American Presidential Election 2024

[timber]

No, it's not bizarre. People don't tend to become vice presidential picks without being in someone's pocket. For Vance that's Peter Thiel and his people, and you hear this kind of thing often from them if you pay attention.

Exactly. A marine, studies law, all of a sudden he's in Silicon Valley working for Peter Thiel, starts an investment company Narya and funds MRNA biotech, Amplify Bio.

It's like, this pretend Appalachian home boy thing is hilarious.

[timber]

your mistake is that you are assuming america has a left-wing party when in reality both the democrats and republicans are right-wing.

American left of center has always been European center moderate. Same in Canada. This is nothing new.

[timber]

Having sociopathic traits is kinda a prerequisite to becoming a successful politician. That’s not news to me. Even Bernie Sanders is an obvious narcissist.


I feel like you’re trying to tell me that Vance’s comments weren’t bizarre. I disagree. Saying that voting power should be based on the number of children a person has is really far out there in the realm of views that politicians push.

I think being hyperbolic comes with the territory.

[timber]

Can't someone ban this idiot already? Geez

Use the block function, bud.

[timber]

Politicians regularly say things that sound "bizarre" or sociopathic coming from a normal person. People are good at justifying or blinding themselves to whatever "their" side does. It's only ever "bizarre" and worth comment when it's not coming from your lizard.

Her quirkiness is poling positive for her. If Trump can shoot from the hip, and this humanizes him, Harris can do the same. This Presidency thing is such a cult.

[timber]

J.D. Vance reminds me of Ephialtes of Trachis. He who betrayed once will betray twice...

 

A better version



The opportunist

I'm for communism
I'm for socialism
And for capitalism
Because I'm an opportunist

There are those who dispute
Who claim and protest
I make a single gesture
I turn my coat
I turn my coat
Always on the good side

I'm not afraid of profiteers
Not even agitators
I trust the voters
And I take advantage to make my money

There are those who dispute
Who claim and protest
Me, I make a single gesture
I turn my coat
I turn my coat inside out
Always on the right side

I'm from every party
I'm from every country
I'm from every clique
I am the king of the converted

There are those who dispute
Who claim and protest
I make a single gesture
I turn my coat
I turn my coat inside out
Always on the good side

I shout long live the revolution!
I shout long live the institutions
I shout long live the demonstrations
I shout long live collaboration!

No, I never dispute
Nor claim nor protest
I only know only one gesture
That of turning my coat
That of turning my coat
Always on the good side

I've turned it so much
That it's cracking on all sides
The next revolution
I'll turn my pants

Crossing the floor isn't all that unusual in any Country. It does raise eyebrows, but it's not uncommon. People change, values change, understanding changes, circumstances change. It's not a good sign for loyalty to one's beliefs, but it's not like it always bodes illfor one's character to do it once in a while. Politics is always so one dimensional - all or nothing. Just digging up ten year old tweets can kind of be toxic behaviour in and of itself.

Politicians are stuck being this static entity, I think this shows the limitations of the craft. You can't be flexible because that's waffling and people need order, especially at State or Federal level politics.

[Socionics Is A Cult]

Behold, the fate of Israel's enemies:

You're not answering the question.

[godslave]

Crossing the floor isn't all that unusual in any Country. It does raise eyebrows, but it's not uncommon. People change, values change, understanding changes, circumstances change. It's not a good sign for loyalty to one's beliefs, but it's not like it always bodes illfor one's character to do it once in a while. Politics is always so one dimensional - all or nothing. Just digging up ten year old tweets can kind of be toxic behaviour in and of itself.

Politicians are stuck being this static entity, I think this shows the limitations of the craft. You can't be flexible because that's waffling and people need order, especially at State or Federal level politics.

I agree with all this. But I like the drama and I couldn't resist pointing out that aspect of the human condition and contrast it with some good old sparta/Beta philosophy ! I could have done it with some good old Delta philosophy too...

I don't like group thinking where each individual ot the group is supposed to encompasses all the values and worldview of the group. That's what we see in political parties, they convey a quasi cultic image of the party they belong to in which everybody seems to agree on everything. That in itself is a red flag that screams hypocrisy.

