa3s]

Portia De Rossia (Arrested Development)- INTp

Seriously? I've seen her in Better Off Ted and didn't think of this type for her, although her role seemed quite a bit Gamma. Well, I actually don't have an alternative, but ILI wouldn't have come to my mind first.

[Galen]

Degeneres seems like a pretty good ENFp bet. She reminds me a bit of Zach Braff in terms of energy, although she a tough VI regardless of her type.

Di Rossi kinda makes me think ESTp, but that would be weird considering her albeit brief marriage to Degeneres.

[Saoshyant]

Seriously? I've seen her in Better Off Ted and didn't think of this type for her, although her role seemed quite a bit Gamma. Well, I actually don't have an alternative, but ILI wouldn't have come to my mind first.

I did not mean to type her 'character' on Arrested Development, but her as a person. Hope that clears up any confusion.

[Pa3s]

I did not mean to type her 'character' on Arrested Development, but her as a person.

Sure, I knew you wanted to type the real person. (I didn't watch the show you mentioned anyway.) I just don't know enough about her personally to make a judgement, she just seemed not to be ILI at the first glance imo. You can be right, after all.

[Saoshyant]

Note Ellen's similarities (voice rhythm and tone) with this ESFp:

[krieger]

Always struck me as ENFp.

[Logos]

Ellen? IEE.

[Suz]

Note Ellen's similarities (voice rhythm and tone) with this ESFp:

YouTube - raise your hand if you're a ESFP

That's an MBTI ESFP typing, silly!! The girl in the video would have to be retyped socionically. Her type is not jumping out at me. I actually dont see too much similarity in her demeanor vs Ellen's.

And I also think Ellen is ENFp. Ne-ENFp I think. I like her and her humor a lot. It's fun but not over the top, clean not vulgar. And she's definitely Fi-valuing in how she approaches people. Never insulting, very diplomatic.

[Saoshyant]

That's an MBTI ESFP typing, silly!! The girl in the video would have to be retyped socionically. Her type is not jumping out at me. I actually dont see too much similarity in her demeanor vs Ellen's.

And I also think Ellen is ENFp. Ne-ENFp I think. I like her and her humor a lot. It's fun but not over the top, clean not vulgar. And she's definitely Fi-valuing in how she approaches people. Never insulting, very diplomatic.

I am in the camp that MBTI type = Socionics type. Did I just blow your mind?

[Suz]

I am in the camp that MBTI type = Socionics type. Did I just blow your mind?

Well i'm consistently INFJ in MBTI so your proposal wouldn't be too far off as far as I'm concerned. But overall, your "camp" is wrong because MBTI type is determined through a different thought process compared to socionics type.

[Saoshyant]

Well i'm consistently INFJ in MBTI so your proposal wouldn't be too far off as far as I'm concerned. But overall, your "camp" is wrong because MBTI type is determined through a different thought process compared to socionics type.

You can describe a lion in a couple of ways. Give it a couple of new names, as well. But in the end its the same thing, regardless of its new concepts. I am just as confident that I am right as you are confident that I am wrong.

[Olduvai]

Here is Amy Poehler (ESE) contrasted with Fi-valuing Ellen (IEE)

Ellen Degeneres is SLE

[suedehead]

Ellen Degeneres is SLE

You're terrible at typing.

[Olduvai]

You're terrible at typing.

No, you just don't know what SLE and IEE actually look like.

[Suz]

No, you just don't know what SLE and IEE actually look like.

And what makes you so sure that you do?

[Olduvai]

And what makes you so sure that you do?

because I'm IEE and I've been around SLE my entire life?

[Suz]

because I'm IEE and I've been around SLE my entire life?

a) how do you know you're typing yourself correctly?

b) how can you be so sure that you're typing them correctly?

[Olduvai]

a) how do you know you're typing yourself correctly?

serious (I've been called a "buzzkill" and a "robot"; I've also been told I "have no emotions"), negativist (I've been called a "contrarian" and a "critic"), "personal feelings", Ti-PoLR, Holographic-Panoramic, and Filatova's portraits

inb4 ILI; I assure you, logic is not my strong suit

b) how can you be so sure that you're typing them correctly?

Reinin, type descriptions (Filatova's of course), intertype relations, and Filatova's portraits

[Suz]

serious (I've been called a "buzzkill" and a "robot"; I've also been told I "have no emotions"), negativist (I've been called a "contrarian" and a "critic"), "personal feelings", Ti-PoLR, Holographic-Panoramic, and Filatova's portraits

You do realize, of course, that IEEs have Fe-demonstrative? Buzzkill and robot as descriptors aren't consistent with IEE. Anyone can have personal feelings. "Contrarian & critic" suggest ILI more than IEE (though I agree IEEs can be critical because they are perfectionists, but would be unlikely to be judged as a critic by others because of a strong sense of Fi). To correctly apply the Ti-POLR term to the practice of typing, one needs to be sure they understand what Ti POLR actually is. Considering your other questionable substantiations of your self-typing, i'm inclined to infer that you dont really know what the hell you're talking about.

inb4 ILI; I assure you, logic is not my strong suit

From the little you've mentioned above, I am inclined to go with ILI for you, but that's going on veeeery little info. Ability to use logic aint got nothing to do with it. Yes, IEE's do have a brain!!

