Mel Gibson

[Kristiina]

“Feminists don't like me, and I don't like them”
“That's like asking you to pick your favorite child... I do however, think Bird on a Wire was one of my finest works. Oscar caliber.”
“It's all happening too fast. I've got to put the brakes on or I'll smack into something.”
“After about 20 years of marriage, I'm finally starting to scratch the surface of that one [what women want]. And I think the answer lies somewhere between conversation and chocolate.”

[Kristiina]

I do have a theory. I have seen the opinions ISTp and ENTp and things, but I think his sneaky and sly cleverness is somehow very ENFp. I want to know what others think.

[Rocky]

entprick

[XoX]

Could he be ESTp? I've seen so many types for him...

[Dioklecian]

ISTP IMO

[olduser]

istp, i think. seems too natural to be entp

[science as magic]

how is he not an F type?

[Mariano Rajoy]

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?...9&q=mel+gibson

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?...8&q=mel+gibson

I say ENFj with slight hesitation, and his understanding of shakespeare is juvenile.

[Gilly]

He and George Carlin (ILI or ILE, IMO) share this look/expression.

That said, I think he's ILE.

[eunice]

I'd go for ENTp.

[Mea]

I still think he's ISTp. Looks ISTp to me.

[FDG]

I still think he's ISTp. Looks ISTp to me.

True. Might be ESTj

[XoX]

I still think he's ISTp. Looks ISTp to me.

True. Might be ESTj

I have never heard that one before. Always ISTp, ISTp, ISTp. Interesting option.

So what if we use Expat's heuristics and start from finding a quadra...Alpha, Beta, Gamma or Delta and why/why not? Forget about individual types and functions for now.

[eunice]

I still think he's ISTp. Looks ISTp to me.

True. Might be ESTj

I have never heard that one before. Always ISTp, ISTp, ISTp. Interesting option.

So what if we use Expat's heuristics and start from finding a quadra...Alpha, Beta, Gamma or Delta and why/why not? Forget about individual types and functions for now.

Good idea. I feel that he might belong to Gamma/Delta quadra.

[Kristiina]

I still think he's ISTp. Looks ISTp to me.

True. Might be ESTj

I have never heard that one before. Always ISTp, ISTp, ISTp. Interesting option.

So what if we use Expat's heuristics and start from finding a quadra...Alpha, Beta, Gamma or Delta and why/why not? Forget about individual types and functions for now.

Good idea. I feel that he might belong to Gamma/Delta quadra.

I think alpha/delta. Si>Se. He seems like he could be saying, "why work my ass off when I could just enjoy life as it is. "

[FDG]

I still think he's ISTp. Looks ISTp to me.

True. Might be ESTj

I have never heard that one before. Always ISTp, ISTp, ISTp. Interesting option.

So what if we use Expat's heuristics and start from finding a quadra...Alpha, Beta, Gamma or Delta and why/why not? Forget about individual types and functions for now.

Good idea. I feel that he might belong to Gamma/Delta quadra.

I think alpha/delta. Si>Se. He seems like he could be saying, "why work my ass off when I could just enjoy life as it is. "

ahaha, right

[Exodus]

Wikipedia:

"Gibson has a reputation for being a prankster"
"Helena Bonham Carter, who appeared alongside him in Hamlet, said of him: 'He has a very basic sense of humor. It's a bit lavatorial and not very sophisticated.' "
quote from Gibson: "Hollywood is a factory. You have to realize that you are working in a factory and you're part of the mechanism. If you break down, you'll be replaced."

All this says ESp to me. He's pretty blunt, so I'll say ESTp.

[Gilly]

I don't see anywhere in that.

[Rocky]

Yeah, I see Ne.

[Kristiina]

Wikipedia:

"Gibson has a reputation for being a prankster"
"Helena Bonham Carter, who appeared alongside him in Hamlet, said of him: 'He has a very basic sense of humor. It's a bit lavatorial and not very sophisticated.' "
quote from Gibson: "Hollywood is a factory. You have to realize that you are working in a factory and you're part of the mechanism. If you break down, you'll be replaced."

All this says ESp to me. He's pretty blunt, so I'll say ESTp.

lol, IMO it sounds ENFp! You know the happy kind of prankster ENFp. You know... The EP version of BionicGoat!

[implied]

I don't see anywhere in that.

ditto.

[Exodus]

I don't see anywhere in that.

ditto.

Hm, maybe I'm thinking more in MB terms. But lavatorial humor is pretty characteristic of ESTps, right? (maybe ETps in general)

"working in a factory": ST, no?

[mustachio]

I don't see anywhere in that.

ditto.

Hm, maybe I'm thinking more in MB terms. But lavatorial humor is pretty characteristic of ESTps, right? (maybe ETps in general)

"working in a factory": ST, no?

actually since these quotes could have been uttered by a vast number of different people of several different types you can't even count out ESTp. Ni Se Ti Fu... my ass.

FeFiFoFom this site getting pretty dumb.

[Mea]

I don't see anywhere in that.

ditto.

Hm, maybe I'm thinking more in MB terms. But lavatorial humor is pretty characteristic of ESTps, right? (maybe ETps in general)

"working in a factory": ST, no?

actually since these quotes could have been uttered by a vast number of different people of several different types you can't even count out ESTp. Ni Se Ti Fu... my ass.

FeFiFoFom this site getting pretty dumb.

