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    I don't know if it is any worth to you, but from limited Interaction I find ESE very fitting.

    I see no crass signs of T and a certain "deliberate" aversion of Se. The way You write has this very playful Ne-side [the following will maybe sound ramble-y, sorry]: It is proud of itself, it seeks admiration, it wants to be answered; very much like an activating function. Also the wish to "uncover the hidden truths" is very much Ne-seeking to me. And I can't put any quotes here, but "in the data I collected" -to put strangely-, you employ a lot of Fe. Just the way you answer posts, the appreciation, the likes, sometimes a very sharp word... [could be sth like Fe Role ofc]

    In my very personal understanding I often find the sensory types to "feel" far more intuitive; because they search for it, they want it, they need it. So they feel their intuitive side far more acutely than an Intuitive would (because its their ego/super-Id: they don't care so much, it's natural to them). [I am sure some people would disagree here, so take it as you wish; in the end it's your type, you know yourself best]

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    Quote Originally Posted by SilentFace View Post
    I don't know if it is any worth to you, but from limited Interaction I find ESE very fitting.

    I see no crass signs of T and a certain "deliberate" aversion of Se. The way You write has this very playful Ne-side [the following will maybe sound ramble-y, sorry]: It is proud of itself, it seeks admiration, it wants to be answered; very much like an activating function. Also the wish to "uncover the hidden truths" is very much Ne-seeking to me. And I can't put any quotes here, but "in the data I collected" -to put strangely-, you employ a lot of Fe. Just the way you answer posts, the appreciation, the likes, sometimes a very sharp word... [could be sth like Fe Role ofc]

    In my very personal understanding I often find the sensory types to "feel" far more intuitive; because they search for it, they want it, they need it. So they feel their intuitive side far more acutely than an Intuitive would (because its their ego/super-Id: they don't care so much, it's natural to them). [I am sure some people would disagree here, so take it as you wish; in the end it's your type, you know yourself best]

    just my two cents
    I appreciate the effort and this is a very SLI approach to typing. Confirmed type.

    Just an FYI :

    I believe i am EP in temperament I have no agenda, no EJ push, no expectations nor concision. I adapt as Johnny on the spot. Quickly and rapidly with ideas. Snap snap your fingers. Snap!

    I little Fe typology cartoon caption. Imagine all 16 birds on a wire.

    How do birds of a wire, avoid the fire?

    The convo never got amped, it was never grounded.

    They said,'' I couldn't resist, it was too short.''

    They conducted themselves with dignity.


    I wrote this before here. And something like this can be written in minutes on the fly. Lol. *Pun alert*
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    Quote Originally Posted by Distance View Post
    I appreciate the effort and this is a very SLI approach to typing. Confirmed type.

    Just an FYI :

    I believe i am EP in temperament I have no agenda, no EJ push, no expectations nor concision. I adapt as Johnny on the spot. Quickly and rapidly with ideas. Snap snap your fingers. Snap!

    I little Fe typology cartoon caption. Imagine all 16 birds on a wire.

    How do birds of a wire, avoid the fire?

    The convo never got amped, it was never grounded.

    They said,'' I couldn't resist, it was too short.''

    They conducted themselves with dignity.

    I wrote this before here. And something like this can be written in minutes on the fly. Lol. *Pun alert* :lol:
    LOL :)

    Sure, you do you.

    It does not take away from my arguments, though. Creativity is not type-bound.

    [fyi I don't take temperaments, subtypes, all that jazz in consideration. For me it's just dilution of the theory. Many people would assign EP temp to me irl, too]

    Good luck on finding your type :)
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    OK a little fun.

    Another EJ vote, Fe base with the ol Si this time. Squishy gave a partial here too. 1.5 ESE votes.

    I'm staging this thread a bit trying to make it entertaining and lively. I also like to see everyone's viewpoints, I seem to always find some takeaway in anything.

    I'm pretty sure I'm not ESE. I know too many to know I know I'm not it.

    I also think Ne base I'm not. I think I role it out in the role function. Ne is potential or even consequences reading, and I show enough of it I think, for a role.

    It's like second nature.

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    https://www.personalitycafe.com/threads/poems.617002/

    Look at the math poem from an ENFP in above link. Looks like my play word styles. Hmm I'm looking the type.

