Israeli–Palestinian war (2023)

[DogOfDanger]

List of wars by death toll - Wikipedia

Thousand Days' War	120,000–180,000+	1899–1902	Colombian Conservatives vs. Colombian Liberals	Colombia	Famine and Civilian casualties are included.[69][70]
Boxer Rebellion	100,000	1899–1901	Boxers vs. Foreign powers	China
South African War (Second Boer War)	73,000–90,000	1899–1902	United Kingdom and allies vs. South African Republic and Orange Free State	South Africa	[71]
Philippine–American War	234,000+	1899–1912	Philippines vs. USA	Philippines	[72] – Also known as the Philippine War
Russo-Japanese War	101,300–206,100	1904–1905	Russia vs. Japan	Northeast Asia
Mexican Revolution	1,000,000–3,500,000	1910–1920	Pro-government vs. Anti-government	Mexico	[73]
1911 Revolution	220,000	1911	Qing China vs. Revolutionaries	China
Balkan Wars	140,000+	1912–1913	See Balkan wars	Balkan Peninsula
World War I	17,000,000-40,000,000	1914–1918	Allied Powers vs. Central Powers	Worldwide	[27] – Also known as the Great War
Russian Civil War	7,000,000–12,000,000	1917–1922	Red army and allies vs. White army and allies	Russia	[74]
Kurdish separatism in Iran	15,000–58,000	1918–present	Qajar dynasty vs. Shekak (tribe)	Iran	[75]
Iraqi–Kurdish conflict	138,800–320,100	1918–2003	Kurdistan/Iraqi Kurdistan and allies vs. Iraq and allies	Iraq	[76][77]
Rif War	90,000	1921–1926	Spain vs. Republic of the Rif	Morocco	[78]
Kurdish–Turkish conflict	100,000+	1921–present	Turkey vs. Kurdish people	Middle East
Second Italo-Senussi War	40,000+	1923–1932	Italy vs. Senussi Order	Libya
Chinese Civil War	8,000,000–11,692,000	1927–1949	ROC vs. PRC	China	[79]
Chaco War	85,000–130,000	1932–1935	Bolivia vs. Paraguay	Gran Chaco
Second Italo–Ethiopian War	278,000+	1935–1936	Ethiopian Empire vs. Italy	Ethiopia	According to Italian government statistics, the Italians suffered 1,148 KIA, 125 DOW, and 31 MIA.[80] According to the Ethiopian government, at least 275,000 Ethiopians died in the brief war.[80][81] – Also known as the Second Italo–Abyssinian War
Spanish Civil War	500,000–1,000,000	1936–1939	Nationalists vs. Republicans	Spain	[31]
Second Sino-Japanese War	20,000,000–25,000,000	1937–1945	Republic of China and allies vs. Japan	China	[82] – Part of World War II
World War II	80,000,000	1939–1945	Allied powers vs. Axis Powers	Worldwide	[27] – Largest and deadliest war in history
Winter War	153,736–194,837	1939–1940	Finland vs. Soviet Union	Finland	– Part of World War II
Greco-Italian War	27,000+	1940–1941	Greece vs. Italy	Southeast Europe	– Part of World War II
Continuation War	387,300+	1941–1944	Finland and Germany vs. Soviet Union	Northern Europe	– Part of World War II
Soviet–Japanese War	33,420–95,768	1945	Soviet Union and Mongolia vs. Japan	Manchuria	– Part of World War II
First Indochina War	400,000+	1946–1954	France vs. Việt Minh, Lao Assara, and Khmer Issarak	Southeast Asia	– Also known as the Indochina War
Partition of India	200,000–2,000,000	1946–1948	India and Pakistan	South Asia	Partition of India
Greek Civil War	158,000+	1946–1949	Greek Government army vs. DSE	Greece	[83][84][85][86]
Kashmir conflict	80,000–110,000	1947–present	India vs. Pakistan	North India / Pakistan
La Violencia	192,700–300,000	1948–1958	Colombian Conservative Party vs. Colombian Liberal Party	Colombia
Internal conflict in Myanmar	130,000–250,000	1948–present	Myanmar vs. Burmese Insurgent Groups	Myanmar	[87]
Arab–Israeli conflict	116,074+	1948–present	Arab Countries vs. Israel	Middle East	[88]
Annexation of Hyderabad	29,000–242,000	1948	Dominion of India vs. Hyderabad	India	– Also known as Operation Polo
Korean War	1,500,000–4,500,000	1950–1953	South Korea and allies vs. North Korea and allies	Korea	[89] American casualties in the Korean War included 54,246 dead and 103,284 wounded.
Algerian War	400,000–1,500,000	1954–1962	Algeria vs. France	Algeria	[90] – Also known as the Algerian War of Independence
Ethnic conflict in Nagaland	34,000+	1954–present	India and Myanmar vs. Naga People	Northeast India	[91]
Vietnam War	1,300,000–4,300,000	1955–1975	South Vietnam and allies vs. North Vietnam and allies	Vietnam	[92][93][94] American casualties in the Vietnam War included 58,226 dead and 304,000 wounded. – Also known as the Second Indochina War - Includes deaths in Cambodia and Laos
First Sudanese Civil War	500,000+	1955–1972	Sudan vs. South Sudanese Rebels	Sudan
Congo Crisis	100,000+	1960–1965	DRC, USA, and Belgium vs. Simba and Kwilu Rebels	Congo	[95]
Angolan War of Independence	83,000–103,000	1961–1974	Angola vs. Portugal and South Africa	Angola
North Yemen Civil War	100,000–200,000	1962–1970	Kingdom of Yemen and Saudi Arabia vs. Yemen Arab Republic and United Arab Republic	Yemen	[96]
Mozambican War of Independence	63,500–88,500	1964–1974	FRELIMO vs. Portugal	Mozambique	[97]
Insurgency in Northeast India	25,000+	1964–present	India and allies vs. Insurgent Groups	Northeast India	[87]
Colombian conflict	220,000-450,000+	1964–present	Colombia and allies vs. Far Left guerillas and Far Right paramilitares	Colombia	[98]
Nigerian Civil War	1,000,000–3,000,000	1967–1970	Nigeria vs. Biafra	Nigeria	– Also known as the Biafran War
Moro conflict	120,000+	1969–2019	Philippines vs. Jihadist Groups vs. Bangsamoro	Philippines	[99]
Communist rebellion in the Philippines	30,000–43,000	1969–present	Philippines vs. Communist Party of the Philippines	Philippines	[100]
Bangladesh Liberation War	400,000–3,600,000+	1971	India and Bangladesh vs. Pakistan	Bangladesh	[101] – Also known as the Bangladesh War of IndependenceFigure includes 30,000 military dead, 300,000 to 3,000,000 Bengali civilian and 64,000 to 600,000 Bihari civilian deaths [102][103]
Ethiopian Civil War	500,000–1,500,000	1974–1991	Derg, PEDR, and Cuba vs. Anti-Communist rebel groups	Ethiopia
Angolan Civil War	504,158+	1975–2002	MPLA and Cuba vs. UNITA and South Africa	Angola
South African invasion of Angola	50,000+	1975–1976	Cuba and MPLA vs. South Africa, FNLA, UNITA and Zaire	Angola	50,000 Angolans dead (mostly civilians)[31] – Part of the South African Border War and the Angolan Civil War
Indonesian invasion of East Timor	100,000–200,000	1975–1976	Indonesia vs. East Timor	East Timor
Lebanese Civil War	120,000–150,000	1975–1990	Various groups	Lebanon
Insurgency in Laos	100,000+	1975–2007	Laos and Vietnam vs. "Secret army" and Hmong people	Laos	[104]
Ogaden War	60,000	1977–1978	Ethiopia and Cuba vs. Somalia	Ethiopia	[105]
Afghanistan conflict	1,400,000–2,500,000	1978–present	see Afghanistan conflict	Afghanistan	[106]
Kurdish–Turkish conflict	45,000+	1978–present	Turkey vs. KCK	Middle East	[107] – Part of the Kurdish rebellions in Turkey