Reinin, type descriptions (Filatova's of course), intertype relations, and Filatova's portraits

It's hard to get other people's types right until you get your own type right. Reinin dichotomies can be understood in many different ways; I personally find it difficult to apply them because I myself can identify with seemingly opposing categories. Judging by your gross misinterpretation of what the "serious" dichotomy is in your own self-typing, i can safely say that you are likely misusing the reinin dichotomies. Typing by type descriptions can be flawed because type descriptions are written from the point of view of the author. Socionics is all about point of view and taking in information from the outside in different ways. Relying on type descriptions written by your identical tends to be more helpful than descriptions written by other types, but again, there can be a world of difference between how one interprets what is being described in written form, and the actual manifestations in a person. Typing by intertype relations actually requires that you be correctly typed. VI by one 2D photo shot is not reliable.

[Erk]

Yeah there's always been something off about Ellen's IEE typing to me.

[Olduvai]

You do realize, of course, that IEEs have Fe-demonstrative?

I'm adept at Fe but I don't value it (in fact, it is my dual's weakest function), so basically "I'll use it if I have to, but I hate having to"

Anyone can have personal feelings.

but not everyone places emphasis on them like an Fi-ego would

"Contrarian & critic" suggest ILI more than IEE

no, they simply indicate Negativism:

Figuratively speaking, if Positivists are shown the front side then they will be looking at the front side, while Negativists will try to look at its inverse. If this inverse is not readily apparent, they will start searching for it. Thus Negativists do not seek to present a "negative" or "pessimistic" view of things, but simply the inverse or the alternative one.

(but would be unlikely to be judged as a critic by others because of a strong sense of Fi)

lol @ your shitty reasoning

To correctly apply the Ti-POLR term to the practice of typing, one needs to be sure they understand what Ti POLR actually is.

here's Filatova:

Ti – Vulnerable function. Represents “working activity” and always supposes a definite organization. By this is meant punctuality, the function of responsibilities, instruction, regulation, the hierarchy of subordination, accountability… And these are all which serve to drive the IEE away – any weighty framework that dictates to her “to fulfill responsibilities.” Her creativity sees nothing as predetermined. Therefore it is especially important that she find work in which her gifts are revealed.

3. – Regime, duty, regulations, accountability, all disarm her. Finds it difficult to be inscribed in any framework. Works exclusively based on her mood, is better able to focus on ‘big picture’ work than to be occupied by thorough study.

Considering your other questionable substantiations of your self-typing, i'm inclined to infer that you dont really know what the hell you're talking about.

lollll

From the little you've mentioned above, I am inclined to go with ILI for you

lolllllllllllllllll

Ability to use logic aint got nothing to do with it.

actually, it does; you wouldn't know, you're not IEE

Yes, IEE's do have a brain!!

lol, nobody's disputing that

It's hard to get other people's types right until you get your own type right. Reinin dichotomies can be understood in many different ways; I personally find it difficult to apply them because I myself can identify with seemingly opposing categories. Judging by your gross misinterpretation of what the "serious" dichotomy is in your own self-typing, i can safely say that you are likely misusing the reinin dichotomies. Typing by type descriptions can be flawed because type descriptions are written from the point of view of the author. Socionics is all about point of view and taking in information from the outside in different ways. Relying on type descriptions written by your identical tends to be more helpful than descriptions written by other types, but again, there can be a world of difference between how one interprets what is being described in written form, and the actual manifestations in a person. Typing by intertype relations actually requires that you be correctly typed. VI by one 2D photo shot is not reliable.

you're an idiot

[Radio]

pretty sure she's Fi-IEE, probably so-first

[SyrupDeGem]

Yeah I think Ellen is a pretty text book IEE by most standards. She one of those typings that a lot of people see the archetype in and agree on, which is rare in a world of theory and opinion.

[IBTL]

Ha! Ellen is SEE.

[Iris]

Ha! Ellen is SEE.

She does have a certain chill quality that can be associated with SEEs.


However (from Wikisocion) Ne is generally associated with the ability to recognize possibilities, create new opportunities and new beginnings, recognize talent and natural propensities in others, reconcile differing perspectives and viewpoints, rapidly generate ideas, and be led by one's intellectual curiosity and stimulate curiosity in others.

Types that value Ne prefer to try out an opportunity rather than consider all possible ways in which it could not work out. They pick a few options and stick with them, in contrast to introverted intuition Ni types who pick one option and continue to doubt that option.