    I reason this way as mentioned in this thread by me. Analogical creations. Reasoning by principles is a fish out of water syndrome to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Distance View Post
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    I know a few might think EIE, but i'm way too silly and flighty, and not enshrouded in any emotional turmoil blankets. Easy going is a motto IRL. I.e., i fail to see EJ in any type in any subtype. Thanks.
    Maybe EIE, like many in the forum.

    I don't think 'silly' is a word ILE would use to describe themselves.

    Also, regarding the ESE typing, being ESE means having Ni polr, it's not 'aversion to Se'. Are you the soul of the company constantly organizing and managing parties and outings no matter that you've been economically tight lately? Always out and about because human interaction meaning never-ending expansion of circle of friends for no other reason than adding more and more people depending on you to your contacts? Often running into debt for not well thought out expenditures? Then maybe you're Ni polr.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rusal View Post
    Maybe EIE, like many in the forum.

    I don't think 'silly' is a word ILE would use to describe themselves.

    Also, regarding the ESE typing, being ESE means having Ni polr, it's not 'aversion to Se'. Are you the soul of the company constantly organizing and managing parties and outings no matter that you've been economically tight lately? Always out and about because human interaction meaning never-ending expansion of circle of friends for no other reason than adding more and more people depending on you to your contacts? Often running into debt for not well thought out expenditures? Then maybe you're Ni polr.
    Yeah that's the type in a nutshell, more or less.

    Not in me though for that fancy flight of flippy forays finding false fortunes fortuitously forever in the land of Ni timeless treks.

    Self typing is hard for sure. My method has been to try to find written forms via forum communication for similar patterns of thought.

    And i'm not sure where my ego lies in thought and statement for any of the 16 stereo types, other than i feel sensing is low and i lean into anchors in reality by grounded people, to at least feel grounded, anyway.

    And thanks Rusal. You sure are EIE, you control the chaos on the forum with accurate info. to help others be guided in straight lines avoiding the traps of misdirected info.



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    Of the Reinin dichotomies i have Obstinate, Constructiveness, Carefree, Tactical & Negativist are solid and they do not waver. The rest i do not understand well enough.

    The strategic group i least identify with. With EIE they are EJ and move in thru these future zones.

    I have had visions of my life even early on, where my future lies and move work toward these. It seems i always knew where my potential lies, and it is a self fulfilling prophecy. Like i already knew the last page of the book at 10 or 12 in age. Like i've seen all the cycles in a general format of where it lies, and The End.


    That nixes all straight 16 types. I do wonder how subtypes affect this.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Distance View Post
    Of the Reinin dichotomies i have Obstinate, Constructiveness, Carefree, Tactical & Negativist are solid and they do not waver. The rest i do not understand well enough.

    The strategic group i least identify with. With EIE they are EJ and move in thru these future zones.

    I have had visions of my life even early on, where my future lies and move work toward these. It seems i always knew where my potential lies, and it is a self fulfilling prophecy. Like i already knew the last page of the book at 10 or 12 in age. Like i've seen all the cycles in a general format of where it lies, and The End.


    That nixes all straight 16 types. I do wonder how subtypes affect this.
    You are just full of possibilities. You extude Ne from every single crevice of your body, and it's infruriating to keep up with you at times. You keep looking into and at the potential possibilities. You keep thinking, and wondering "what if I am this type"? If you're thinking about anything other than IEE, then you're lost in the Aushra sauce. I can't see how you are Si base and Fe secondary, and have 1D Ne. Everything you say is centered around the Ne function. I haven't seen much interest in logic, or systems from you, so low Ti. You flip-flop a lot. You are indecisive and you have been poking around and experimenting with types. Anyone who says otherwise needs to step back and leave.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DEAD View Post
    You are just full of possibilities. You extude Ne from every single crevice of your body, and it's infruriating to keep up with you at times. You keep looking into and at the potential possibilities. You keep thinking, and wondering "what if I am this type"? If you're thinking about anything other than IEE, then you're lost in the Aushra sauce. I can't see how you are Si base and Fe secondary, and have 1D Ne. Everything you say is centered around the Ne function. I haven't seen much interest in logic, or systems from you, so low Ti. You flip-flop a lot. You are indecisive and you have been poking around and experimenting with types. Anyone who says otherwise needs to step back and leave.
    Rusal and everyone here are good souls. Everyone realises the grit and grind of finding suitable templates for themselves and watch for opportunities to help due to trouble it can lead to.