Soviet–Afghan War	600,000–2,000,000	1979–1989	Soviet Union and Afghanistan vs. Insurgent groups	Afghanistan	[108][109][110] – Part of War in Afghanistan
Salvadoran Civil War	70,000–80,000	1979–1992	El Salvador vs. FMLN	El Salvador	[111][112]
Iran–Iraq War	500,000–1,500,000	1980–1988	Iran and allies vs. Iraq and allies	Middle East	[113]
Internal conflict in Peru	70,000+	1980–present	Peru vs. PCP-SL and MRTA	Peru	[114]
Ugandan Bush War	100,000–500,000	1981–1986	ULNF and Tanzania vs. National Resistance Army	Uganda	[115][116] – Also known as the Luwero War
Second Sudanese Civil War	1,000,000–2,000,000	1983–2005	Sudan vs. South Sudanese rebels	Sudan
Sri Lankan Civil War	80,000–100,000	1983–2009	Sri Lanka vs. Tamil Tigers	Sri Lanka	[117]
Somali Civil War	300,000–500,000	1986–present	Varying Somali governments vs. insurgent groups	Somalia	[118][119]
Lord's Resistance Army insurgency	100,000–500,000	1987–present	Lord's Resistance Army vs. Central African states	Central Africa	[120]
Nagorno-Karabakh conflict	50,000+	1988–2024	Artsakh and Armenia vs. Azerbaijan and allies	Caucasus region	– Also known as the Artsakh Liberation War
Gulf War	25,500–40,500	1990–1991	Iraq vs. Coalition Forces	Kuwait, Iraq and Saudi Arabia
Rwandan Civil War	500,000–807,500	1990–1994	Rwandan Patriotic Front rebel forces vs. Rwanda	Rwanda	– The majority of casualties were civilians killed by Hutu rebels in the Rwandan genocide.
Algerian Civil War	44,000–200,000	1991–2002	Algeria vs. FIS loyalists vs. GIA	Algeria	[121]
Bosnian War	97,000–105,000	1991–1995	Bosnia and Herzegovinian governments and allies vs. Republika Srpska and allies	Bosnia
1991 Iraqi uprisings	85,000–235,000	1991	Iraq vs various rebels	Iraq	[122][123][124] – Also known as the Sha'aban Intifada
Tajikistan Civil War	20,000-150,000	1992-1997	Tajikistan and supporters vs United Tajik Opposition and supporters	Tajikistan	[125][126]
Eritrean–Ethiopian War	70,000–300,000	1998–2000	see Eritrean–Ethiopian War	Eritrean–Ethiopian border
Sierra Leone Civil War	50,000–300,000	1991–2002	see Sierra Leone Civil War	Sierra Leone
Burundian Civil War	300,000+	1993–2005	Burundi vs. Hutu rebels vs. Tutsi rebels	Burundi	[127]
First Congo War	250,000–800,000	1996–1997	Zaire and allies vs. AFDL and allies	Congo
Second Congo War	2,500,000–5,400,000	1998–2003	See Second Congo War	Central Africa	[128][129][130][131] – Also known as the Great War of Africa
Ituri conflict	60,000+	1999–2003	Lendu Tribe vs. Hemu Tribe and allies	Congo	[132] – Part of the Second Congo War
War on terror	272,000–1,260,000	2001–2021	Anti-Terrorist Forces vs. Terrorist groups	Worldwide	[133][134][135][136] – Also known as the Global War on Terrorism
War in Afghanistan (2001–2021)	212,191+	2001–2021	See War in Afghanistan (2001–2021)	Afghanistan	[134] – Part of the War on Terror and Afghanistan conflict
Insurgency in the Maghreb	70,000+	2002–present	See Insurgency in the Maghreb (2002–present)	Algeria, Libya, Mali, Burkina Faso, Niger, Chad, Mauritania and other Maghreb and Sahel countries	Part of the War on Terror. Includes Mali War, Libyan crisis (various factions of Libyan crisis vs Islamists) Jihadist insurgency in Burkina Faso and Jihadist insurgency in Niger.
US Invasion of Iraq	800,000-1,000,000[citation needed]	2003	United States, the United Kingdom, Australia and Poland vs Iraq	Iraq	The invasion phase began on 19 March 2003 (air) and 20 March 2003 (ground) and lasted just over one month
Iraq War (US lead Coalition Invasion of Iraq & subsequent war)	405,000–654,965	2003–2011	See Iraq War	Iraq	[135][136][134]– Part of the War on Terror See: Casualties of the Iraq War
War in Darfur	300,000+	2003–present	SRF and allies vs. Sudan and allies vs. UNAMID	Sudan	[137]
Kivu Conflict	100,000+	2004–present	see Kivu Conflict	Congo	– Part of the Second Congo War
Insurgency in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa	46,872–79,000	2004–present	Pakistan, USA, and UK vs. Terrorist groups	Pakistan	[134] – Also known as the War in Waziristan– Part of the War on Terror and War in Afghanistan (2001–present)
Mexican drug war	200,000–400,000+	2006–present	Mexico vs. Drug cartels, including inter-cartel conflicts	Mexico	[138][139] – Also known as the Mexican War on Drugs
Boko Haram insurgency	350,000+	2009–present	Multinational Joint Task Force vs. Boko Haram	Nigeria with spillover into Cameroon, Chad, Mali and Niger	2,400,000 internally displaced
Libyan crisis	30,000–43,000[140][141][142][143]	2011–present	First stage: Libyan Arab Jamahiriya vs Anti-Gaddafi forces; Second stage: Libyan National Army vs various militias (including jihadists); Third stage: House of Representatives vs Government of National Accord vs Islamic State and other jihadist militias	Libya	Includes the First Libyan Civil War, Factional violence in Libya and the Second Libyan Civil War
Syrian civil war	580,000–613,407+	2011–present	Syrian Arab Republic vs. Republic of Syria vs. ISIL vs. Syrian Democratic Forces	Syria	See: Casualties of the Syrian civil war
Rojava–Islamist conflict	50,000+	2013–present	Syrian Democratic Forces vs. Islamic States of Iraq and Levant vs. al-Nusra Front	Syria	100,000[144] Syrian Kurds fleeing to Turkey
South Sudanese Civil War	383,000+[145]	2013–2020	South Sudan vs. SPLM-IO	South Sudan	About 190,000 died of violence and 383,000 died if healthcare services disruption and war-caused food scarcity factored in as of 2018
War in Iraq (2013–2017)	195,000–200,000+	2013–2017	Iraq and allies vs. ISIL	Iraq
Yemeni Civil War	377,000+	2014–present	Yemen's Supreme Political Council vs. Hadi Government, Saudi-led Coalition and the UAE-backed Southern Movement vs Al-Qaeda	Yemen	UNDP estimate for the end of 2021. 60% attributable to hunger and disease. Also part of the Arab Winter.
Tigray War	162,000–378,000+ (Total civilian casualties including famine victims, per Ghent University)[146]	2020–2022	UFEFCF vs. Ethiopian and Eritrean Government	Ethiopia (Tigray, Afar and Amhara Regions)	Part of the Ethiopian civil conflict.
Myanmar Civil War	49,219	2021–present	National Unity Government vs. State Administration Council	Myanmar	Part of the Internal conflict in Myanmar.
Russian invasion of Ukraine	300,000+	2022–present	Russia vs. Ukraine	Ukraine	Estimates of deaths vary widely.[147][148] The Ukrainian government stopped publishing country's demographic statistics starting from January 2022. Part of the Russo-Ukrainian War.
Hamas–Israel war	38,709–47,656+	2023–present	Israel vs Hamas and other Palestinian militant groups	Israel, Gaza Strip, spillover into West Bank, Lebanon, Syria	Part of the Israeli–Palestinian con