I find it rather ironic that out of this group thinking always comes the selection of a single individual to represent the group ideology. And soon what once was a collective endeavor becomes an individual race, an ode to the glory of individualism which in turn changes the perceptions of the "runner". And they use terms like "winning" and "losing" elections and thus making him or her either a winner (ruler) or a loser (scapegoat).

Imho, the prestige in politic is to make people believe that winning or losing depends essentially on the candidate's political ability to promote an ideology or program. Thus hiding the fact that the only quality required is that of seducing the electors of the opposite party, no more no less. That's the winning part. And then comes the phase of euphoria, feeding the ego with a sense of entitlement and soon pours into the first glass of celebration the corrupting poison of power...

[Adam Strange]

I've been looking at pictures of J.D. Vance and comparing him to the gallery of LIEs and ILIs that I know, and my conclusion is that he is an ILI-Te.

And a very weird guy.

From https://jabberwocking.com/j-d-vance-...f-a-weird-guy/

J.D. Vance has been running for vice president less than two weeks and has already racked up an impressive list of recently uncovered greatest hits:

• Suggested that parents should get more votes than people without children.
  
• Said Kamala Harris is part of the community of "childless cat ladies" who want to make the country as miserable as they are. He later explained himself by saying he didn't actually have anything against cats.
  
• Went on at length about the prospect of George Soros filling 747s full of (mainly) Black women who want to fly out of Ohio to get abortions. Said he was sympathetic to arguments this should be banned.
  
• Became the target of a meme that he had fucked a couch in his youth. It is unclear how or why this started.
  
• Wrote the forward for the Heritage Foundation's ultra-right-wing Project 2025, which the Trump campaign is desperately trying to distance itself from.
  
• Praised a book written by a right-wing conspiracy theorist that calls leftist protesters "unhumans" who want to kill anyone who has more than they do.

The scariest thing about the above is that Ohio voters knew who he was, and voted for him BECAUSE he is who he is.

[Socionics Is A Cult]

Then I'll let you pray and think about that one for a bit

It seems to be the case that you consider yourself the ultimate authority. I'll let you think about that one for a bit.

[Socionics Is A Cult]

[Socionics Is A Cult]

Donald Trump, 78, Is the Oldest Presidential Nominee in U.S. History

[Adam Strange]

Trump said, "I'm not Christian."



Is this a slip? He sounds like he meant it. He lies constantly, but he'd be either stupid or senile to say that to the Christian group which he was addressing.

Maybe it was a Kinsley gaffe, where a politician accidentally tells the truth.

[CrazyClock]

You're not answering the question.

Hmm I was also thinking about what bigdildo was saying and I typed "Israel enemies fate" into google and found it relatively quickly, google is amazing!!!...Anway, there seems to be a of wealth information out there but I think he was referring to the improbable odds Israel has faced throughout history yet still managed to survive, a miracle would be the only way to describe it.

West point refuses to study the battles of modern day Israel, why? The probabilities cannot be calculated. Most if not all military institutions including West Point have literally written off the battles of 1948,56,57,73 etc. Many military experts unanimously predicted the fall of Israel in each case...



Yet they are still here.

Throughout history many enemies have tried to wipe Israel off the map yet they cannot. This is because God's hand is on Israel right now. It doesn't matter whether they just declared themselves a nation and a day later they get attacked by 12 armies...they still find a way to win. It doesnt matter whether they are surrounded in a minefield and have a 99% of dying...they still find a way to survive. It doesnt matter whether or not an evil dictator tries to erase your entire race via a holocaust...they'll still come together as a nation. Even today, you are witnessing their power unfold before your eyes even as antisemitism rises the Bible is clear on the final outcome

This is because they are God's chosen people and God's promises are true. Now if the Bible is true, the Quran is false, seems like logic a 5th grader could figure out...

I think whether or not America sides with Israel (thus important voting implications) will affect our country. The Bible says God will bless those who bless Israel and curse those who curse Israel.

[Socionics Is A Cult]

Hmm I was also thinking about what bigdildo was saying and I typed "Israel enemies fate" into google and found it relatively quickly, google is amazing!!!...Anway, there seems to be a of wealth information out there but I think he was referring to the improbable odds Israel has faced throughout history yet still managed to survive, a miracle would be the only way to describe it.

