American Presidential Election 2024

[xerx]

It's that time again. Discuss.

[Michelle Obama]

Barack is homo and michelle is a man

Mark my words,

Michelle Obama will be the next president

[Socionics Is A Cult]

Normally it'd be fairly straightforward to say that it's going to be Biden vs. Trump again, which means it should be boring.

However, there's a realistic chance of one or both of them dying before the election, and at least one of them going to prison (which probably won't stop that candidate being POTUS).

I only watched a short amount of the Biden vs. Trump debates last time because they were really awful even by American standards - not just in terms of the manner of the "debate", but because of senile moments. It'll be worse this time, if there are even debates in the first place. The most likely person to be POTUS at the moment who never has been is still Kamala Harris.

[Still Alive]

Normally it'd be fairly straightforward to say that it's going to be Biden vs. Trump again, which means it should be boring.

However, there's a realistic chance of one or both of them dying before the election, and at least one of them going to prison (which probably won't stop that candidate being POTUS).

I only watched a short amount of the Biden vs. Trump debates last time because they were really awful even by American standards - not just in terms of the manner of the "debate", but because of senile moments. It'll be worse this time, if there are even debates in the first place. The most likely person to be POTUS at the moment who never has been is still Kamala Harris.

What a dismal outlook. The only interesting thing here is the possibility of a president dying of old age for the first time

[I am a frog]

Same to me as asking which side of the same old, crusty turd sandwich I'd rather eat.

[Michelle Obama]

Well it's day 929 of Build Back Better.

Nothing is built. Nothing is Back. Nothing is better.

[CrazyClock]

So what's Bidens chances this year yall

[Adam Strange]

So what's Bidens chances this year yall

I believe that Biden will win the election, but he needs to turn in a strong, coherent public performance to show people that he's still competent.

Trump is actually in worse health and is less mentally competent than Biden, but the press gives Trump a pass on the crazy things he says because everything Trump says is crazy. Biden's words are taken seriously, so he's held to a much higher standard and therefore gets criticized more often for minor faults.

No elections are determined by debates, but they can be affected by impressions.

[Poptart]

I believe that Biden will win the election, but he needs to turn in a strong, coherent public performance to show people that he's still competent.

Trump is actually in worse health and is less mentally competent than Biden, but the press gives Trump a pass on the crazy things he says because everything Trump says is crazy. Biden's words are taken seriously, so he's held to a much higher standard and therefore gets criticized more often for minor faults.

No elections are determined by debates, but they can be affected by impressions.

Nearly a week has passed since the debate. Why is he not doing this already?

[godslave]

Sometimes I think that Biden is not as senile as his speeches might indicate. Sometimes I think that indeed Biden's mind is as sharp as it was four years ago...

[Still Alive]

lol @ people thinking that Kamala Harris is going to be more appealing. She seems like such a fake, selfish person. You are in denial if you think that's a good alternative. Biden's chances of winning are almost 0%, though.

[FreelancePoliceman]

I feel a swell of patriotism every time I see a European or Canadian become opinionated about American politics. There there, subjects!

[Still Alive]

I feel a swell of patriotism every time I see a European or Canadian become opinionated about American politics. There there, subjects!

Sadly, the election affects the whole world. The german chancellor Olaf Scholz is essentially a normalizing version of Biden. Germany is experiencing a significant push to the right and Trump will detoriate relationships with us. Idiotic Democrats will get a person elected that doesn't even think global warming exists. I dunno how anyone could be proud of the clown-show that's happening in America.

[Adam Strange]

Sadly, the election affects the whole world. The german chancellor Olaf Scholz is essentially a normalizing version of Biden. Germany is experiencing a significant push to the right and Trump will detoriate relationships with us. Idiotic Democrats will get a person elected that doesn't even think global warming exists. I dunno how anyone could be proud of the clown-show that's happening in America.

Cassius is speaking below about SEE Caesar, but his words could also apply to modern America.

Cassius speaks to Brutus
Why, man, he doth bestride the narrow world
Like a Colossus, and we petty men
Walk under his huge legs and peep about
To find ourselves dishonorable graves.
Men at some time are masters of their fates.
The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars,
But in ourselves, that we are underlings.
“Brutus” and “Caesar”—what should be in that “Caesar”?
Why should that name be sounded more than yours?
Write them together, yours is as fair a name;
Sound them, it doth become the mouth as well;
Weigh them, it is as heavy; conjure with ’em,
“Brutus” will start a spirit as soon as “Caesar.”
Now, in the names of all the gods at once,
Upon what meat doth this our Caesar feed
That he is grown so great? Age, thou art shamed!
Rome, thou hast lost the breed of noble bloods!
When could they say, till now, that talked of Rome,
That her wide walks encompassed but one man?
Now is it Rome indeed, and room enough
When there is in it but only one man.
O, you and I have heard our fathers say
There was a Brutus once that would have brooked
Th’ eternal devil to keep his state in Rome
As easily as a king.

