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[Creepy-Diana]

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[Gilly]

All it takes is one look at those pictures.

[science as magic]

i think you have kids and responsibilities which does not an isfj make

[Dioklecian]

i think you have kids and responsibilities which does not an isfj make

Pedro can you explain that?

[science as magic]

i think she is sort of "toned down" compared to other infjs on the forum which people are mistaking for S behavior

[Joy]

i think she is sort of "toned down" compared to other infjs on the forum which people are mistaking for S behavior

imo, they're way toned down next to her

[science as magic]

how so? fever for example seems to be more "on the go" like her posts seem more high energy craziness

[Joy]

how so? fever for example seems to be more "on the go" like her posts seem more high energy craziness

exactly (no offense fever <3)

When I scan threads, most of the posts made by Ne types simply don't register for some reason. Obviously, there are many exceptions, depending on the post and the thread, but Ne types are the least likely to catch or hold my attention, here or irl.

Diana stimulates me in a way that Ne types don't. And no, that's not the only reason I think she's ISFj. I've seen signs of a Ne PoLR in private conversations (I won't expect anyone to take my work for it though), and I've never seen anything even resembling a Se PoLR in her.

Remeber the Se PoLR thread that was split off of the ENFj thread? I was wondering if any INxjs would show up and support Diana's argument... the only INxj to show up was fever, and all she said was that she likes to dance. I kept wanting to say, "Diana, the reason you don't relate to this PoLR is because it's not your PoLR..." I sorta wanted her to say it though lol.

[science as magic]

no i mean how are they toned down next to her? mea for example seems "toned down" and also infj but not necessarily moreso than diana

[Joy]

no i mean how are they toned down next to her? mea for example seems "toned down" and also infj but not necessarily moreso than diana

they seemed "toned down" to me cause I generally don't even notice them (<3 the INFjs though)

[Slacker]

I agree with Pedro. She has great responsibilities and her Fi is guiding her in those, but that doesn't maker her ISFj.

Also, we in Delta <3 Diana too. I don't feel like I have a relation of supervision with her in the slightest. Not at all. Doesn't seem possible. So your feeling that the two of you should be duals is similar to my feeling that the two of us are mirrors.

If we're going to work on "feelings", Joy, she feels so much like me I'd almost think she's an ENFp. If I was getting an Se vibe off her, I'd be cringing when I read her posts.

Though your and my feelings aren't as valuable for this as Diana's are. Does she think she has Ne? Or Se? I voted INFj but if she really feels otherwise I'll believe her.

[Expat]

Also, we in Delta <3 Diana too. I don't feel like I have a relation of supervision with her in the slightest. Not at all. Doesn't seem possible. So your feeling that the two of you should be duals is similar to my feeling that the two of us are mirrors.

It is not uncommon for Gamma and Delta to <3 each other.

I think Diana is ISFj ethical subtype, but the dividing line from INFj ethical subtype is thin.

[anndelise]

I'm voting INFj.

I've never been able to have the kinds of conversations I've had with Diana...with an ISFj. I've never been able to play the kinds of games in chat that I have with Diana....with an ISFj. I have never felt as if Diana was missing out on some important/blatant possibility. I've never felt as if I had to explain some missed implication to her. She's always been pretty quick to grasp what I'm talking about...when I talk with her one on one. And I mean....showing that she understands it, by taking it one step further then I had stated...or mentioning how it applies in her own life. I've not yet met an ISFj who does that even half as smoothly as Diana does.

I also see a lot of similarities between Diana and my mother. Alot in my initial reservedness of discussing something possibly "shocking"....but upon finally taking the plunge discovering that she's not judging me. I also see similarities in that, both have been in situations in which they were caretakers of someone close to them. And yet, not really identifying themselves with being a caretaker. And pursuing their own interest/hobby as soon as they are not needed as much. (yes, I'm sure that lots of types/people could fit into this last part...I don't know how to put into words what I'm referring to though. something to do with an ISFj would be proud of it, or declare it to the world, or refer to it as a duty they should do, or expect recognition for it, etc.)

Also, I find it odd that people would make comments about how much Diana resembles some of the INTjs, or INTjs making comments about how it seems that Diana and them share a lot of ways of looking at things. Though, I suppose....that it could be possible that an INTj would say that about an ISFj...considering that ENFp and ESTp are able to share a few attitudes. (But I've yet to see someone imply that an ENFp might be an ESTp. or vice versa.)

anyhoot, that's my 2 pennies worth

when it comes down to it, Diana is the only who knows for sure if something applies to her or not. what I fear most is that she's begun this under misleading interpretations of a couple of functions, etc

edited to add: wasn't the result of her previous "what's my type" while in hiding....wasn't the result Delta???