    What helped me determined IEE again is that evidence in the patterns here in my mentions in this thread of other poster links from the other forums.


    I have the evidence of not SEE which I was falling into that hole here in this thread.

    Everyone, look up Muhammad Ali poetry on Google. He wrote a lot.

    I found us similar in some ways, but he is hard Se.



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    Thinking 'what if I'm this type' and considering types not limited to Ne leads or Ne valuers I think. That's just some fun self-entertainment.

    An Ne lead feels more as working outside formal channels in society hence the whole non central quadra stuff of Ne valuers.

    For example, in ILE it's more related to being able to make a quick buck if they set their mind to it and being generally averse to rules of 'good breeding' (what we know as 'being considerate to strangers'...e.g if they're driving they are not going to stop to allow some old lady cross the street, better hurry next time lady). Plus their ability to extricate themselves from difficult situations makes some of them peak 'informal merchant/tinkerer type'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fiorale View Post
    - Most of the time I've been clueless about your type because I'm not familiar with the writing/thinking style you exhibited. What is obvious is that you are an ethical type, and is likely Si or Ne (comfortable imaginative style both in avatar and words).

    - You don't have the Fi lead of EII, so the choice is left with ESE, SEI and IEE

    - You don't have the obsession with suggestive Ti from the Fe leads. Fe leads are only wishy washy about Ti when there's an active Fe needs to maintain forcing them to sacrifice Ti on the surface (internally still driven by Fe-Ti connection). When they are by themselves, they are quite serious about suggestive Ti. You are playful with Ti when you are by yourself in the post. So that excluded ESE. Overall, you seem like a perceiving lead.

    - IEE can flip flop about what they say quite quickly, as you seemed to do. However, I don't see any mobilizing Te from you. Fi/Te types, especially intuitive types, tend to have a "goal" when they communicate meanings. IEE with mobilizing Te would "poke" at something and then flip the direction. You do not have the "poke".

    - That leaves SEI, whose internal dialogue style I'm not familiar with, so I cannot be certain.
    Your comfort in making posts directed at no one else but yourself (but with the support of other people's presence) could be evidence that you are introverted type.
    Your playful use of Ti could be mobilizing Ti of SEI.
    I don't see obvious Te anywhere in the post, which could mean you are Te polr.
    There are some stubbornness about typing that's different from your usual behavior pattern, which I observed in SEIs as the shadow role Ni when they at times feel they have to follow their own decisions.
    Although, SEI type contradicts with some of your self identified Reinin dichotomies (Obstinate, Constructiveness, Tactical)

    - I have heard an alpha type complaining about some gamma people being too direct, and the alpha type had been using only word plays to indirectly telling things to people to take care of their feelings. So word play and being indirect in communication could be an alpha quadra thing.
    Well thank you. My first SEI vote. 3/4 of one, at least.

    When i quoted DEAD i missed you, on the phone format that is.

    so:

    I think you miss the power of my Ne my dear. Though. ILI have it ignoring.

    ITR for me is SEI marriage wise, and they like me like a fish takes to the waves. It is giving them different perspectives, or as they say, "I would have never had thought of that, that way!" BOOM! I love you darling, and they faint. BAM! * Insert dramatic fire works booms**

    Yep, only one type has ever chased ol' Distance down. Lol.

    Overall i'm looking for someone to take care of my comfort, and we mesh psychologically well, enough. We do not cross talk much, is the take home message.

    Go to page one here, and click the link on poetry. SEI?
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    Quote Originally Posted by fiorale View Post
    Lol no problem. I hope my typing did not offend you. You have been so nice and very considerate towards everyone. Even if there's disagreement in typing, for sure no one wants to see you uncomfortable or being offended.
    It didn't. You left it open rather well, like a true scientist. godslave was typed SEI by an LIE here. I think everyone thought it missed by a light year/ mile, but i even typed him an S onetime. Early on.

    I think what bothers me about people IRL, is if i think black and you think white and looking at the same thing, like so many things in life, it creates a lot of noise. A discordant disturbance.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Distance View Post
    Rusal and everyone here are good souls. Everyone realises the grit and grind of finding suitable templates for themselves and watch for opportunities to help due to trouble it can lead to.