[Socionics Is A Cult]

lol @ people thinking that Kamala Harris is going to be more appealing. She seems like such a fake, selfish person. You are in denial if you think that's a good alternative. Biden's chances of winning are almost 0%, though.

I think she's more appealing simply because she's more coherent.

If Biden drops out of the race to be the Democrat nominee, he'll most likely suggest his VP pick (Harris) if he makes a suggestion. Whether or not he anoints a successor, I understand there will be limitations on the ability to transfer funds from the Biden-Harris campaign to the campaign of another candidate, which would be an added reason for the Democrat delegates to pick Harris.

Gavin Newsom is seen as the most electable Democrat (in terms of ability to defeat the Republican candidate) of those who have been active in this election cycle.

[Poptart]

lol @ people thinking that Kamala Harris is going to be more appealing. She seems like such a fake, selfish person. You are in denial if you think that's a good alternative. Biden's chances of winning are almost 0%, though.

Who do you think the best alternative is? I think you mentioned Michelle Obama in another thread, but she has stated many times over that she has no interest in running for office, let alone the presidency.

[Still Alive]

Who do you think the best alternative is? I think you mentioned Michelle Obama in another thread, but she has stated many times over that she has no interest in running for office, let alone the presidency.

I think the Dems fucked up by not thinking about options for 4 years and instead insisting that a corpse will somehow win again with a horrible back-up plan who stands for absolutely nothing. I dislike both parties so what do I care about their alternatives.

[FreelancePoliceman]

Who do you think the best alternative is? I think you mentioned Michelle Obama in another thread, but she has stated many times over that she has no interest in running for office, let alone the presidency.

If anyone, I think they'll choose Kamala. The Dems have fundraised millions that legally can't be spent by anyone but Biden and Harris. Unless it wants to deal with fundraising again, and convincing her to cancel all the advertisement time and advertisement deals that've already been struck, and deal with the fallout of passing over the "obvious" candidate, who happens to be allegedly black and female, she's the only candidate that can be run. Also, they don't exactly have other popular candidates.

[Echo]

I don’t think a woman will be elected president anytime soon. Americans are too sexist.

[Echo]

lol @ people thinking that Kamala Harris is going to be more appealing. She seems like such a fake, selfish person.

Soooo… you're saying she's a politician ��

[Adam Strange]

Biden is too old for the job of President.

Trump is two years younger than Biden and so has got to be in better shape.

Trump, without the orange make-up: https://imgur.com/a/d4cMTm4

[Socionics Is A Cult]

Biden is too old for the job of President.

Trump is two years younger than Biden and so has got to be in better shape.

Trump, without the orange make-up: https://imgur.com/a/d4cMTm4

[Socionics Is A Cult]

[Poptart]

[Poptart]

What an embarrassment for the Democrats

[Great]

It doesn't matter. Climate change will fuck us all.

[Still Alive]

It doesn't matter. Climate change will fuck us all.

The only take that matters if I'm honest.

[Poptart]

The conservative justices on the Supreme Court are hellbent on destroying environmental protections. Given that it’s the president’s responsibility to nominate judges, it matters who’s sitting in the Oval Office.

[Echo]

The conservative justices on the Supreme Court are hellbent on destroying environmental protections. Given that it’s the president’s responsibility to nominate judges, it matters who’s sitting in the Oval Office.

For everyone. Not just Americans. Climate change isn’t limited by borders.

[Great]

The conservative justices on the Supreme Court are hellbent on destroying environmental protections. Given that it’s the president’s responsibility to nominate judges, it matters who’s sitting in the Oval Office.

I very much doubt that Joe "Nothing will fundamentally change" Biden will start packing the Supreme Court. Also, sure, in the short term, it may matter who's in charge but we are locked into rising temperatures. Choosing between the two candidates is pointless in the long term.

Human civilization is fucked.

Edit: deleted the confusing analogy.

[Still Alive]

I think we are trapped in a system that appeals to emotions for votes and nobody is even remotely willing to give it straight to the public that global warming requires a massive reduction in living standards. All you get is half-assed attempts by liberals and complete denial by conservatives. Nobody is educating the public on the data, that things are even worse than previously thought. But even if you tried to educate them, I doubt they would comprehend it, or they would go in a state of complete denial. Everything is an appeal to the lowest common denominator. This charade will go on for another election or two, but it's going to collapse. China, who is responsible for 30% of global emissions, also thinks everything can go on like normal. We are going to see WW3 in this century

[Metaphor]

Does anyone here know or is aware about Dr. Jill Stein?

[Great]

Does anyone here know or is aware about Dr. Jill Stein?

I'll be voting for her (it's okay, I live in a solid blue state so my vote will be absorbed). I think she'll be more viable next election though.

[Socionics Is A Cult]

Does anyone here know or is aware about Dr. Jill Stein?

Seems too close to Putin, and too much of a Communist from what I remember.

[godslave]

Dictatorships are the only regimes where the leader is kept in power by his entourage while they know that he is completely nuts. The Democrats attitude makes Biden looks like a freaking tyrant. This is not fair to him and the American people. This reality show is not only an insult to the whole world but also to logic itself ! This whole situation is really pathetic, this people (both Republicans and Democrats !) most certainly want what's best for their country...