[Creepy-Diana]

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[Elro]

I'm voting INFj.

I've never been able to have the kinds of conversations I've had with Diana...with an ISFj. I've never been able to play the kinds of games in chat that I have with Diana....with an ISFj. I have never felt as if Diana was missing out on some important/blatant possibility. I've never felt as if I had to explain some missed implication to her. She's always been pretty quick to grasp what I'm talking about...when I talk with her one on one. And I mean....showing that she understands it, by taking it one step further then I had stated...or mentioning how it applies in her own life. I've not yet met an ISFj who does that even half as smoothly as Diana does.

I also see a lot of similarities between Diana and my mother. Alot in my initial reservedness of discussing something possibly "shocking"....but upon finally taking the plunge discovering that she's not judging me. I also see similarities in that, both have been in situations in which they were caretakers of someone close to them. And yet, not really identifying themselves with being a caretaker. And pursuing their own interest/hobby as soon as they are not needed as much. (yes, I'm sure that lots of types/people could fit into this last part...I don't know how to put into words what I'm referring to though. something to do with an ISFj would be proud of it, or declare it to the world, or refer to it as a duty they should do, or expect recognition for it, etc.)

Also, I find it odd that people would make comments about how much Diana resembles some of the INTjs, or INTjs making comments about how it seems that Diana and them share a lot of ways of looking at things. Though, I suppose....that it could be possible that an INTj would say that about an ISFj...considering that ENFp and ESTp are able to share a few attitudes. (But I've yet to see someone imply that an ENFp might be an ESTp. or vice versa.)

anyhoot, that's my 2 pennies worth

when it comes down to it, Diana is the only who knows for sure if something applies to her or not. what I fear most is that she's begun this under misleading interpretations of a couple of functions, etc

edited to add: wasn't the result of her previous "what's my type" while in hiding....wasn't the result Delta???

Yeowch. Obviously, you need better ISFjs in your life, ann.

[anndelise]

Yeowch. Obviously, you need better ISFjs in your life, ann.

well, one thing to keep in mind is the differences between an NeFi and an FiSe.... There ARE going to be differences in communication styles, in the information they each prefer to discuss, etc. The kinds of "games" I like to play are the kinds that NFs enjoy. Lots of subtle irony and focus on implications of something so minor as....blue hair. I'm not saying that FiSe don't have their own sense of humor, but their's a bit more directed toward "reality" than mine is. One of the problems though..is that there seems to be a need to explain our jokes to each other. I've never run into that with Diana.

Also, my mother is married to an ISFj. I admit, he's not a very bright one, so I have to take that into consideration as well. But in his mind, he worked a good job, took good financial care of his family and step family, was downright proud if an "important" piece of mail was in his sorting bin (like sorting a letter going to the Queen of England), and when he retired, he felt he had done his duty....and was done. It almost seems that...life for him ended when his job ended. I'm sad to say that, in all honesty. He was eager to please, but alas, he wasn't aware that he was doing anything not quite right unless it was mentioned to him. And when he finally seemed to understand and had been given all the proof that there was something better he could do (he would ask what he could do to improve things).....he seemed unable to follow through...and within a week to a month or so....he'd have virtually forgotten that there was anything not quite right in his homelife. Now, I do not believe that all ISFjs are like that last part. But, that pride in fulfilling his duties to his country, his church, and his family, and the personal pride in his work as a mail sorter....all fit in with what I've noticed of other ISFjs. They take personal pride in being a caregiver, of being a supporter, of being the one to take care of their family/friends. Diana has not....expressed...pride ...in her caring for her husband. She hasn't expressed personal satisfaction in the sacrifices and hard work she put into taking care of him and her family. My mom has never expressed pride in her having taken care of his mother after his mother had a stroke. My mother never expressed pride in being a nurse. My mom hasn't expressed pride in the fact that now her husband's capabilities are diminished, and she is once again being a caregiver. She does it....she hasn't complained about it (to me at least)...it just seems to be...i dunno...all i can think is the feeling of "it's there, i do it"..but i don't need nor desire recognition for it. (maybe she does desire it, i dunno, it's just never felt that way, she doesn't even like talking about it much)

so, i'm not sure why the comment about needing to meet better ISFjs.

[Elro]

so, i'm not sure why the comment about needing to meet better ISFjs.

Ah, it wasn't in relation to Diana specifically (who doesn't seem very ISFj to me either), just with respect to the negative impression you seem to have of them... Taking to PM to avoid offtopicness.

[Creepy-Diana]

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[Khamelion]