    What helped me determined IEE again is that evidence in the patterns here in my mentions in this thread of other poster links from the other forums.


    I have the evidence of not SEE which I was falling into that hole here in this thread.

    Everyone, look up Muhammad Ali poetry on Google. He wrote a lot.

    I found us similar in some ways, but he is hard Se.

    Yeah, the best way to figure out if you are Se valuing, or Ne valuing is to look at someone like me, or you. We are both on opposite ends of the Extroverted Perceiving EP (Pe function) spectrum. I am Se (willpower, kinetic energy) and you are Ne (possibilities, idea energy). Like I mentioned, you think a lot in terms of the realm of potential and hypothetical possibilities. I think in the realm of [will]power and kinetic, physical energy/objects. As for Ti/Fi, you focus is on the individual/ relational side of things, rather than groups. I focus more on the logical/systematic side of things, and hierarchy from that perspective, and you are a lot more humanitarian than I am (NF).

    Yep, Muhammad Ali's poetry is focused on Se based things, not Ne. Not metaphors/possibilities. It's about conquering, and action and making himself known. It's very concrete rather than metaphorical, too.

    I am America.
    I am the part you won’t recognize.
    But get used to me:
    Black, confident, cocky.
    My name, not yours.
    My religion, not yours.
    My goals, my own.
    Get used to me.

    Muhammad Ali
    How Cassius Took Rome
    To make America the greatest is my goal,
    So I beat the Russians, and I beat the Pole,
    and for the USA won the medal of gold.

    Italians said: “You’re Greater than the Cassius of old".
    We like your name, we like your game,
    So make Rome your home if you will.
    I said I appreciate your kind hospitality,
    But the USA is my country still,
    ‘Cause they’re waiting to welcome me in Louisville.

    LAST NIGHT I HAD A DREAM

    Last night I had a dream, When I got to Africa,
    I had one hell of a rumble.
    I had to beat Tarzan’s behind first,
    For claiming to be King of the Jungle.
    For this fight, I’ve wrestled with alligators,
    I’ve tussled with a whale.
    I done handcuffed lightning
    And throw thunder in jail.
    You know I’m bad.

    just last week, I murdered a rock,
    Injured a stone, Hospitalized a brick.
    I’m so mean, I make medicine sick.

    I’m so fast, man,
    I can run through a hurricane and don’t get wet.
    When George Foreman meets me,
    He’ll pay his debt.
    I can drown the drink of water, and kill a dead tree.

    Wait till you see Muhammad Ali.
    There live a great man named Joe
    There live a great man named Joe
    who was belittled by a loudmouth foe.
    While his rival would taunt and tease
    Joe silently bore the stings.
    And then fought like gladiator in the ring.

    There are faint bits of Ni in there too, but it's mostly Se based. He wants his name known, to make an impact. To get his goals now. To conquer. To prove himself. To stand by his country. Do great things for his nation. He's very direct and doesn't care about flowery, poetic language. Or idealism (from the non-concrete perspective). That's very Se vs Ne.

    Maybe you find him similar because of the creative Fi link. IEE and SEE. But the Ne vs Se is very apparent there.
    I do not suffer fools gladly.

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    I can't see anything else other than Ne.
    Maybe a pure Ne type with an undifferentiated auxiliary?
    Flirt with ideas
    Date opportunities
    Marry problem-solving

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    Quote Originally Posted by fiorale View Post
    I will take note and not type godslove (I'm not typing him SEI, but my type of him might not be what he or DEAD wants to hear). I agree that one should not only pursue black and white typing accuracy, but also consider people's acceptance, impact of type stereotype on one's social standing, respect and hierarchy, etc. as these might be more important in a community.

    godslave will send a PayPal donation if you type him, i promise. Please do continue your work here, and no need to tiptoe. Tip toe thru the tulips. Only

    ILI have a good power about them i like, and that is the ability to create order from the chaos. Like the Borg, but the assimilation is structure, not souls.



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    Quote Originally Posted by fiorale View Post
    I will take note and not type godslove (I'm not typing him SEI, but my type of him might not be what he or DEAD wants to hear). I agree that one should not only pursue black and white typing accuracy, but also consider people's acceptance, impact of type stereotype on one's social standing, respect and hierarchy, etc. as these might be more important in a community.