[FreelancePoliceman]

Dictatorships are the only regimes where the leader is kept in power by his entourage while they know that he is completely nuts. The Democrats attitude makes Biden looks like a freaking tyrant. This is not fair to him and the American people. This reality show is not only an insult to the whole world but also to logic itself ! This whole situation is really pathetic, this people (both Republicans and Democrats !) most certainly want what's best for their country...

1) I don't think dictators are necessarily nuts. If anything I think history makes a pretty good case for enlightened despotism.
2) The States isn't a dictatorship. Presidents here haven't really done much since Nixon; I understand it's different in France though. The federal government is run mostly by unelected bureaucrats, many of whom keep their jobs between administrations, even if the party changes. The last two Presidents to have major and open conflicts with the bureaucrats were Nixon and Kennedy; make of that what you like.
3)

this people (both Republicans and Democrats !) most certainly want what's best for their country...

I don't think that's certain at all. The main difference between the parties is which businesses they represent. Democrats are mostly banks, finance, real estate, media and tech; Republicans are agriculture, raw resource extraction, heavy industry (though Dems traditionally represented unions; that's become less true since the 90s but there's still some connection). Both parties are in it for the money. There was a Wikileaks...leak that Citigroup (a bank/collection of banks) chose the Cabinet (the politicians appointed by the President to head various agencies) of a recent President, Obama (a Democrat). That's how politics are done, not out of any naive sense of duty toward the public.

TL;DR the President himself doesn't matter. We just vote for whichever group of oligarchs we prefer in power.

[qaz00]

Does anyone here know or is aware about Dr. Jill Stein?

VI D-EII

[godslave]

1) I don't see how dictators are necessarily nuts.

I didn't say that all dictators are necessarily nuts nor did I imply that all dictators live long enough to become nuts. I meant if the dictator becomes too old to rule then usually his entourage kept him in power regardless. For instance Mao, Bouteflika (former Algeria President) and even if this last example is not a dictatorship it speaks volume about the position of power, Pope John Paul II.... (Pope Benedict XVI resignation was an exception (I suspect he was LII))

2) The States isn't a dictatorship. Presidents here haven't really done much since Nixon; I understand it's different in France though. The federal government is run mostly by unelected bureaucrats, many of whom keep their jobs between administrations, even if the party changes. The last two Presidents to have open conflicts with the bureaucrats were Nixon and Kennedy; make of that what you like.

I Know that the land of the free and the home of the brave is not a dictatorship ! Fair enough, that was actually insightful !

3)
I don't think that's certain at all. The main difference between the partiesis which businesses they represent. Democrats are mostly banks, finance, real estate, media; Republicans are agriculture, raw resource extraction, heavy industry (though Dems traditionally represented unions; that's become less true since the 90s but there's still some connection). Both parties are in it for the money. There was a Wikileaks...leak that Citigroup (a bank/collection of banks) chose the Cabinet (the politicians appointed by the President to head various agencies) of a recent President, Obama (a Democrat). That's how politics are done, not out of any naive sense of duty toward the public.

TL;DR the President himself doesn't matter. We just vote for whichever group of oligarchs we prefer in power.

[Still Alive]

, Pope John Paul II.... (Pope Benedict XVI resignation was an exception (I suspect he was LII))

Why would a type with Se PolR go through this process to become Pope?

https://youtu.be/kF8I_r9XT7A?si=hkZRrYAUAxWgXx3M

If I learned anything about this site, then it's that people know nothing about LII. I've been on this site for five years. Have you guys seen me organize anything outside of a video with Cat? How do you not know that my type isn't going to oversee a bunch of people and climb some arbitrary ladder to get to the top is beyond me.

[godslave]

Why would a type with Se PolR go through this process to become Pope?

https://youtu.be/kF8I_r9XT7A?si=hkZRrYAUAxWgXx3M

I naively thought that a man who decided to consecrate his life to Christ and become a priest doesn't necessarily planned to become a pope. I mean unless we are talking about people like Rodrigo de Borja (Alexander VI), such planification and ambition seemed to me quite unrealistic nowadays...

As for Se PolR, I would say that even in the middle age, any place place under the authority of the Church was (and still is to a certain degree) one of the safest environment one could live in. For instance, among Christian Brotherhoods under the protection of both the Holy Church and the King/Queen, there were probably a lot of Se PolR people (and Intuitives in general). Not to mention all the intellectual activities priests and Monks would indulge in while being sheltered by the walls and isolation of their monasteries, from the cruel and violent life of their time.

If I learned anything about this site, then it's that people know nothing about LII. I've been on this site for five years. Have you guys seen me organize anything outside of a video with Cat? How do you not know that my type isn't going to oversee a bunch of people and climb some arbitrary ladder to get to the top is beyond me.

I guess you don't want to become Pope !

Personally I'm kinda slow, but as you know we don't get to chose that kind of things. I reckon that I still have much to learn and you are contributing greatly to my better understanding of IEI-logy in particular and socionics in general.