My Type

[RatEater]

Love all the controversy on this thread. reminds me of my skeptical approach to my own type, or my adventures imagining and assessing different types for myself. it had been very helpful identifying several ppl around me and using my perception of their types and our contrasts to help resolve my own. your writing at face value LOOKS like i think ne-dom looks. especially bc you seem to be mostly considering extroverted types. i think the ILE vs IEE proposal you made at the beginning of this thread is still appropriate. for myself that is still the dichotomy i'm most unsure about in myself.

i disagree with some of the line-by-line interpretations i've seen earlier in this thread. i think type-interpreting writing should more likely be done holístically.(at least, that's how i will do it bc i can hardly remember and keep track of point by point arguments)(erg i'm not gonna correct when my phone puts spanish accents on certain words--dont worry about it)

in my experience, using ti a lot doesn't necessarily mean being stiff/stodgy in adhering to specific ti findings. in fact, for ILE, the ti is getting regulated by ne so much that single ti findings are essentially useless most of the time--context makes all the difference in how and why to use ti, and context is what Ne keeps track of. so when i was a kid i thought the world would be better off if everyone used their own logic to conduct themselves (i didn't know about IM elements) and if all knowledge was freely flowing and everyone dedicated themselves to learning. with further development of my ne and ti, and with some more background knowledge, i now know that vision is a foolish child's fantasy for many reasons. notably, the way people in society form their worldviews and the factors influencing such, the ways they group themselves and wallow in intersubjective biases, these make it so that any search for universal truths or metanarratives is destined to fail in any cases outside of its context of origination. reading postmodernist philosophy has made me much more aware of the limits of my own cognition, the biases fundamental to human cognition (self, language, peer group, social hegemony, etc). in short, 3D or 4D ti can look simplistic due to disavowal of judgement or acceptance of diversity in the thought of other humans.

regarding your rhetoric, i think ILE can go back and forth between full ne riffing, which both types of ne dom can do, and that we see a lot of with you, and the systematic and detached analysis/self reflection that you do when you get into analysis mode, and that is also depicted in my intro statement. i think the actual word choice and level of technicality depends on the types of things you usually read and the education you pursued/didn't pursue. i studied science and i test philosophy and science stuff but also when aroundppl who don't want technical discourse i intentionally use more friendly and personal and non-jargon language. i'll even come off a bit country at times bc of past areas of residence. for now i need to get going, but i'll check back. i will also mention that working on fe or being somewhat fe fluent seems to be within the realm of possibility for us. My EII lover thinks i'm very emotionally fluent and caring, which is probably from decent fe but i also theorize ne-ti can approximate emotional sensitivity when you direct your observation powers upon the people in question.

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There is plenty of Ti in this thread in my last entries & notes - dear diary. Meaning enough to eclipse a PoLR.

Posters/people who recognize Ti, who use Ti, should see that is not PoLR in my usage here IMO.

If anything i have a relationship with introverted feeling as it is just there: inert. Like ignore.

I posit i'm Ne Fe heavy in ILE, or EIE.

https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...=1#post1606773

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I've been married to SEI for years, and her Te PoLR is there everyday, and since my dad died recently, we've been remodeling his place and the PoLR will make your eyes water.

My Ti isnt like that. I could see it in seeking and Si in PoLR. That was my sentiment here early on initially.

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Ni example: https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...=1#post1607371

It was a follow on this: https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...=1#post1607370

Post deleted with wrong link, sorry.

Too busy and tired lately.

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In link here is a good example of Ti at work in creative fashion, making analogies and models, plus it is entirely made up to oneself, and that is Ti for you at work.

Introverted thinking on my side is black and white: I say it is like this or like that in a subtraction 1 step, maybe 2. Here

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More Ti seeking

[BrainlessSquid]

More Ti seeking

What makes you think J>P?
Also how does your wife being SEI affect your blindspots and the relation overall?

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What makes you think J>P?
Also how does your wife being SEI affect your blindspots and the relation overall?

Re wife. Not sure how to answer it.

J over P is a false dichotomy here in the Socion, at header in forum is an article showing that it flips if 2nd function is the pivot point.

Overall if by tests it is near center of T vs F in Big5 like 44 F. Or 66 T. JP ditto. P over J a bit.