    Lapsus calami or not that's very sweet of you, thank you !



    I'm not the type that can be offended by the typing a fellow forumite !

    That said, I share the same view on typing someone that either didn't ask for it or has already self-typed. Some might even consider it as gaslighting. But yes, I understand what you mean.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrainlessSquid View Post
    I can't see anything else other than Ne.
    Maybe a pure Ne type with an undifferentiated auxiliary?
    Like no PoLR?

    Maybe ambidextrous like it can happen IRL?

    IDK. If i type switch the question becomes, do i look like both ILE/IEE?

    Ti and Fi are poled, if you use more, you use less in the other domain. It might strengthen both, by both being lower via power. I.e., both weak, but no vulnerable here.

    I was never really interested in a draw for any relations, they just happen. Like, oh i want him as a friend! Never happened. I also do think i understand what happens inside of the human mind thru Fi channels.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Distance View Post
    Like no PoLR?

    Maybe ambidextrous like it can happen IRL?

    IDK. If i type switch the question becomes, do i look like both ILE/IEE?

    Ti and Fi are poled, if you use more, you use less in the other domain. It might strengthen both, by both being lower via power. I.e., both weak, but no vulnerable here.

    I was never really interested in a draw for any relations, they just happen. Like, oh i want him as a friend! Never happened. I also do think i understand what happens inside of the human mind thru Fi channels.
    You seem ILE > IEE
    But I don't see much logical reasoning in your texts

    Your NeTe typing seemed like a good fit
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    Quote Originally Posted by BrainlessSquid View Post
    You seem ILE > IEE
    But I don't see much logical reasoning in your texts

    Your NeTe typing seemed like a good fit
    Is your vote ILE, in this thread? If it is, it has a lot of weight due to your IEE type.



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    My new title under avi should be: A turn in the maze.

    Location: Rothambotham TuTu

    And maybe i should change my forum name to: Expanse And hold it there in permanent ink.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Distance View Post
    Is your vote ILE, in this thread? If it is, it has a lot of weight due to your IEE type.
    Yeah, I'll stick to ILE as best fit until proven otherwise..
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    Quote Originally Posted by BrainlessSquid View Post
    Yeah, I'll stick to ILE as best fit until proven otherwise..
    If you look at my poetry it contains Fi essences in sentimental relations outside of 1D Fi. Not Fe external attractions.

    A good question is whether ILE here relate to it, like SacredKnowing.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Distance View Post
    If you look at my poetry it contains Fi essences in sentimental relations outside of 1D Fi. Not Fe external attractions.

    A good question is whether ILE here relate to it, like SacredKnowing.
    What I said is that ILE is the best fit
    You don't seem to have 4D Fe either
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    @Distance, here is quick-fire of questions from SSS questionnaire, would you be so kind to answer them ?

    1 General to specific, specific to general – what does it mean?

    2 What does "logical" mean? What is your understanding? Do you think that it correlates with the common view?

    3 How do you explain fractions on the dial of the clock?

    4 What is a rule? What rules do you have to follow?

    5 What is hierarchy? Do you need to follow it? Why or why not?

    6 What do you think of instructions? Do you use them? Could you write an instruction manual? If so, what type of instruction manual would you most likely write?

    7 Please explain: "Freedom is in complying with the laws, but not in ignoring the laws"? Do you agree with the statement? Why?

    8 Tell us how about consistent you are?

    9 What is a "standard"? Why do people need it?

    10 You need to put your home library in order. How do you feel about this activity? How will you approach this task?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rusal View Post

    Also, regarding the ESE typing, being ESE means having Ni polr, it's not 'aversion to Se'.
    sorry, I meant "avoidance"