LOL! <3 mustachio

[Ezra]

I think in his films he uses an extraordinary amount of Fe. He manages to manipulate those susceptible to his methods. Take The Patriot, where he unjustly bastardises the English, by revealing all of the corruption and evil within their army, while keeping under control the countless murders, pillages and rapes committed by the Americans. In The Passion Of The Christ, again, he can't help himself from showing the Romans to be a ruthless and sadistic civilization (the laughing soldiers as they fuck Jesus in with a wip with spikes on it). And in Braveheart, his vendetta against he English is shown up AGAIN, so far that the Scottish, when coming to address their heritage, build a memorial BASED ON THE WILLIAM WALLACE OF BRAVEHEART.



Most of the Scottish people should be disgusted by this act. In fact, worse about the film is not the fact that the English are made to be utter pricks, but that he turns the Scottish into some kind of dark age tribe living in subterranean hobbit holes. Wallace was a Norman night. He could speak fluent French. He was not some barbarian who painted his face blue and had platts in his hair. The Scottish had cathedrals. They were as technologically advanced as the English. Talk about going overboard with supporting the underdog. The fact is, he likes to make it so that the enemy has innummerable resources and troops, but his forces manage to conquer against all odds. It just makes no logical sense whatsoever.

In essence, we learn to hate the enemy more than they deserve to be hated. He wants to show us how cruel the opposition is, and how heroic and just the allies are. Far too idealistic in his way of thinking. It's almost as if he has no notion whatsoever of human weakness. EIE is my guess.

[xyz]

Mel gibson is my hero.

[Park]

I have always seen him as an ESFp for some reason...

[machintruc]

I bet for 0+- IEI.

[Darkstar]

Hell no.

Look into his deep oceanic eyes and see his real type

[machintruc]

Hell no.

Look into his deep oceanic eyes and see his real type

What the fuck is his type, then ?

[Gilly]

LIE perhaps.

[Logos]

LSI is a strong possibility.

[discojoe]

I think he's ESTj.

[Ezra]

The whole notion of EP's being these free spirited adventurers is over-rated imo.

Of course it is. Whoever says that is talking bullshit.

Think about delta values; many ENFp's have a conservative streak, despite having Ne in their ego block.

Why do IEEs have a conservative streak?

Or consider Ti subtype ENTp's, who tend to be a little more grounded.

...

Consider what about them?

Also, don't forget that counter-phobic 6's can be quite the independent ones, especially when the sexual instinct is prominent.

Sixes are neither phobic nor counterphobic; they swing between the two states. And if are not constant in their states, then any reason you have for a counterphobic to be a certain type because they are counterphobic is made void.

As for the ESxp's, 6 is probably a slightly less prominent type than in their Ne ego counterparts, but it is still far from infrequent imo. And there are definitely too many exaggerated connotations surrounding 6's (phobic, at least) concerning stability and loyalty, which is probably why so many people don't want to identify with that type, given the shitty quality of most online descriptions.

Stability is very important to the Six. If they feel that there is some threatening phenomena in their environment, they will demonstrate complete rebelliousness to that same stability. Often this threat is generated by sheer paranoia. Sixes aren't inherently independent; they can't be, unless they're healthy. Loyalty to a person, idea or any other "thing" comes from the belief that said person, idea or thing will give the Six direction in life. However, if something threatens this peaceful contentment in an idea that the Six has created, they will react negatively, often completely overthrowing all beliefs, to fight the fear that their belief has been challenged (in effect, they remove the cause of the fear; that is, anything associated with the challenge to their belief, including their actual belief).

You're right, many of the online descriptions are poor, but some are actually very good. And those found in R&H's or Palmer's Enneagram literature are also very explanatory, and add far more depth and character to the Six.

I've also been pondering the idea of you being a cp6w7 (clean slate ) recently, simply based on the nature and tone of your posts. But I guess that's a topic for a pm.

Go for it.

[strrrng]

Of course it is. Whoever says that is talking bullshit.

Yes.

Why do IEEs have a conservative streak?

I said they can, based on delta values.

Consider what about them?

Si seeking and more analytical, contained outlook.

Sixes are neither phobic nor counterphobic; they swing between the two states. And if are not constant in their states, then any reason you have for a counterphobic to be a certain type because they are counterphobic is made void.

I was referring to patterns in an attitude, not claiming one state being consistent all the time.

Stability is very important to the Six. If they feel that there is some threatening phenomena in their environment, they will demonstrate complete rebelliousness to that same stability. Often this threat is generated by sheer paranoia. Sixes aren't inherently independent; they can't be, unless they're healthy. Loyalty to a person, idea or any other "thing" comes from the belief that said person, idea or thing will give the Six direction in life. However, if something threatens this peaceful contentment in an idea that the Six has created, they will react negatively, often completely overthrowing all beliefs, to fight the fear that their belief has been challenged (in effect, they remove the cause of the fear; that is, anything associated with the challenge to their belief, including their actual belief).

Good, you understand the 6.

You're right, many of the online descriptions are poor, but some are actually very good. And those found in R&H's or Palmer's Enneagram literature are also very explanatory, and add far more depth and character to the Six.

Ok

Go for it.

The Ni is at work.

[discojoe]

He's got the exact same gruffness as John Wayne.

[Ezra]

When I last heard, some consensus was SLI.

Is it still that or something else?

[Suz]

oh i thought the consensus was LSE...

[717495]

The consensus on this forum appears to be LSE. I don't have a strong opinion on him myself.

[woofwoofl]

I'm almost certain he's Delta ST, but beyond that, I don't know yet - I like LSE a bit more than SLI so far... Negativist, Demonstrative , reminds me a lot more of my LSE neighbor than my SLI drummer and SLI co-worker...