25 of these wars or conflicts are still happening today.
As you can see, the Hamas-Israel war is actually one of the least bloody wars in the last century. It's also probably one of the most justified ones, considering it from Israels standpoint, but of course it's the one you people are most enraged about.

I could possibly respect an absolutist position that no war is ever acceptable under any circumstances. I don't agree with that, I think the argument would be very easy to tear apart, just war theory gives plenty of adequate justification for war given certain conditions... but at least an absolutist position would be internally consistent and contend with the full issue. Instead you people act as if war is outrageous in just this instance, not because of any particular rationale (your rationale was thoroughly shredded numerous times), but just "the poor children"... but I don't see anyone here suggesting this logic should apply to other wars or all wars... frankly I don't see anyone who opposes this war contending with any of the logical consequences of their statements... (incidentally alot of the larger numbers in that table occurred during communist or socialist revolutions, something most of you openly advocate for on a regular basis... but you people don't even give a moments pause to the fact when it's mentioned to you).

Almost 8x the people have been killed in Ukraine and that's a situation that isn't religiously motivated, so it could actually be resolved through political means... plus the US administration along with NATO actually had a role to play in instigating Russias actions.. and are continuing the war / using Ukrainians and the Russian citizenry as pawns to further their own geopolitical schemes there. If you're outraged by the war in Gaza, why aren't you outraged over the Wests involvement / continued funding in Ukraine...? It seems to be only Hamas and the pro-terrorism brainwashed Palestinian population that you sympathize with, perhaps because they are the "oppressed" according to your very inverted, dumbed down worldviews... worldviews you didn't come up with but just hopped on board with because it was trendy.

Hell, look at the Mexican drug war - 200K-400K have died in that war, and it's been going on for the last 20 years. Those cartels would not exist without the drug trade over the US-mexico border. And most of you people arguing in favor of Hamas here are also strongly in favor of political parties that have open border policies, policies which enable that drug trade. ~300K - that's about 9x the deaths in Gaza. And what about the 100K US citizens who die of overdoses a year now, mostly from fentanyl, mostly teens and young adults...? But you certainly do not care about that.

Beheading a government intent on annihilating its neighbor, when otherwise the problem will only get worse and nuclear weapons are a long term prospect, is the safest / least bloody option, as been explained many times... this is a fact which you, being a mindless toddler, have ignored many times.

When it comes down to it you don't understand the first thing about Islam or Palestine, you shy away from conversation about the actual problems there and what to do about it... you crash and burn when you try to talk about it. But rationale doesn't matter when you are just set on proclaiming to everyone your unearned moral virtue, or looking to cause chaos / take out your anger toward your father on something.
We can only be thankful that for now you dunces aren't the ones making these decisions.

[chriscorey]

People, go on X. They all hate Jews. Real free speech lets you see the truth.

No Muslim countries will take the Palestinians in. Why? History.

There are no Jews in surrounding Arab countries. There are no Christians either.

Numbers don't lie. People do.

Hamas are killing Palestinians when they go for the aid. Hamas shot mortars at America bringing in aid.

It's an ideology brainwashing shit show here.

[Still Alive]

pretty iconic pic

https://twitter.com/tory4heisman/sta...43657726664830

the video that showes her will make you like her more.

[chriscorey]

You guys should check out Elica Le Bon. She's Iranian and talks about the injustice in the middle east and here in the west.

We should support the Iranian people. Their new government changed their flag and brutalizes women in the street.

Iranian Jews whose families fled persecution in Iran for being “Zionists” (used interchangeably with Jewish, if you hadn’t caught on yet, and executed for that reason) then displaced as refugees to Israel now being attacked for the same reason by the children of the privileged American elite who have no idea what we’ve been through in the Middle East not only makes me fuming mad, but also confirms that they are recreating the Islamic Republic here - the place we left to be safe from extremism, Islamism, tyranny, oppression, and fascism. This America is unraveling. Who is this America working for, out of curiosity?


--Elica Le Bon

[chriscorey]

Note the crazy left "you're racist!'

That's all they have; lies.

There are Muslims and Palestinians who reject their ideology on Twitter.