    You are just full of possibilities. You extude Ne from every single crevice of your body, and it's infruriating to keep up with you at times. You keep looking into and at the potential possibilities. You keep thinking, and wondering "what if I am this type"? If you're thinking about anything other than IEE, then you're lost in the Aushra sauce. I can't see how you are Si base and Fe secondary, and have 1D Ne. Everything you say is centered around the Ne function. I haven't seen much interest in logic, or systems from you, so low Ti. You flip-flop a lot. You are indecisive and you have been poking around and experimenting with types. Anyone who says otherwise needs to step back and leave.
    no reason to be rude. You're maybe right, I don't have a lot of interaction with Distance beyond what I read in this thread, but people should remember that socionics is NOT behaviour-based. Seeing someone display a lot of Ne (which is debatable if this is what Distance does...) does not mean it is a strong function. What drives this Ne? Yes, you could argue that it's the egos self-pleasure, sure. But, on the other hand, it could also not be.
    Also Si is VERY personal; it is a very hidden function, almost unnoticable because it is basically "personal impressions of things/events". And typing via poetry is like.. hard no. Who says we use our strong functions to explore something creativly, something maybe unconcious?

    Like I said, I am not trying to push a typing and ESE might be total BS, and I know this thread is "closed", but it was important to me to clarify that socionics should be far more and far deeper than just "I see Ne --> ILE/IEE". Otherwise we are just back at MBTI.
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    This thread is open.

    As Sol here said, ILE IEE EIE. I think the last one was more me in a sentiment on a possibility, and he just repeated it, to eliminate the noise. Diehard Sol. Unfortunately it happened.



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    Quote Originally Posted by SilentFace View Post
    In the End, only Distance will find their own type.
    Quoted for posterity !

    That inspired what I just posted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by godslave View Post
    @Distance, here is quick-fire of questions from SSS questionnaire, would you be so kind to answer them ?

    1 General to specific, specific to general – what does it mean?

    It is a means to ends, one is theory formation paring down with data, the other is analogy formation placing patterns as something is like this other thing over there.

    2 What does "logical" mean? What is your understanding? Do you think that it correlates with the common view?

    It is a process of finding consistency in diverse data, if something makes sense. Fixing and nixing contradictions, or having an eye for it. It is a system of thought, removed from something being absolutely true, it can be true but vacuously true. Logic is local truth.


    3 How do you explain fractions on the dial of the clock?

    Arbitrary divisions that correspond with planet day light cycles. The pie can be sliced anyway you want it.

    4 What is a rule? What rules do you have to follow?

    Rules are tantamount to a law, or principle, and it is an order of thought brought from the chaos.

    Either you follow, or create new ones. Usually we follow, until pragmatism adds or eliminates.

    5 What is hierarchy? Do you need to follow it? Why or why not?

    An ordering of life, and we follow it if talent is placed right. In the animal kingdom it creates survival.

    With us, people in villages just lead, informally. and if done right, it leads to results. Rank. Smart rises, and the rest follow.


    6 What do you think of instructions? Do you use them? Could you write an instruction manual? If so, what type of instruction manual would you most likely write?

    Necessary instruments.

    I think I'd write whatever it was I was pedaling. Lol.

    7 Please explain: "Freedom is in complying with the laws, but not in ignoring the laws"? Do you agree with the statement? Why?

    I think we develop trust in complying, and if everyone were honest, it works the best, laws evolve, we feel secure.

    8 Tell us how about consistent you are?

    I try to be. I'm never late, and I do what I say I will do.

    Reliable is my feedback

    9 What is a "standard"? Why do people need it?

    It is a measure that everyone agrees to, and work into that agreement. It allows for equal transactions, and expectations for security in the end.

    10 You need to put your home library in order. How do you feel about this activity? How will you approach this task??

    I group it by genre, and put popular in a comfortable view on top shelf. I would be lost otherwise. Lol
    Boom
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    Quote Originally Posted by Distance View Post
    Boom

    Thank you for your time ! As you probably already know it, these questions are " Ti " oriented.



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    Blue = Low Dimensionality
    Green = High Dimensionality
    Yellow = Indication of either Mental or Vital Track




    1 General to specific, specific to general – what does it mean?

    It is a means to ends,one is theory formation paring down with data, the other is analogy formation placing patterns as something is like this other thing over there.
    Unusual way of answering. Indicative of Low dimensional Ti (1D). Interpreting Ti throught Ne (TI>Ne)

    Mental Ne

    2 What does "logical" mean? What is your understanding? Do you think that it correlates with the common view?

    It is a process of finding consistency in diverse data, if something makes sense.Fixing and nixing contradictions, or having an eye for it. It is a system of thought, removed from something being absolutely true, it can be true but vacuously true.Logic is local truth.
    Low Dimensional Ti
    TI>Ne
    Ne Mental