As far as Ne goes, I do not fit the extraverted intuitive life style. Stuff I've read ENXps embark on. Looking for the new, the new, the new, is never me. Strike 1 against.

I'm more interested in building frames of how processes work: Ni.

My sig lines, as I mentioned in Shout match Reality Denialist in form. Those are present oriented in Ni frames.

[thistle]

One common theme i have is that ENTps everywhere think i'm not their type, male female, GenX, Millennial.

Including the former active one here. I also got a vote for ethical on a post from another one indirectly, me making an argument for the non T type.

2 EII votes here for ILE. That is it on type here - these came with direct communication - no poll made up.

Deep down i get an impression I'm Fe somewhere. IDK why.

Not sure if this Fe or Fi. I once saw a guy as a kid in a box with wheels with no legs in a department store, and he used his hands to roll, and i wondered how embarrassing that must be and what he thinks, and then thought he's prob hardened and thinks in a must need basis, and is callous to the external impression. What kind of hope could be present, and thought it depends on character, and little on circumstance.

I remember reading your posts in the typology random thoughts section - sometimes they read like cryptic crossword clues.

If you use Ti, I don't think it's in your ego block, especially if it's something you engage with in relaxing settings and don't turn to it first to solve problems.

The bolded part, your deeper reflection as a kid, makes me think it's Fi if any function.

Do you have any examples of assistance or advice you've received from someone that you really appreciated...like it was something you wouldn't have thought to do yourself.
Or if it's easier to answer, is there a pattern of people appreciating you for particular things you have done to help them?

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I remember reading your posts in the typology random thoughts section - sometimes they read like cryptic crossword clues.

If you use Ti, I don't think it's in your ego block, especially if it's something you engage with in relaxing settings and don't turn to it first to solve problems.

The bolded part, your deeper reflection as a kid, makes me think it's Fi if any function.

Do you have any examples of assistance or advice you've received from someone that you really appreciated...like it was something you wouldn't have thought to do yourself.
Or if it's easier to answer, is there a pattern of people appreciating you for particular things you have done to help them?

Hi, what brings you back to the forum?

Re Fi.

I've noticed that valuers here Adam, Kb, Park, Beautiful sky, loopy, necro, gs, the SLI Si, is that everything is about me and my draw in what I'm after. I big vortex draw. Me is the center.

Fi is the ship heading to the goal/ destination and welcome aboard if you align with me. I want these things, others no.

Ti is the ship planning the destination to meet expectations.

I board the 2nd ship.

I have a have poor autobiographical memory, and I'm blind to tallies, on what I do.

[thistle]

Hi, what brings you back to the forum?

Re Fi.

I've noticed that valuers here Adam, Kb, Park, Beautiful sky, loopy, necro, gs, the SLI Si, is that everything is about me and my draw in what I'm after. I big vortex draw. Me is the center.

Fi is the ship heading to the goal/ destination and welcome aboard if you align with me. I want these things, others no.

Ti is the ship planning the destination to meet expectations.

I board the 2nd ship.

I have a have poor autobiographical memory, and I'm blind to tallies, on what I do.

A lot of things I'd gotten used to/comfortable with in my life suddenly changed, and that occupied me for a while. Once things settled down again there was one uncomfortable thing remaining and I think it has to do with my weaker/undeveloped functions.

I wish I could get my head around your analogy with the two ships but it's a stretch for me, even though I know from your point of view you've worded it simply.
Fi says the goal/destination is decided from the outset and Ti continues adjusting because of growing and varied expectations (including your own?)

You have shared an interesting memory here and there about you when you were younger, memories that others recalled and told you about yourself. Autobiographical memory: I wonder if it has to do with introversion and extroversion. Extraverts find it easier to reflect on themselves and their likes when prompted by something or someone else - e.g. a quiz, an interview, driving by familiar places in the car.

[thistle]

I've thought you reminded me of EUDAEMONIUM (who used to post on the forum) now and then - I always thought of them as extroverted, and a feeling type.

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A lot of things I'd gotten used to/comfortable with in my life suddenly changed, and that occupied me for a while. Once things settled down again there was one uncomfortable thing remaining and I think it has to do with my weaker/undeveloped functions.

I wish I could get my head around your analogy with the two ships but it's a stretch for me, even though I know from your point of view you've worded it simply.
Fi says the goal/destination is decided from the outset and Ti continues adjusting because of growing and varied expectations (including your own?)