[chriscorey]

I go to a store owned by Middle Eastern people. They are wonderful; I even met their kids.

They barely speak English but they conveyed to me they are afraid.

I said "how are you?" He said "not good, not good, news"

I was sad. He shouldn't have to be afraid.

[chriscorey]

The war between Palestinians and Israel is religious. @xerx would have you not believe that because it makes his argument more simple. He's Marxist who hates the west. He uses the Palestinian people as his talking point.

All the dead in Syria and other places with real genocide will haunt him.

[xerx]

The war between Palestinians and Israel is religious. @xerx would have you not believe that because it makes his argument more simple. He's Marxist who hates the west. He uses the Palestinian people as his talking point.

All the dead in Syria and other places with real genocide will haunt him.

This massacre of the Palestinians—this plausible genocide—is going to haunt the people who excused it. They'll have a permanent stain on their conscience. Their recorded statements, thanks to television and social media, will be visible for their grandchildren to see, and the epithet of "denier" will appear on their Wikipedia pages.



Also, I'm not a Marxist, and I don't hate the West (and Marxists don't even necessarily hate the West).

[chriscorey]

This massacre of the Palestinians—this plausible genocide—is going to haunt the people who excused it. They'll have a permanent stain on their conscience. Their recorded statements, thanks to television and social media, will be visible for their grandchildren to see, and the epithet of "denier" will appear on their Wikipedia pages.



Also, I'm not a Marxist, and I don't hate the West (and Marxists don't even necessarily hate the West).

There is no genocide. There is war. Everything will be seen. You're right. A population that increases despite "genocide"

Go find some real research.

Muslim Americans live in fear of Islam. Get bent you racist radical.

[chriscorey]

This massacre of the Palestinians—this plausible genocide—is going to haunt the people who excused it. They'll have a permanent stain on their conscience. Their recorded statements, thanks to television and social media, will be visible for their grandchildren to see, and the epithet of "denier" will appear on their Wikipedia pages.



Also, I'm not a Marxist, and I don't hate the West (and Marxists don't even necessarily hate the West).

My friend (Satan) says "hi" the best undercover cop that ever lived. You're lying. HEAR your thoughts.

[chriscorey]

Know who you're fighting left...

[chriscorey]

If you ever wondered how the Holocaust happened? People like @xerx.

Let them have free speech. We will watch....

[chriscorey]

^ trying to get out of it...

[chriscorey]

All those elite liberal art students. Pro Palestine! Let's go @xerx



the American flag!

[Still Alive]

>drunk, middle aged woman with a failed existence rambles around with her hate-filled doggy friend about why killing civillians is the right and just thing to do. - the thread

I think the interesting thing to me is that xerx would probably be someone that would have hidden jews from the nazis back then, but people without a soul and conscience aren't capable of seeing that.

If you ever wondered how the Holocaust happened? People like @xerx.

this person is just too dumb to see it. there's nothing you can really do except to accept that some people are just really miserable human beings

[chriscorey]

>drunk, middle aged woman with a failed existence rambles around with her hate-filled doggy friend about why killing civillians is the right and just thing to do. - the thread

I think the interesting thing to me is that xerx would probably be someone that would have hidden jews from the nazis back then, but people without a soul and conscience aren't capable of seeing that.



this person is just too dumb to see it. there's nothing you can really do except to accept that some people are just really miserable human beings

You really are the worst. I talk to the most intelligent people on Twitter. You're a joke on this website. You're a joke.

[DogOfDanger]

I think the interesting thing to me is that xerx would probably be someone that would have hidden jews from the nazis back then, but people without a soul and conscience aren't capable of seeing that.

You would have needed to oppose the allies bombing of Germany and mass killing of German civilians to be consistent with your current position. And back then you would have been widely mocked for that viewpoint. Now that we have Marxist leftist institutions and a brainwashed culture it's a different matter, but back then the US population would not have stood for this anti-patriotism, which is based in a deeply impractical stupidity. Though in actual fact you would never have held such a position, because it would not have been trendy back then - you're a feeble minded person, you didn't come up with your worldview it was provided for you.

>drunk, middle aged woman with a failed existence rambles around with her hate-filled doggy friend about why killing civillians is the right and just thing to do. - the thread
this person is just too dumb to see it. there's nothing you can really do except to accept that some people are just really miserable human beings

The fact this sloppy babble is your mental summary of this conversation is just a testament to your complete lack of thinking ability or reading comprehension. And every time you join the conversation it is immediately brought down into the most mindless name calling and self congratulation, literally I cannot beg you hard enough to follow the conversation or use your brain for 2 seconds. I think everything you have said at any point in this conversation has been addressed 4 different times in a comprehensive way, and at no point have you ever contended with any of that rationale regarding your arguments, at all... just completely ignored it and repeated the same thing again, and again...

For example, there have been long winded posts talking about just war theory. It's also been pointed out repeatedly that your position implies an absolutist anti-war position, which is patently absurd and untenable - and is a position that no one takes seriously anywhere. I have never heard a single word from you addressing any of these problems with your position, just seen you come back and mindlessly repeat it again. If your goal is to promote yourself as a beacon of human virtue you are failing, intentional ignorance is not a sign of virtue.

But... I can sense it, I said something to you and now you're about to respond with more stupid, pointless, irrelevant shit. Not going to address any of the points raised, none of it at all. Absolutely no critical thought in your empty head at all.
I hereby revoke your right to ever call anyone dumb in this thread. Not even the dumb people that agree with you are you allowed to call dumb, because you are dumber than all of them.

[Still Alive]

The fact this sloppy babble is your mental summary this conversation is just a testament to your complete lack of thinking ability or reading comprehension. And every time you join the conversation it is immediately brought down into the most mindless name calling and self congratulation, literally I cannot beg you hard enough to follow the conversation or use your brain for 2 seconds. I think everything you have said at any point in this conversation has been addressed 4 different times in a comprehensive way, and at no point have you ever contended with any of that rationale regarding your arguments, at all... just completely ignored it and repeated the same thing again, and again...

For example, there have been long winded posts talking about just war theory. It's also been pointed out repeatedly that your position implies an absolutist anti-war position, which is patently absurd and untenable. I have never heard a single word from you addressing any of these problems with your position, just seen you come back and mindlessly repeat it again. If your goal is to promote yourself as a beacon of human virtue you are failing, intentional stupidity is not a sign of virtue.

But... I can sense it, I said something to you and now you're about to respond with more stupid, pointless, irrelevant shit. Not going to address any of the points raised, none of it at all. Absolutely no critical thought in your empty head at all.
I hereby revoke your right to ever call anyone dumb in this thread. Not even the dumb people that agree with you are you allowed to call dumb, because you are dumber than all of them.