    3 How do you explain fractions on the dial of the clock?

    Arbitrary divisions that correspond with planet day light cycles. The pie can be sliced anyway you want it.
    Low D Ti
    Se>Ne
    Ne Mental

    4 What is a rule? What rules do you have to follow?

    Rules are tantamount to a law, or principle, and it is an order of thought brought from the chaos.
    Either you follow, or create new ones. Usually we follow, until pragmatism adds or eliminates.
    Low dimensional Ti
    sign of Mental Ti

    5 What is hierarchy? Do you need to follow it? Why or why not?

    An ordering of life, and we follow it if talent is placed right. In the animal kingdom it creates survival.

    With us, people in villages just lead, informally. and if done right, it leads to results. Rank. Smart rises, and the rest follow.
    Low D Ti (signs of both 2D norm and exp)

    Ti>Ne

    Ti>Te

    Mental Ti


    6 What do you think of instructions? Do you use them? Could you write an instruction manual? If so, what type of instruction manual would you most likely write?

    Necessary instruments.

    I think I'd write whatever it was I was pedaling. Lol.
    Mental Ti
    Ti>Te (?)

    7 Please explain: "Freedom is in complying with the laws, but not in ignoring the laws"? Do you agree with the statement? Why?

    I think we develop trust in complying, and if everyone were honest, it works the best, laws evolve, we feel secure.
    Mental Fi
    HD Fi (situational (st))
    Ti>Te

    Note : some Ni and Fe were involved in this answer.

    8 Tell us how about consistent you are?

    I try to be. I'm never late, and I do what I say I will do.

    Reliable is my feedback
    Ti>Ni

    Te>Fi

    Low D Ti (no Ti info in the answer)

    9 What is a "standard"? Why do people need it?

    It is a measure that everyone agrees to, and work into that agreement. It allows for equal transactions, and expectations for security in the end.
    Low D Ti
    Ti>Te
    TI>Si (?)

    10 You need to put your home library in order. How do you feel about this activity? How will you approach this task??

    I group it by genre, and put popular in a comfortable view on top shelf. I would be lost otherwise. Lol
    Norm Ti
    Fi>Ti
    Si>Ti (?)



    I Tried to squeeze as much relevant data as I could. The purpose of this was to find out if ILE was a reasonable option for you. According to the little data here, I have to conclude that the answer is no. ILE is very unlikely. In fact any T type is unlikely but I can't be sure 100% with so little data. (That said it's not like I've never read your posts ! I'm just pretending to be a serious typist here !).

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    I'm treated like a king at 16T. Royal colors & all.

    Interesting. I saw this kind of work before. I guess low D Ti is talking about it in a narrative, circling about the thing ( thing), in a 3rd person perspective, like to point to it over there >.

    High dimension = walking the talk i assume = 1st person force.

    I think the green is the lynch pin evidence for me for Fi, nixing ILE altogether. It is definitely felt and ego driven, >1st person alert<

    This also kills EIE due to that, and mental Ne > away from vital Ne in the Fe ethical type.

    Re poetry. As i posted here in this thread, my fancy dancy word choice ( dramatic effects here) matched the poster from P. Cafe forum in 2015, and that settled me in, until i get SEI and ILE, but i feel better settled with some realer results.

    Lookin' solid.

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    https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...=1#post1603940

    " an accountant is a mathematician " stated by an IEE in the archives here.

    Ti PoLR alert. Category fail.

    This is my best Ti at everything: mathematician is like an engineer working with auto design, as a car mechanic is to math, like application.

    A cook is not necessarily a chef.
    Now you can get a glimpse into my type jumping. ^ The motives that is.

    It is not as crazy as it looks to create doubts about IEE.
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    I think IEE seems very reasonable for you, you have that wholesome lightness that many of them possess mixed with creativity and absurdity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeadOutside View Post
    I think IEE seems very reasonable for you, you have that wholesome lightness that many of them possess mixed with creativity and absurdity.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Distance View Post


    I came here at 16T thinking ESTP via Gary Busey in his way of parsing.

    I take phrases and twist them like this, hence my entry ESTP type here a year ago. It is holographic at the end of clip.