You have shared an interesting memory here and there about you when you were younger, memories that others recalled and told you about yourself. Autobiographical memory: I wonder if it has to do with introversion and extroversion. Extraverts find it easier to reflect on themselves and their likes when prompted by something or someone else - e.g. a quiz, an interview, driving by familiar places in the car.

Si here. I have little impressionistic memory of the past. It's there but it lacks a felt history. When you asked about Fi in contexts in a tally of one vs another. Introverts know themselves and are in touch with themselves, hence the saying navel gazers.

The best way for you is finding other SEI here in read up on them, or start a thread.

Tallmo is still active.

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I've thought you reminded me of EUDAEMONIUM (who used to post on the forum) now and then - I always thought of them as extroverted, and a feeling type.

He is typed LSI by Gulenko.

He started a thread complaining about the typing, but overall it looks thorough.

Here: https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...s-Typing-of-Me

[thistle]

Si here. I have little impressionistic memory of the past. It's there but it lacks a felt history. When you asked about Fi in contexts in a tally of one vs another. Introverts know themselves and are in touch with themselves, hence the saying navel gazers.

The best way for you is finding other SEI here in read up on them, or start a thread.

Tallmo is still active.

Memory being separate from memory with a felt history - yes, I follow, because I've immediately noticed when certain people I've met transport themselves back into their memories as they tell them. I'm a bit like that too - for me it's mainly positive memories. They can be conjured up and change my present mood which is helpful.

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I'm easily led astray in things, let's face it. People can present an assertion and believe it is true and i'm taken in by it. They might be wrong. Whatever comes my way i absorb it and have a hard time shaking it off. Someone's mood is contagious to me and i have a hard time in dispelling that spell.

If i see a pattern like Busey, i am immediately under that spell, not thinking it is a coincidence or some other type can do it. If i remember my EIE mother would charge these off too. Lol.

Riven here on the forum, ILE poster, had the same problem, and we discussed this together, and you think you are this thing over here. You don't change like a chameleon, volitionally, the change comes from a weak or not a solid sense of self, like Si being weak. I always feel like i'm out of body, like looking at myself from an overhead point of view, not inside this flesh and blood suit.

If you are not here at X you can be everywhere. If that makes sense.

When i was 5, and i've said this before on the forum, i had to ask my mother a question of identity, and asking, who am i? I noticed something for the first time, like me seeing myself overhead, and realized i could be a nothing, but i am a something. So i wanted to know who i was. She said, why dear, you are a human being! When we got home i was so excited with a new vocab. word, repeating it to myself over and and over, that i am a "human being."

I easily mirror other's force or presence in a reprogramming.

I think what bothers me about people IRL, is if i think black and you think white and looking at the same thing, like so many things in life, it creates a lot of noise. A discordant disturbance.

Ti as suggestive function EIE (ENFj; Hamlet) ESE (ESFj; Hugo)

Deliberately searches for a place where everything is clear and avoids those places where something remains unclear, primarily from the point of view of common sense. Needs people who know how to make complicated things more understandable and becomes attached to such people. If you tell him that something is going to be difficult to understand, then he won’t even make attempts. If you tell him that it will be easy to understand, he will become inspired by this. Very suggestible by understanding of other people and, in general, by any logic, thus can easily believe in the most bizarre and unrealistic things, very easy to convince. Loves to learn, but to those courses where everything is explained in meticulous detail. Lectures where instructor simply gives terms and facts repel him, as each term must be explained to him in detail. Can easily get tricked because of this suggestibility through logic. Wherever someone gives them explanations so that everything is simple and clear, they will favor such place. In situations where he doesn’t understand something, may pretend to be stupid, uninterested, or bored. Becomes angry with those who know but refuse to explain what it is not clear to him; believes that they are mocking him. The best environment for him is where everything is 100% understandable.



A lot of this is true in above synopsis. Bold is un-relatable.

I like puzzles and a challenge to unravel the knot. If i don't create the steps myself, i cannot learn it. I cannot know what you know, without me re inventing it in some translation. It is always not a first person point of view.

Overall i'm suggestible, and if any thing in this thread is more truer, it is that.

SLE once told me in a compliment that i'm sure you will figure it out. Yes, i can grind my way through it.

Thinking in my own experience is always something i've worked on to be better.