I just don't even see a point in engaging with a dipshit like you and chriscorey who literally spams this thread with countless of pointless videos while chugging down another bottle to fill the empty void where her soul is. I guess that's why she needs to bring up IQ everywhere, the magic number that gives her pointless existence at least some form of value, oh and she also needs to tell a random stranger how big her son's dick is. absolutely comical person. you're just another idiot. the protests are gaining more and more attention. there's really no benefit in talking to you two clowns that write ten messages before I can even reply again. go lecture a spam bot again.

[chriscorey]

I just don't even see a point in engaging with a dipshit like you and chriscorey who literally spams this thread with countless of pointless videos while chugging down another bottle to fill the empty void where her soul is. I guess that's why she needs to bring up IQ everywhere, the magic number that gives her pointless existence at least some form of value, oh and she also needs to tell a random stranger how big her son's dick is. absolutely comical person. you're just another idiot. the protests are gaining more and more attention. there's really no benefit in talking to you two clowns that write ten messages before I can even reply again. go lecture a spam bot again.

You're a mindless hive mind piece of shit. I don't care what you think of me. Your Germany idiot just almost got lynched in Palistine for trying to help.

At least my country will take Palestinians into our country. You worthless cunt.

[Still Alive]

You're a mindless hive mind piece of shit. I don't care what you think of me. Your Germany idiot just almost got lynched in Palistine for trying to help.

At least my country will take Palestinians into our country. You worthless cunt.

I feel a certain relief that your life is so miserable. both you and dangerofdogshit have hijacked this thread so much you don't even comprehend that there are other users here who refrain from sharing their perspective because by the time someone else can post you have already posted 5 videos in drunken state again. your whole existence is just a joke.

[chriscorey]

I feel a certain relief that your life is so miserable. both you and dangerofdogshit have hijacked this thread so much you don't even comprehend that there are other users here who refrain from sharing their perspective because by the time someone else can post you have already posted 5 videos in drunken state again. your whole existence is just a joke.

Get your country to except Palestinians you fucking socialist piece of shit!

[DogOfDanger]

I just don't even see a point in engaging with a dipshit like you and chriscorey who literally spams this thread with countless of pointless videos.

The first step in learning to think is not to assert yourself, it is to find the truth of the matter, or approach it at least. You must remain able to integrate information, which means being somewhat flexible and capable of emotionally coping with being wrong. That enables you to refine your position and apply reasoning, and contend with alternative reasoning. Over time your reasoning will flesh out... then you will be able to articulate your viewpoint, and assert yourself, and dispense with wrong viewpoints. Instead what you aim to do is hold steadfast in mindless dogma, and block out facts about reality... dogma that makes you feel good, dogma you inherited from trends in society - it is a kind of anti-thinking that you have.

[DogOfDanger]

I suspect she's just hoping, sometimes even begging that you will muster a critical thought and contend with what is actually being discussed... and yet every single time is let down. Even when the evidence seems so clear, literally video evidence is provided, multiple credible witnesses, even Hamas's own words in their own charter, the most simple logic, so obvious that even a 3rd grader could figure it out... no, no sign of any recognition of the information... complete denial of it, just more babble. It is just astounding and hard for people who do not suffer from your particular form of mental retardation to wrap their minds around. So we just gawk at it, and try again to explain, and witness again the attempt fail and go ignored... and we remain baffled.

[DogOfDanger]

You don't really have a unique perspective, you saw a position propagating in the culture and parroted it. A parrot doesn't understand english, neither do you have a unique perspective. There is no logical core to your thought process that could make up what could be called a "unique perspective", I have searched and probed for it, it is not there.

And people have been practically begging you to make anything that resembles a logical point and you have been unable to do so. What you want to do is assert your position without any need to justify it with reason, and that is just not happening, the world is under no obligation to accommodate your loopy poorly formed ideas.

[chriscorey]

"Jewish women are too ugly to get raped"

This is among other shit I see on Twitter.
Alive you are a sick fuck.


I see your people.

You know nothing of the Holocaust you wannabe nazi.

[Still Alive]

I create one post and already 20 minutes later I'm confronted with 4 more posts by 2 zionists that have hijacked this thread with videos of X Men (fucking lol). Somehow opposing the bombing of civillians makes you a nazi now.

Carry onward!

[chriscorey]

I create one post and already 20 minutes later I'm confronted with 4 more posts by 2 zionists that have hijacked this thread with videos of X Men (fucking lol). Somehow opposing the bombing of civillians makes you a nazi now.

Carry onward!

Who are you arguing with? You're so stupid you don't know we want peace with both Palestine and Israel. X-Men made a movie that allowed us moderates to enjoy revenge. We couldn't save the Jews. We wanted to.

Walk into the real America. GERMAN.

[chriscorey]

I create one post and already 20 minutes later I'm confronted with 4 more posts by 2 zionists that have hijacked this thread with videos of X Men (fucking lol). Somehow opposing the bombing of civillians makes you a nazi now.

Carry onward!

Just in case you think you're getting somewhere... I want you to know. At a young age, all American students were taught about the holocaust.

That silence from us should be defining.

We will not LET you kill the Jews.

As The US told the UN: there better not be any arrests.

[chriscorey]

Most Americans are silent. What do they think? This was a popular movie

[chriscorey]

Thousands of years of persecution. Kicked out of their land, only to return.

[DogOfDanger]

Alive in a nutshell: "All military action in history is bad regardless of the side you're on, look at what a good person I am for saying that, I am so empathetic and special, wooohooo I can't think how dare you even expect me to you're a Nazi I would have saved the Jews!"
Hltlers attitudes were rooted in idealism, not reason. Saving the Jews during the holocaust would have required effort and conviction, and a tendency to avoid getting swept up by the zeitgeist... to remain rational in spite of it. You're intellectually lazy and going along with the zeitgeist. The dumb masses are what always drive these off-the-rails political movements. Unless you think killing the Jews was a rational decision... It wasn't.

You may not have been thrilled about the Nazi party just because it was more of a right wing movement, and by temperament you're probably much more left leaning, but you almost certainly would have joined in with Stalin or Mao. Tyranny occurs in both political wings, affiliating yourself with a particular political wing is not proof positive of your resistance to government tyranny, truth and reason is the basis of resistance to tyranny.

tyranny:
- a nation under a cruel or oppressive government
- cruel, unreasonable, or arbitrary use of power or control.