They enjoy discussing unusual insights into the nature of the world and crazy out-there ideas, like space elevators.

Typical Ne quadrahumor juxtaposes seemingly unrelated phenomena.

These two videos are excellent examples of juxtapotion of seemingly unrelated phenomena.

Ellen is clearly Ne valuing. The types that value Ne are ILE, IEE, EII, LII, SEI, SLI, ESE, LSE.

[IBTL]

She does have a certain chill quality that can be associated with SEEs.

Yes

However (from Wikisocion) Ne is generally associated with the ability to recognize possibilities, create new opportunities and new beginnings, recognize talent and natural propensities in others, reconcile differing perspectives and viewpoints, rapidly generate ideas, and be led by one's intellectual curiosity and stimulate curiosity in others.

Types that value Ne prefer to try out an opportunity rather than consider all possible ways in which it could not work out. They pick a few options and stick with them, in contrast to introverted intuition Ni types who pick one option and continue to doubt that option.


They enjoy discussing unusual insights into the nature of the world and crazy out-there ideas, like space elevators.

Typical Ne quadrahumor juxtaposes seemingly unrelated phenomena.

These two videos are excellent examples of juxtapotion of seemingly unrelated phenomena.

Ellen is clearly Ne valuing. The types that value Ne are ILE, IEE, EII, LII, SEI, SLI, ESE, LSE.

What's so unusual about vacuuming and serving pizza?

[Iris]

Yes

What's so unusual about vacuuming and serving pizza?

At the Oscars?

[Olduvai]

Yeah I think Ellen is a pretty text book IEE by most standards.

what is a "textbook IEE"?

She one of those typings that a lot of people see the archetype in and agree on, which is rare in a world of theory and opinion.

what is the "IEE archetype"?

However (from Wikisocion) Ne is generally associated with the ability to recognize possibilities, create new opportunities and new beginnings, recognize talent and natural propensities in others, reconcile differing perspectives and viewpoints, rapidly generate ideas, and be led by one's intellectual curiosity and stimulate curiosity in others.
Types that value Ne prefer to try out an opportunity rather than consider all possible ways in which it could not work out. They pick a few options and stick with them, in contrast to introverted intuition Ni types who pick one option and continue to doubt that option.
They enjoy discussing unusual insights into the nature of the world and crazy out-there ideas, like space elevators.
Typical Ne quadrahumor juxtaposes seemingly unrelated phenomena.

fuck that noize, here's Filatova:

Ne – Program function. For the IEE it is most important to find, to see, to comprehend the new possibility where there previously never was one. Her attention is always riveted towards the unique and unusual. She’s stimulated by new ideas and is willing to receive information from any sources. This can lead her to unexpected scientific discoveries, museum exhibitions, non-traditional methods of entertainment and medicine, journeys, meeting with new people…

Her interest flashes rapidly, like that of a child at the sight of a new toy, but as soon as the object of entertainment loses its novelty she becomes uninterested, her interest vanishes rapidly and she hurries to be charmed by a new possibility. Because of her fresh views and openness to new things IEE often possesses a set of abilities and talents. It pleases her to test herself in different fields – many representatives of this psycho-type design well, can be easily trained for sports and in musical instruments, fascinated by psychology, theatre, cinematography, and art. They test their abilities in the moment, write verses, and are ingenious storytellers.

As a rule IEE is very penetrating: she can easily predict what it is possible to expect in the future from another individual, especially if she is sufficiently familiar with him/her. As no other she knows how to inspire, to reveal the abilities and talents of others, to manifest support towards others to realize themselves. In people she values kindness, uniqueness and talent. Envy is alien to her – her creative nature allows her to see many possible avenues worth following. Even in old age she’s always ready to learn new things.

1. – For the IEE it is most important to find and comprehend the most important and most interesting – to find, to see, to comprehend new possibilities where there previously was none. From a set of variants is capable of selecting the most controversial and promising in the long-term. Loves to dream and fantasize, can sufficiently forecast the course of events.

[Olduvai]

Ha! Ellen is SEE.]

this is SEE:

[IBTL]

At the Oscars?

It's brilliant, isn't it?!

[Iris]

I started a new thread for Nicole Curtis

[Suz]

I'm adept at Fe but I don't value it (in fact, it is my dual's weakest function), so basically "I'll use it if I have to, but I hate having to"

sorry, that's not how unconsciously strong functions work. This, and the rest of your post only serve to display how little you understand socionics, and i'm not really going to bother responding to the rest of it. You have much studying to do, my friend. Hint: the more humble you become about your knowledge, the more you will learn. If you're already professing expertise, you'll never get it. Heck, i've been at this for years, and the more I study it the less confident i become. In socionics, overconfidence is the hallmark of a newb.