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    Make an argument for the type you think i am.

    I've been jostling between IEE and ILE and the more time goes by, i see ---->ILE. Like 90 percent.

    necrosebud typed me more NT Fe agenda type style. The tussle with Sol was a lynch pin for it. Like an ESFj pushing etiquette rules over on ya' all.

    I know a few might think EIE, but i'm way too silly and flighty, and not enshrouded in any emotional turmoil blankets. Easy going is a motto IRL. I.e., i fail to see EJ in any type in any subtype.

    Enneagram insights might be more useful i might think. Please do comment here at least.

    Anyone have a deal breaker opinion?

    link at bottom is helpful i think, like 5 poems in thread.


    https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...34#post1583934

    Thanks.
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    As I said before, without positive IR check with good known people you may with significant chance: 1) mistake 2) change opinions about own type.
    Among reasons is speculativity of today methods and partly wrong theory. This can be overcome by big quantity of interlinked data, when you are doubtful to get accidentlly good fiting to theory of your and other peoples behavior + IR effects.

    As you have ignored the advice, you keep doubts and may do the mistake.

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    That ENTP gal that i posted in the random thread with the guy jumper style ENTP in that interview, is my humor and silly MO toward people. Everything she suggested is the way i approach humor, and it put the 90 percent nail in the coffin box.

    Lol. X1

    I'm curious just to know where the ethics forms in the type with Fi PoLR gauging the preach from my probable 1w2 pulpits. Another big lol. X2.

    A lot of confliction on the surface examination. pound### x3
    *puts on thinking cap here*

    Holds up sign, *special unicorn here* j/k alert.

    If someone could prove Ti vs Te that would secure the 10 percent doubt.

    Sedecology site showed a clever way of knowing which axis you are on by how Ti Fe and Fi and Te work in people, where 1 function grows, and the other is static, and it looks like X in this manner. I lost that info where it was.



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    What you've described as a jumper, some might call base subtype (Ne-IXE, whichever you are). Base subtype strengthens functions 1467 and weakens 2358 according to the theory

    I've no strong argument here. Your romanov test results did appear to point to IEE, then again you can come over as sort of Fe-valuing online.

    Not much help, I know, but a lot of information gets missed out when one cannot see you in motion. In text, I think id block functions are mixed with ego and superego.. picture gets a bit divergent

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    One common theme i have is that ENTps everywhere think i'm not their type, male female, GenX, Millennial.

    Including the former active one here. I also got a vote for ethical on a post from another one indirectly, me making an argument for the non T type.

    2 EII votes here for ILE. That is it on type here - these came with direct communication - no poll made up.

    Deep down i get an impression I'm Fe somewhere. IDK why.

    Not sure if this Fe or Fi. I once saw a guy as a kid in a box with wheels with no legs in a department store, and he used his hands to roll, and i wondered how embarrassing that must be and what he thinks, and then thought he's prob hardened and thinks in a must need basis, and is callous to the external impression. What kind of hope could be present, and thought it depends on character, and little on circumstance.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Expansion View Post
    One common theme i have is that ENTps everywhere think i'm not their type, male female, GenX, Millennial.

    Including the former active one here. I also got a vote for ethical on a post from another one indirectly, me making an argument for the non T type.

    2 EII votes here for ILE. That is it on type here - these came with direct communication - no poll made up.

    Deep down i get an impression I'm Fe somewhere. IDK why.

    Not sure if this Fe or Fi. I once saw a guy as a kid in a box with wheels with no legs in a department store, and he used his hands to roll, and i wondered how embarrassing that must be and what he thinks, and then thought he's prob hardened and thinks in a must need basis, and is callous to the external impression. What kind of hope could be present, and thought it depends on character, and little on circumstance.

    You sound like Jake Peralta, an IEE character from Brooklyn Nine Nine
    Sometimes you don't have motivation because you lack purpose.
    Sometimes you don't have purpose, because you lack self-knowledge
    Sometimes you don't have self-knowledge because you lack love
    Sometimes you don't have love because you lack self-love
    Sometimes you don't have self-love because you lack guess what? Ask Gulenko!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hermes Trismegistus View Post
    You sound like Jake Peralta, an IEE character from Brooklyn Nine Nine
    I agree.