In the absence of reason people must resort to force. If a person claims to resist tyranny but will not engage in reason, all this really indicates is the person is a wannabe tyrant on the opposite side of the political spectrum as the tyrant they're opposed to, real or imagined. Antifa is a good example of this. These types of people aren't the ones with true moral convictions... they're motivated by self-interest and self-empowerment... or possibly a delusional sense of empathy that feeds into a victim-oppressor narrative, providing them with unearned moral virtue / social privileges. Once the reward incentives for this delusional empathy are removed, without some basis in reason to maintain it the moral resolve evaporates. Not the kind I would expect to risk their own skins to save the Jews, a climate where there was no support for resisters at all. People who saved the Jews in Germany probably would have been the classical liberals or traditional religious conservatives of today, these are the people who have avoided being swept up by the zeitgeist and have remained grounded.

[Still Alive]

Alive in a nutshell: "All military action in history is bad regardless of the side you're on, look at what a good person I am for saying that, I am so empathetic and special, wooohooo I can't think how dare you even expect me to you're a Nazi I would have saved the Jews!"
Hltlers attitudes were rooted in idealism, not reason. Saving the Jews during the holocaust would have required effort and conviction, and a tendency to avoid getting swept up by the zeitgeist... to remain rational in spite of it. You're intellectually lazy and going along with the zeitgeist. The dumb masses are what always drive these off-the-rails political movements. Unless you think killing the Jews was a rational decision... It wasn't.

You may not have been thrilled about the Nazi party just because it was more of a right wing movement, and by temperament you're probably much more left leaning, but you almost certainly would have joined in with Stalin or Mao. Tyranny occurs in both political wings, affiliating yourself with a particular political wing is not proof positive of your resistance to government tyranny, truth and reason is the basis of resistance to tyranny.

tyranny:
- a nation under a cruel or oppressive government
- cruel, unreasonable, or arbitrary use of power or control.

In the absence of reason people must resort to force. If a person claims to resist tyranny but will not engage in reason, all this really indicates is the person is a wannabe tyrant on the opposite side of the political spectrum as the tyrant they're opposed to, real or imagined. Antifa is a good example of this. These types of people aren't the ones with true moral convictions... they're actually motivated by self-interest and self-empowerment. Not the kind I would expect to risk their own skins to save the Jews. People who saved the Jews in Germany probably would have been the classical liberals or traditional religious conservatives of today, these are the people who have avoided being swept up by in zeitgeist and who have remained grounded in their own reason.

You know so little about me it's quite amusing. That's the mode you operate on, making garbage assumptions about people which are incorrect because you have no clue when it cones to humans. You just lump them together in different categories in your tight little conservative worldview that you pesent as "factual".

Sorry that I don't like narcissists that think they can decide who deserves to live and who doesn't while you pull out your little data points saying well 45k deaths are not so bad compared to other atrocities. I guess my tax money just has to fund a right wing lunatic in israel that cheated on his wife while she was pregnant and in other aspect just seems like a descpicable person. You make the bullshit assumption that "we" (whoever that is) don't say the same things about ukraine but I literally support ukraine and I think Putin is another idiot who strongly resembles Sol who I would have punched in the face if I saw him irl.

I never said I would have saved the jews and it shows how little knowledge you have about humans and how you are emotionally exaggerating things (you and chris are not logical types and it me laugh out loud that that karen thinks she is an ILI beause she watches specific garbage on X). Due to my sociotype, I would find it quite difficult to oppose power because I cannot sacrifice my life for a cause, while I know xerx can. Xerx is an idealist that reads other people's emotions like a book, while you likely have zero friends. Chriscorey accuses him of being a potential Nazi shows how dumb that person really is and if you think I would be happy to follow a bunch of delusional fascists I can only roll my eyes at your stupidity as well. I am probably one of the most controversial figures on this site and people shit on me constantly here yet I remain at my position that all public figures are IEI. You saying I do things out of virtue and approval is so far away from reality I can only laugh about how much of a loser you are but sadly dipshits like you advocate for a genocide at the moment

[DogOfDanger]

Sorry that I don't like narcissists that think they can decide who deserves to live and who doesn't while you pull out your little data points saying well 45k deaths are not so bad compared to other atrocities.

Again, there is no outcome where people do not die. Your argument ultimately suggests that we cannot ever engage in utilitarian reasoning to minimize death and maximize survival. This is a moronic viewpoint.

You make the bullshit assumption that "we" (whoever that is) don't say the same things about ukraine but I literally support ukraine and I think Putin is another idiot who strongly resembles Sol who I would have punched in the face if I saw him irl.

I said that you aren't outraged by the Wests puppeteering of Ukraine to further Western interests, or the Ukrainian governments insistence on reclaiming all the land and continuing the conflict... or the Allies bombing of German civilians during WW2... all of which result in large numbers of deaths of civilians. There have been 8x the deaths in Ukraine as in Gaza. If your opposition to Israel is based on the resulting deaths to civilians, and not some pro-Hamas or anti-Israel dogma, logical consistency demands that you hold an absolutist anti-war position. That is not a position where you side with the good guys or the bad guys (whoever you believe they are), it is against all war on the principle that it results in deaths of civilians. And such a position is incoherent, because it fails to contend with the practical reality or with basic utilitarian arguments, and no one takes that position seriously anywhere, not in law, or philosophy, not people with common sense... That is my point, which I have made countless times... and have just made again, and it is going to be ignored again this time too, I already know that.

and if you think I would be happy to follow a bunch of delusional fascists I can only roll my eyes at your stupidity as well.

You are arguing on behalf of a bunch of delusional fascists today, Hamas and the pro-Hamas protesters. You seem to have this idea that fascism and power are exclusively right wing phenomenon... in my argument I referred to the Stalinist and Maoist movements to point out fascism can occur on both sides of the political spectrum, but you're a feeble minded individual and remain oblivious while you support Hamas and pro-Hamas protesters.
It's actually pretty interesting, because Hamas is more of a right wing organization within their cultural context, in that they cling tightly to traditional fundamentalist views... however on an international stage they're taking on the role of a left wing authoritarian movement, coopted by the Wests left wing... what the two share in common is, for now, a desire for power. Of course if you were to ever put the two in a room and with sharp objects and let them be - queers for Palestine and Hamas - you'd probably return to find blood all over the walls and dismembered body parts. But what this strange alliance does say is something about the core motives of both sides.