Overall i feel there is always something not pictured in my cognition in the the realm of T. And i need others to bounce off of, to round it.

[CosmicGenis]

J over P is a false dichotomy here in the Socion, at header in forum is an article showing that it flips if 2nd function is the pivot point.

Thank you for finding the rule. Props to you.

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"Secondly, the trait of rational / irrational is rather "rheostat" (to use the terminology G. Schulman [3]).

In particular, 4 "groups of rationality" stand out:
Group 1 – "Pure Rationals" – Representatives of expressed rational subtypes of rational types (e.g. Ti-LSI) [2]. They are inclined towards rigid sequencing of mental operations and (in part) of their actions. They are most likely to be rational in everyday sense.

Group 2 – Representatives of irrational subtypes of rational types (e.g. Ni-EIE). Here, the subtype's temperament becomes expressed (flexible-maneuvering for introverted rationals, e.g. Ne-EII, and receptive-adaptive for extroverted rationals, e.g. Ni-EIE), which significantly alters external characteristics of information metabolism toward irrationality. Such people are very often mistaken (and mistake themselves) for irrational types (e.g. Ni-EIE typing as ILI or IEI).

Group 3 – Representatives of rational subtypes of irrational types (e.g. Fe-IEI). Here, the subtype's temperament is also expressed (linear-assertive for introverted irrationals, e.g. Te-SLI, and balanced-stable for extroverted irrationals, e.g. Ti-ILE). These people are often mistaken (and mistake themselves) for rational types (e.g. Fe-IEI typing as EIE or ESE).

Group 4 – "Pure Irrationals" – Representatives of irrational subtypes of irrational types (e.g. Ni-ILI) They may indeed be extremely spontaneous and little predictable to others. This is irrationality even in the everyday sense. "

From: https://wikisocion.github.io/en/inde...nd_Tsypin.html

Here's part of it with J P flip.

[thistle]

Ti as suggestive function EIE (ENFj; Hamlet) ESE (ESFj; Hugo)

Deliberately searches for a place where everything is clear and avoids those places where something remains unclear, primarily from the point of view of common sense. Needs people who know how to make complicated things more understandable and becomes attached to such people. If you tell him that something is going to be difficult to understand, then he won’t even make attempts. If you tell him that it will be easy to understand, he will become inspired by this. Very suggestible by understanding of other people and, in general, by any logic, thus can easily believe in the most bizarre and unrealistic things, very easy to convince. Loves to learn, but to those courses where everything is explained in meticulous detail. Lectures where instructor simply gives terms and facts repel him, as each term must be explained to him in detail. Can easily get tricked because of this suggestibility through logic. Wherever someone gives them explanations so that everything is simple and clear, they will favor such place. In situations where he doesn’t understand something, may pretend to be stupid, uninterested, or bored. Becomes angry with those who know but refuse to explain what it is not clear to him; believes that they are mocking him. The best environment for him is where everything is 100% understandable.



A lot of this is true in above synopsis. Bold is un-relatable.

I like puzzles and a challenge to unravel the knot. If i don't create the steps myself, i cannot learn it. I cannot know what you know, without me re inventing it in some translation. It is always not a first person point of view.

Overall i'm suggestible, and if any thing in this thread is more truer, it is that.

SLE once told me in a compliment that i'm sure you will figure it out. Yes, i can grind my way through it.

Thinking in my own experience is always something i've worked on to be better.

Overall i feel there is always something not pictured in my cognition in the the realm of T. And i need others to bounce off of, to round it.

If i don't create the steps myself, i cannot learn it. I cannot know what you know, without me re inventing it in some translation. - This really sounds like valued introverted thinking especially if you grind your way through it. Unvalued would be like wishing you could delegate that "figuring out" part to someone else.

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https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...=1#post1609130

https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...=1#post1609132


A member asked about a ''type image'' comparison in the link, and in the links above is an example of whom i identify with a few samples of writing.

Not comprehensive in volume, but it rang a type bell to me.

[godslave]

https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...=1#post1609130

https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...=1#post1609132


A member asked about a ''type image'' comparison in the link, and in the links above is an example of whom i identify with a few samples of writing.

Not comprehensive in volume, but it rang a type bell to me.