    Pretty impressive, i guess my lively electronic persona is comparable when you have another double, like a template looking thru Ne eyes, with Fi tries.

    Thanks for the thought.

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    I'm a type writer



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    For some reason, I see ILEs talk directly. They are extroverted (not much reflection) and they have Ti in their ego. Kind assholes. They're kinda like SLEs even when trolling or posting nonsense.
    The ones I see with more fluff and are poetic are Beta NF types. Unless we are already talking 1 on 1, I would have to squint to understand what they are talking about. But they are engaging. Have you heard an ILE explain? Robotic. They don't give much fun feelings. Personally it makes me sleep.

    The jumper thing is too DaveSuperPowers. I think MBTI tend to relate quirkiness and eccentric behavior to ENTP too much.

    Imo it makes sense to type based on who you think you type as. You should feel certain similarities even if you don't like them very much. Though specially irl quadra mates and neighbors have chemistry so you probably tend to like them even if nothing special particularly happens.

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    Useful feedback. ^

    Thanks for the effort, one.

    I think my flightiness has reached a high level here in bouncing around in type. It is signatory of non ENTp. They just don't operate like this. My reasons for switching around are the feelz, not logical arguments for the switch. I have to get an impression and wear it and compare it to others. Everything is an impression as first-line in my mind. Reasons come around later for things.

    It's a slooow absorption process to take on different mantles.

    The only real certain Reinen trait that i can see personally is Obstinate. I won't part with interests, but i will give everything else away in this second half dichotomy. That is what i've researched and gleaned from it extensively. My mother was EIE and Obstinate in this regard. Same stripe, at least as a control to compare it to myself.

    If true this cuts the board in half, and another half for Extravert. So 4 E types with this, and EIE is the only other real option. SEE ESE

    The tools for typing are found wanting, overall.
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    My mother used to call me "my son the scientist" when i lived at home. My ESE cousin used to say, i'd like to hear your scientific approach on how this thing works, or why this social situation is the way it is. What is your take Mr cousin.

    I once met up with an old friend in high school, and within a few minutes he said you always had to know how everything worked and started to smile and laugh.
    Yeah, i always wanted to know how everything works.

    *Added diary entry*

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    Signed sealed and delivered.

    IEE.

    Thanks for the help.

    Thread is still open for comment or questions.



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    Make 2 lists: 1 - types of people you know irl, 2 - bloggers types lists.
    This will train typing skills by nonverbal VI and by common behavior. Will give the data about IR effects.

    Give a test to people where is possibly.

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    Signed sealed and delivered.
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    IEE.

    Thanks for the help.

    Thread is still open for comment or questions.


    You really seem like an ethical type to me.
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    Something of interest cognitively, is i'm drawn into atmospheres or the mood or the essence of something, and am absorbed into it. Like there is no separation of self standing away from it. Not 1+(1 other), but one whole. 1 + 1 = 1

    The "I" is determined by the absorption, other wise no useful individuality.

    You could argue extraverts need people for feeling utility or accomplishments. If the world is a pool table, that is all you see outwardly in E frames and the que ball is there alone, it does nothing.

    This might be Enneagram related too.

    Thoughts?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Expansion View Post
    You could argue extraverts need people for feeling utility or accomplishments.
    Extraverts pay more attention on external (objects, events), including on what they do with other people, what other people think. Than an attention on inner evaluations. Secondary this leads that to deal with other people for them is more meaningful to feel the said, than for introverts. It's not a need, just which kind of stimuls influences more on their consciousness. While introverts get stronger impression from inner evaluations and processes.


    For general types discussions are other sections and themes. The best is to read books and to watch people of different types, communicate with them irl - to understand what types are, to compare with yourself.

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    So, then, I'm an ENFp, so where is my PoLR manifesting in its forms?

    I've looked at threads on it, but where is the hits?

    Somewhere i should show a lack of consistent thinking, i think.