I never said I would have saved the jews and it shows how little knowledge you have about humans and how you are emotionally exaggerating things (you and chris are not logical types and it me laugh out loud that that karen thinks she is an ILI beause she watches specific garbage on X). Due to my sociotype, I would find it quite difficult to oppose power because I cannot sacrifice my life for a cause, while I know xerx can. Xerx is an idealist that reads other people's emotions like a book, while you likely have zero friends. Chriscorey accuses him of being a potential Nazi shows how dumb that person really is

I'm glad you at least admit that you would not have had the conviction to save Jews during Nazism. So here you basically agree with what I had written.
I could not care less whether you categorize me as an ethical or logical type... I have a STEM degree where I graduated summa cum laude from a major university, and have worked as a software engineering tech lead for a fortune 10 company, I don't need some random persons validation of my thinking ability. Especially a person who can't string a rational argument together when begged repeatedly to do so. Nor do I need some poorly designed personality systems validation.
I think the mind-virus of socionics has so deeply infested your brain at this point that you just prescribe behavior based on these categories and convince yourself that's reality. Ironically you just tried to criticize me for putting people into categories while I'm just making deductions based on your own statements, meanwhile your entire life has been in the pursuit of literally categorizing people... and you aren't even good at it. It's funny, almost every time I look deeply into the insults that leftists level at me I end up finding they are doing what they accuse me of.

I am probably one of the most controversial figures on this site and people shit on me constantly here yet I remain at my position that all public figures are IEI.

People shit on you for your bad ideas on socionics, and your bad ideas in general, not for your political views. They shit on your idea that practically everyone is an IEI. The also shit on the idea that you are a logical type. I usually avoid those conversations, because I don't care about socionics. But there are very few conservatives on this site, your political views are as popular and common as it gets - certainly in the United States, but in most of the West these days.

You saying I do things out of virtue and approval is so far away from reality I can only laugh about how much of a loser you are but sadly dipshits like you advocate for a genocide at the moment

Your argument is essentially "I am a good person who cares for innocent civilians, you are not" - this is a claim of virtue. In this very post I'm quoting you're also arguing that Xerx is a virtuous citizen who would have protected Jews during the holocaust.
A claim like that, made in the context of a debate on politics, is an appeal to establish a political consensus based on virtue. Because a political debate pertains to public attitudes and public policy. And political consensus is the approval of some public policy idea, just by definition.
And yet here you are, at the same time, saying you do not hold your positions out of virtue or need for approval... because you can't put 2 and 2 together. You can laugh at the fact you are a moron who cannot make basic connections.

[HERO]

Again, there is no outcome where people do not die. Your argument ultimately suggests that we cannot ever engage in utilitarian reasoning to minimize harm and maximize pleasure. This is a moronic viewpoint.



I said that you aren't outraged by the Wests puppeteering of Ukraine to further Western interests, or the Ukrainian governments insistence on reclaiming all the land and continuing the conflict... or the Allies bombing of German civilians during WW2... all of which result in large numbers of deaths of civilians. There have been 8x the deaths in Ukraine as in Gaza. If your opposition to Israel is based on the resulting deaths to civilians, and not some pro-Hamas or anti-Israel dogma, logical consistency demands that you hold an absolutist anti-war position. That is not a position where you side with the good guys or the bad guys (whoever you believe they are), it is against all war on the principle that it results in deaths of civilians. And such a position is incoherent, because it fails to contend with the practical reality or with basic utilitarian arguments, and no one takes that position seriously anywhere, not in law, or philosophy, not people with common sense... That is my point, which I have made countless times... and have just made again, and it is going to be ignored again this time too, I already know that.


You are arguing on behalf of a bunch of delusional fascists today, Hamas and the pro-Hamas protesters. You seem to have this idea that fascism and power are exclusively right wing phenomenon... in my argument I referred to the Stalinist and Maoist movements to point out fascism can occur on both sides of the political spectrum, but you're a feeble minded individual and remain oblivious while you support Hamas and pro-Hamas protesters.
It's actually pretty interesting, because Hamas is more of a right wing organization within their cultural context, in that they cling tightly to traditional fundamentalist views... however on an international stage they're taking on the role of a left wing authoritarian movement, coopted by the Wests left wing... what the two share in common is, for now, a desire for power. Of course if you were to ever put the two in a room and with sharp objects and let them be - queers for Palestine and Hamas - you'd probably return to find blood all over the walls and dismembered body parts. But what this strange alliance does say is something about the core motives of both sides.


I'm glad you at least admit that you would not have had the conviction to save Jews during Nazism. So here you basically agree with what I had written.
I could not care less whether you categorize me as an ethical or logical type... I have a STEM degree where I graduated sudo cum laude from a major university, and have worked as a software engineering tech lead for a fortune 10 company, I don't need some random persons validation of my thinking ability. Especially a person who can't string a rational argument together when begged repeatedly to do so. Nor do I need some poorly designed personality systems validation.
I think the mind-virus of socionics has so deeply infested your brain at this point that you just prescribe behavior based on these categories and convince yourself that's reality. Ironically you just tried to criticize me for putting people into categories while I'm just making deductions based on your own statements, meanwhile your entire life has been in the pursuit of literally categorizing people. It's funny, almost every time I look deeply into the insults that leftists level at me I end up finding they are doing what they accuse me of.



People shit on you for your bad ideas on socionics, and your bad ideas in general, not for your political views. They shit on your idea that practically everyone is an IEI. The also shit on the idea that you are a logical type. I usually avoid those conversations, because I don't care about socionics. But there are very few conservatives on this site, your political views are as popular and common as it gets - certainly in the United States, but most of the West these days.


Your argument is essentially "I am a good person who cares for innocent civilians, you are not" - this is a claim of virtue. In this very post I'm quoting you're also arguing that Xerx is a virtuous citizen who would have protected Jews during the holocaust.
A claim like that, made in the context of a debate on politics, is an appeal to establish a political consensus based on virtue. Because a political debate pertains to public attitudes and public policy. And political consensus is the approval of some public policy idea, just by definition.
And yet here you are, at the same time, saying you do not hold your positions out of virtue or need for approval... because you can't put 2 and 2 together. You can laugh at the fact you are a moron who cannot make basic connections.

https://twitter.com/infrahaz/status/1786131084138225706

"THE TIME IS COMING for ALL Americans to unite against the regime. Before now, student activists were brainwashed by the hegemony and weaponized against the people on its behalf. Now, they see how easily they have been discarded, brutalized, and maligned when they dissent against the regime's foreign policy agenda. This flagrant suspension of civil liberties is nothing new. Federal agencies have been arresting Trump voters as 'Russian agents' for sharing the wrong Facebook memes. The DHS has targeted critics of American Big Pharma as threats to national security. In Canada, unprecedented methods were used by the government to punish the truckers for their protests by targeting their bank accounts." -- InfraHaz (Infrared)

https://twitter.com/infrahaz/status/1785715580185743765

[Northstar]

Sol who I would have punched in the face if I saw him irl.