    Quotes: Fear is the dark room where the Devil develops his negatives. See: https://www.brainyquote.com/authors/gary-busey-quotes

    And see: https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...=1#post1580065

    What are the chances that i'm actually SLE, like him? He is a clear sensing type via interviews and quotes. Nothing ideational and Se dominant in force use.

    What posters here think "Ne" might be strong Ne role. 2 ENTP's on another forum say i'm not Ne but Ni Se. What i show is not extraverted intuition.

    I fail to see me Ne dominant and stringing together and connecting ideas to form new ones.

    My line of reasoning is Busey SLE = me in these same parsing patterns.
    Imagine the peace symbol. The peace symbol has three pieces in it. One piece is emotion, that's your body. Another piece has spirit in it, that's your fuel. Another piece has intellect in it and that's your steering wheel. You can never overdo the fuel that goes into the body, which is the emotions and the steering wheel to drive it.
    Another close match: https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...=1#post1605185



    By George i do declare: He is not SEE nor SLE.

    Imagine an IEE wrestling a bear on the set for 5 hours.

    That is what you call roll Se.



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    Time is man made, it is in essence a change of observable states. It looks "forward" due to the gain from the memory of the static memories in our snapshots. Any gain is more than the back behind experience, and it "moves" in an expansion, and we gauge that as "time." This happened on the calendar year, so and so. An animal is timeless. It is ''here'' in its non verbal memory
    This is my quote from Shout about time.

    Sure looks like strong Ti in there.



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    Dear diary.....

    From:

    Shout:
    An Fi litmus is hearing a lot of proactive preferences in an attraction scale." I" is centered in it. A drawing in to oneself. Oh I like him, oh I don't like that.

    In the Socion parlance of Fi applied in relations, i've hardly lifted a pinky toward anything relationship wise in that want power of things. Especially any networking. What, who wutz that?


    Fi exists in a reactive state is my bottom line. It happens like radium turns into lead. Like noticing a hitchhiker on the road and out of empathy you give them a ride. Operative word is notice.
    Captains log stardate AD 21st century.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DEAD View Post
    Yeah, the best way to figure out if you are Se valuing, or Ne valuing is to look at someone like me, or you. We are both on opposite ends of the Extroverted Perceiving EP (Pe function) spectrum. I am Se (willpower, kinetic energy) and you are Ne (possibilities, idea energy). Like I mentioned, you think a lot in terms of the realm of potential and hypothetical possibilities. I think in the realm of [will]power and kinetic, physical energy/objects. As for Ti/Fi, you focus is on the individual/ relational side of things, rather than groups. I focus more on the logical/systematic side of things, and hierarchy from that perspective, and you are a lot more humanitarian than I am (NF).

    Yep, Muhammad Ali's poetry is focused on Se based things, not Ne. Not metaphors/possibilities. It's about conquering, and action and making himself known. It's very concrete rather than metaphorical, too.







    There are faint bits of Ni in there too, but it's mostly Se based. He wants his name known, to make an impact. To get his goals now. To conquer. To prove himself. To stand by his country. Do great things for his nation. He's very direct and doesn't care about flowery, poetic language. Or idealism (from the non-concrete perspective). That's very Se vs Ne.

    Maybe you find him similar because of the creative Fi link. IEE and SEE. But the Ne vs Se is very apparent there.
    Muhammad Ali was ESI.

    crooked martyr keeps on fucking under the torture he experiences due to the cheating slut (wife or community) he's married to all while whistling and blowing Dixie in the wind. STAY TOGETHER!My victims won't be left behind!

    Do you see the underlined portion? Victimization is LSE/SLE which is why you see I/me/my so much in his otherwise gifted poetry (they do stir-up pleasant visualizations).

    Star Wars, clothing, and gemstones are LSE/SLE. Talbot's is a clothing retailer. Land of the Lustrous and Eureka 7 are LSE/SLE anime.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Distance View Post
    Something of interest cognitively, is i'm drawn into atmospheres or the mood or the essence of something, and am absorbed into it. Like there is no separation of self standing away from it. Not 1+(1 other), but one whole. 1 + 1 = 1

    The "I" is determined by the absorption, other wise no useful individuality.

    You could argue extraverts need people for feeling utility or accomplishments. If the world is a pool table, that is all you see outwardly in E frames and the que ball is there alone, it does nothing.

    This might be Enneagram related too.

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