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    @Expansion

    Do you resonate with IEE characters like Hinata Hyūga or Bugs Bunny?
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    Quote Originally Posted by HolyKnowing View Post
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    Do you resonate with IEE characters like Hinata Hyūga or Bugs Bunny?
    Isn't Bugs ENTP? Sort of insulting and not that cuddly? Competitive? Not that ENTPs are like this, it just looks very egocentric. The former i'm unfamiliar with.

    Jeff Golblum, partially, it's the sciency personas. I know media shows him as ENTP but i think Jeff is IEE.

    IDK which is a best fit. As i kid i was a quite a joker and had a playful mischievous side, but never egocentric or competitive in that scope of it.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Expansion View Post
    Isn't Bugs ENTP? Sort of insulting and not that cuddly? Competitive? Not that ENTPs are like this, it just looks very egocentric. The former i'm unfamiliar with.

    Jeff Golblum, partially, it's the sciency personas. I know media shows him as ENTP but i think Jeff is IEE.

    IDK which is a best fit. As i kid i was a quite a joker and had a playful mischievous side, but never egocentric or competitive in that scope of it.
    Do you want to be successful (ILE) or do you want to quit (IEE)?
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    Quote Originally Posted by HolyKnowing View Post
    Do you want to be successful (ILE) or do you want to quit (IEE)?
    I meant which IEE, in which type character , HN.

    I want to be who i am.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Expansion View Post
    I meant which IEE, in which type character , HN.

    I want to be who i am.
    "Be yourself" is ILE. You are just going through a rough patch. You'll emerge better than everyone else.
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    If i desired anything in life, it is being wise. I never cared about logic. Logic is Spock, logic is Data. Being consistent with parts is narrow channeling and working out away from aesthetic wholeness in sums.

    I liken myself to something simple like looking at a light beam shining on a flag.
    You see it immediately in experience, but when you start to ask questions about it, infinity is in range.
    To experience is simple, to explain is divine.



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    Which cognition is present in this thread?

    Another rabbit hole, says Bugs.



    Holographic? certainly not EII ILE SEE LSI deductive wouldn't you think?



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    https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...elating-via-Fi

    Her technical skills look NT, but IEE is her type in above link.

    In other posts she explains Fi in its misconceptions on what does the judgment look like by stereotypes vs real effect, making it look misleading, where i was at before bouncing around in the mire of stereotypes.

    I also had some bias that my technical take on explaining some of the things that i do know, was NT, like once on Role and Base and using analogy of temperature and dominate hand vs non dominate hand. Not so.

    Just more evidence for my convictions.

    Also, someone out there in internet search land might benefit, whether now or in the future.



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    NT or NF that is the question.

    Has anyone here on the forum have something to show that i'm introverted feeling vulnerable?

    You can play it many ways.

    Like Expansion i see Fe in the ego, like valued.

    I see Ne Ti in your framing of ideas.

    You seem not Holographic putting you into ILE camps.

    Vixen said EIE, because i'm never personal, and that is Fi ignoring in an assumption of mine for the EIE tag.

    It is a difficult model to tell where i feel vulnerable at, going for PoLR.

    My wife is SEI, and i have SLI friends. I never had SEI friends, as friends. The only gals who have ever shown an interest in me are SEI.
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    It is going to take someone exceptionally good to crack the code. I think types who span a lot of territory in activity are difficult to type. You become a Renaissance soul, a master adapter.



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    I don't know what's your opinion about types' descriptions, but if you don't mind it here's ILE and IEE by Ausra

    I haven't ever focused on your non-typology related posts on the forum, so I don't think I have any other input to say.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Squirrel View Post
    I don't know what's your opinion about types' descriptions, but if you don't mind it here's ILE and IEE by Ausra

    I haven't ever focused on your non-typology related posts on the forum, so I don't think I have any other input to say.
    Em, thanks.

    Btw, i jibe with IEE in that link.



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    https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...93#comment6893

    My post here is evidence of Ti or category shifting.

    Is it valued is the 64 dollar question.

    I had to reach down to get at it.

    E vs. I post:

     
    It is just an attitudinal cycle where you start and where you end.