[Braingel]

“Type images” are always going to be the worst way to type. I don’t mean to imply sensors are the worst type, but generally people who apply those are sensors. It isn’t that sensors don’t have a good approach, rather their element isn’t as good for an abstract concept that dwells breath the observable at all its times, and it misses the developments, possibilities and root essence of said personality, confining it into this static premise of a fixed trait and archetype. Type images are the way to ensure you have a high probability of making many mistypes..

[Braingel]

I've been married to SEI for years, and her Te PoLR is there everyday, and since my dad died recently, we've been remodeling his place and the PoLR will make your eyes water.

My Ti isnt like that. I could see it in seeking and Si in PoLR. That was my sentiment here early on initially.

Condolences for the conscious loss.. Though he is always there in the unconscious realm of, immortality.

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IEE vote

nifl here.

So far forum votes, including thread: IEI, IEE, EIE, SEI, ESE ILE EII.

More toward EIE in tally.

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Going by dynamic or static forum info., i'm actioned in verbs in a process, and that is something i've noticed in my style of writing here on forum. It is moving, not still in snapshots, in those past tenses.

My poetry is about moving in thru time, processes, not still or here in past tense frames. Moving, like in a moving picture.

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Si in this thread, or lack thereof, several posts in lower thread.

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https://daddygulenko4life.blogspot.c...criptions.html

EIE normalize type. Me.

From a little research this is the thinky subtype.

Ti Fi

[Hot Scalding Gayser]

Hey. Te Polrs are standing right here!!!

I don't know your type, you do seem strong Fi though. 'I only know something as connection in something else' or what you said a few months back. I wouldn't quite word it that way for my own thinking processes, but I related the most with that and I do that a lot too. I mean my brain is always making these 4D Fi comparisons, but I also can kind of ignore them and see how something is narcissistically in its vacuum state as well like in my story the villains are these campy narcissists that just become 'The Idea Of' something, though naturally a villain turning into an Idea makes people want to fight it and bring in the Fe warriors so it's a kind of cheap bullshit way to dissect something. And all narcs need their narc supply or they completely vanish, and that isn't that interesting to me. I find it difficult to be as nihilistic as ILIs are, no shade to them.

The outside world seemed more bleak and dreary today, like it's obviously always more bleak than it is compared to a Disney show or whatever, but it just seemed extra bleak and I kinda assumed that's what everybody or 'most people' was feeling rather than it just being my own emotion. I still don't really know. I think there is a certain sadism online where people want to watch people having meltdowns and stuff but irl neurotypical don't meltdown so much as shutdown, and that isn't as satisfying so a lot of sadism/masochism going on it feels like. But that also can be hot so I don't care that much.

I don't know what I'm really saying completely, but something about the way you post brings out a floodgate. Maybe it's just your high empathy, like you said before. Maybe I'm the narc and you are my supply. Kidding.

I could see you being IEE or EIE not really sure- my brain can't work right now. I need to sleep again but I'm wired up on NARCISSISM! <3

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Si PoLR waves back^


Way closer than SEI in my other thread vote.

[Irene Add]

For some reason, I see ILEs talk directly. They are extroverted (not much reflection) and they have Ti in their ego. Kind assholes. They're kinda like SLEs even when trolling or posting nonsense.
The ones I see with more fluff and are poetic are Beta NF types. Unless we are already talking 1 on 1, I would have to squint to understand what they are talking about. But they are engaging. Have you heard an ILE explain? Robotic. They don't give much fun feelings. Personally it makes me sleep.

The jumper thing is too DaveSuperPowers. I think MBTI tend to relate quirkiness and eccentric behavior to ENTP too much.

Imo it makes sense to type based on who you think you type as. You should feel certain similarities even if you don't like them very much. Though specially irl quadra mates and neighbors have chemistry so you probably tend to like them even if nothing special particularly happens.

I think the four strong Ne types are all good at quirk or lateral thinking but that ILE are lowkey asking for a hosting, Fe response and
for chillness, the Beta and Gamma for keyed up stalwartness, and the Delta for a supportive, problem-solving, chill person

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I think the four strong Ne types are all good at quirk or lateral thinking but that ILE are lowkey asking for a hosting, Fe response and
for chillness, the Beta and Gamma for keyed up stalwartness, and the Delta for a supportive, problem-solving, chill person

Lowkey think Ne influence can help with tunneling issues. It just cancels all magical thinking and synchronicities crap.

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12 Months later and here we are. Lol.