Sol better watch out, we got a badass Se polr here who’s going to settle this battle typing issue with violence.

[HERO]

https://twitter.com/infrahaz/status/1786131084138225706

"THE TIME IS COMING for ALL Americans to unite against the regime. Before now, student activists were brainwashed by the hegemony and weaponized against the people on its behalf. Now, they see how easily they have been discarded, brutalized, and maligned when they dissent against the regime's foreign policy agenda. This flagrant suspension of civil liberties is nothing new. Federal agencies have been arresting Trump voters as 'Russian agents' for sharing the wrong Facebook memes. The DHS has targeted critics of American Big Pharma as threats to national security. In Canada, unprecedented methods were used by the government to punish the truckers for their protests by targeting their bank accounts." -- InfraHaz (Infrared)

https://twitter.com/infrahaz/status/1785715580185743765

[HERO]

You know so little about me it's quite amusing. That's the mode you operate on, making garbage assumptions about people which are incorrect because you have no clue when it cones to humans. You just lump them together in different categories in your tight little conservative worldview that you pesent as "factual".

Sorry that I don't like narcissists that think they can decide who deserves to live and who doesn't while you pull out your little data points saying well 45k deaths are not so bad compared to other atrocities. I guess my tax money just has to fund a right wing lunatic in israel that cheated on his wife while she was pregnant and in other aspect just seems like a descpicable person. You make the bullshit assumption that "we" (whoever that is) don't say the same things about ukraine but I literally support ukraine and I think Putin is another idiot who strongly resembles Sol who I would have punched in the face if I saw him irl.

I never said I would have saved the jews and it shows how little knowledge you have about humans and how you are emotionally exaggerating things (you and chris are not logical types and it me laugh out loud that that karen thinks she is an ILI beause she watches specific garbage on X). Due to my sociotype, I would find it quite difficult to oppose power because I cannot sacrifice my life for a cause, while I know xerx can. Xerx is an idealist that reads other people's emotions like a book, while you likely have zero friends. Chriscorey accuses him of being a potential Nazi shows how dumb that person really is and if you think I would be happy to follow a bunch of delusional fascists I can only roll my eyes at your stupidity as well. I am probably one of the most controversial figures on this site and people shit on me constantly here yet I remain at my position that all public figures are IEI. You saying I do things out of virtue and approval is so far away from reality I can only laugh about how much of a loser you are but sadly dipshits like you advocate for a genocide at the moment

https://twitter.com/infrahaz/status/1786131084138225706

"THE TIME IS COMING for ALL Americans to unite against the regime. Before now, student activists were brainwashed by the hegemony and weaponized against the people on its behalf. Now, they see how easily they have been discarded, brutalized, and maligned when they dissent against the regime's foreign policy agenda. This flagrant suspension of civil liberties is nothing new. Federal agencies have been arresting Trump voters as 'Russian agents' for sharing the wrong Facebook memes. The DHS has targeted critics of American Big Pharma as threats to national security. In Canada, unprecedented methods were used by the government to punish the truckers for their protests by targeting their bank accounts." -- InfraHaz (Infrared)

https://twitter.com/infrahaz/status/1785715580185743765

[DogOfDanger]

You're telling me you arrived at your views on your own, but when I ask you to provide reason to justify them... you never respond with justification, and your view falls apart upon basic analysis. How did you arrive at your views...? It obviously wasn't through some process of reason, introspection and refinement. You've identified yourself as a leftist multiple times, you've gone on long winded rants railing against conservatives. I'm not intent on putting you in a box, I have been trying to get you to justify your positions - to show some sign of unique thought - for pages now. If you could do it... you already would have. Sorry, you are a tool... maybe you even forgot where you got your worldviews from, but you certainly did not form them yourself.
I suppose it could be that your mind is just this unstructured soup of ideas that never were "formed" into something coherent, they're just disconnected erratic impulses basically. Again, where do those impulses come from? Society and its functioning is the topic at hand, if you never introspected and refined your viewpoint, if the impulses are incoherent, you must be taking them for granted... you inherited them from somewhere. This isn't to say that you are a social conformist in terms of your social personality, at least not consciously. Maybe this process happened unconsciously, maybe it happened during early childhood development... whatever the case may be, I don't need to know you personally to deduce all this, I can base it on your own statements regarding these matters.

No one really has complete control over the zeitgeist, not even political parties... they tap into it and channel it, but a large part of the zeitgeist is driven by unconscious processes that masses still share with one another. For example, economic problems may lead to large numbers of people living with their parents, unable to marry and form relationships, this may be a problem that a specific generation had to endure at a specific time in their development... this may all fester under the surface for decades but emerge spontaneously as a sexual revolution or some mass movement of resentment against boomers. It's not necessarily a fully conscious process. But it does tend to defy reason, and express as erratic emotions.
You could say the unconscious part of the zeitgeist isn't consciously instilled, or instilled by a party, it's experienced by some of the individuals that make up the mass movement... but the unconscious part is still a raw assumption, it wasn't refined into a coherent rational thought, so really you inherited it from the environment in different aspects over a lifetime, in the same way other unconscious assumptions are inherited. Once the zeitgeist emerges it does become trendy, and people do jump on board with one another collectively, and it becomes self reinforcing. I suppose your ultimate failure is just not using reason to refine these unconscious impulses into something that is coherent.
There is some model in your mind of how society ought to work, some idea of the role of empathy and compassion in society, which is the basis for your position... and where did it come from? It had to be based on a real life model of how you believe society works at some point. It's not like the idea of how society should work is archetypal... it's not like your irrational ideas are archetypal.

Carry onward!

[chriscorey]

Alive you should just change your name to ad hominem.

Worthless in a debate.

The fact you think you're NT is laughable.

[chriscorey]

There are huge Arab towns throughout Israel, but there are no Jews allowed in any part of any Palestinian controlled territory. The lack of outrage over this reverse apartheid is a quintessential example of the bigotry of low expectations. Middle Eastern people are considered too savage to conform to decent social standards, so we get a pass for all forms of vile racism, bigotry, othering, and harm because “it’s just our culture” to be backwards and unsophisticated. Whereas anything considered “white” or “western” (which is what they believe about Israel) attaches to it scrupulous standards of justice, equality, and fairness.
If people held the Middle East to the same standards, if they were rioting in the street against the Islamic Republic & its proxies the same way, I’d feel a lot better about our chances.
It’s their racism of expecting nothing better from us that hurts us and ensures our continued mass slaughter.
This is why white saviorism is just inverse white supremacy. At bottom, it’s just an obsession with (perceived) whiteness, at the expense of everyone and everything else.

-Elica Le Bon

@xerx

Isn't film great? I love movies.

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