    You>them

    Them>you

    Se base is a good starting point vs Si base, imagining those scenarios as an extreme illustration.

    You could name it anything: the people reacting on the fly, to the people responding on the fly.

    Analogy:

    Like a sports team in NFL football. One side is offense gaining field position, the other defends their field position.

    People who move about first we could call "social," because they seek to gain, and the other cohort reserved, because they seek to preserve.



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    Emotivists tend to immerse themselves in the search for an explanation of certain phenomena that they encounter in their lives. Because of their cause-and-effect thinking, they often seem too logical to others. They don’t like superficiality, so they try to approach their work with greater care: “measure twice, cut once” is just about them. But constructivists are rather superficial in logical matters: they are more interested in thinking about people’s behavior and preferences, they like to compare their own and other people’s tastes, and make ratings. Constructivists more often express their attitude to phenomena: they like to delve into it, discuss it with someone.

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    Emotivists = types with inert T functions

    Constructivists = types with inert F function

    Inert = either leading + ignoring or mobilizing + PoLR
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    Quote Originally Posted by Squirrel View Post
    Emotivists tend to immerse themselves in the search for an explanation of certain phenomena that they encounter in their lives. Because of their cause-and-effect thinking, they often seem too logical to others. They don’t like superficiality, so they try to approach their work with greater care: “measure twice, cut once” is just about them. But constructivists are rather superficial in logical matters: they are more interested in thinking about people’s behavior and preferences, they like to compare their own and other people’s tastes, and make ratings. Constructivists more often express their attitude to phenomena: they like to delve into it, discuss it with someone.

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    Emotivists = types with inert T functions

    Constructivists = types with inert F function

    Inert = either leading + ignoring or mobilizing + PoLR

    https://wikisocion.github.io/en/inde...emotivist.html

    I formulated this from link. ^

    Thanks for the info.

    Re Enea types: nothing other than linked articles.



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    Enneagram insights might be more useful i might think. Please do comment here at least.
    Have you read in Ennneagram before ? and which authors ?
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    I don't know why, but for some reason I subconsciously associated you with an ESE Stepmother I had a long time ago (I imagine your posts as coming out of her mouth I mean). lol. No idea why or what that means, but I find it a little amusing.
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    I came here at 16T thinking ESTP via Gary Busey in his way of parsing.

    I take phrases and twist them like this, hence my entry ESTP type here a year ago. It is holographic at the end of clip.

    Quotes: Fear is the dark room where the Devil develops his negatives. See: https://www.brainyquote.com/authors/gary-busey-quotes

    And see: https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...=1#post1580065

    What are the chances that i'm actually SLE, like him? He is a clear sensing type via interviews and quotes. Nothing ideational and Se dominant in force use.

    What posters here think "Ne" might be strong Ne role. 2 ENTP's on another forum say i'm not Ne but Ni Se. What i show is not extraverted intuition.

    I fail to see me Ne dominant and stringing together and connecting ideas to form new ones.

    My line of reasoning is Busey SLE = me in these same parsing patterns.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Distance View Post
    What are the chances that i'm actually SLE, like him?

    My line of reasoning is Busey SLE = me in these same parsing patterns.
    0% chances for you being SLE in socionics.

    That said, the chances for you to be like Gary Busey could be very high if he is not SLE in socionics (he seems Extroverts and has HD Ne).

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    Quote Originally Posted by godslave View Post
    0% chances for you being SLE in socionics.

    That said, the chances for you to be like Gary Busey could be very high if he is not SLE in socionics (he seems Extroverts and has HD Ne).
    They have him ENTP here in Socionics. Just watch his interviews and you'll see a lot of Se in noticing every detail and reacting to it. Jumping over couches etc. A lot of energy in force usage.

    Static type, so no EIE typing like i've seen in his thread here.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Distance View Post
    Theyhave him ENTP here in Socionics. Just watch his interviews and you'll see a lot of Se in noticing every detail and reacting to it. Jumping over couches etc. A lot of energy in force usage.

    Static type, so no EIE typing like i've seen in his thread here.
    Okay, fair enough.
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