West point refuses to study the battles of modern day Israel, why? The probabilities cannot be calculated. Most if not all military institutions including West Point have literally written off the battles of 1948,56,57,73 etc. Many military experts unanimously predicted the fall of Israel in each case...



Yet they are still here.

Throughout history many enemies have tried to wipe Israel off the map yet they cannot. This is because God's hand is on Israel right now. It doesn't matter whether they just declared themselves a nation and a day later they get attacked by 12 armies...they still find a way to win. It doesnt matter whether they are surrounded in a minefield and have a 99% of dying...they still find a way to survive. It doesnt matter whether or not an evil dictator tries to erase your entire race via a holocaust...they'll still come together as a nation. Even today, you are witnessing their power unfold before your eyes even as antisemitism rises the Bible is clear on the final outcome

This is because they are God's chosen people and God's promises are true. Now if the Bible is true, the Quran is false, seems like logic a 5th grader could figure out...

I think whether or not America sides with Israel (thus important voting implications) will affect our country. The Bible says God will bless those who bless Israel and curse those who curse Israel.

I think it's more likely he thinks I'm an enemy of Israel (and Yahweh), and that I will suffer as a result.

My point was that @bigdildo man claimed I was putting "SOME AUTHORITY above the Scriptures" (from an image he posted), as though he wasn't acting as his own authority in choosing to consider "the Scriptures" as the great truth. It doesn't matter if "the Scriptures" are truth or not on that point: he is considering himself as the ultimate authority when he chooses to follow "the Scriptures" and not "the Quran" etc.

[CrazyClock]

Trump said, "I'm not Christian."



Is this a slip? He sounds like he meant it. He lies constantly, but he'd be either stupid or senile to say that to the Christian group which he was addressing.

Maybe it was a Kinsley gaffe, where a politician accidentally tells the truth.

Here are Donald Trumps actual Christian/Pro life policies and actions he took as president btw

[CrazyClock]

I think it's more likely he thinks I'm an enemy of Israel (and Yahweh), and that I will suffer as a result.

My point was that @bigdildo man claimed I was putting "SOME AUTHORITY above the Scriptures" (from an image he posted), as though he wasn't acting as his own authority in choosing to consider "the Scriptures" as the great truth. It doesn't matter if "the Scriptures" are truth or not on that point: he is considering himself as the ultimate authority when he chooses to follow "the Scriptures" and not "the Quran" etc.

He's clearly deranged, I'd just ignore him, religious fanatic MAGA supporters need to be banned

[Socionics Is A Cult]

He's clearly deranged, I'd just ignore him, religious fanatic MAGA supporters need to be banned

If "fake news" is not explained to be as such, it will just propagate. But maybe in the case of members who are supposed to be banned, or at least, "new" members who aren't primarily discussing dedicated topic of the forum, it is indeed best not to engage if they are being especially antagonistic.

[Still Alive]

I can't help but think that Israel is a country mostly consisting of Ni base types

[timber]

Here are Donald Trumps actual Christian/Pro life policies and actions he took as president btw

And this is a good primer background for why Project 2025 is so terrifying. Its like he is literally what he says, even if he tries to deny it. Anyway the theatrics seems to be setting up Kamala as the saviour archetype or some mk ultra shit. So you get the shining knight in armour to save the day (as it should be, don't mistake, even if wokism will hopefully dies by finding counter-balance. P2025 is fascist plan plain and simple, and its like not the grim dark timeline most on any side want to see happen - I say MOST), and the died and true right of right, right wingers will STILL think the deep state won. Meanwhile the real deep state just laughs all the way to their piggy banks.

Let's just get inflation under control and fucking don't Nuke the middle class please and fascism is not an option um hello.

[End]

Conservatives don't care about the constitution. Unless it works to their advantage.*

Giving the right to vote to the heads of families that have lots of kids, and giving those people votes according to the number of their kids, biases the vote, and can you guess in which direction?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zq6E9BJcs0Y


*Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.

-Frank Wilhoit

While I don't agree with the exact metrics I *do* agree with the general sentiment/ideal he's aiming for.

The right to vote on the direction a nation/society/civilization/etc. takes (i.e. the franchise itself) ought only be given to those with skin in the game as I would put it.
If you have kids (and you're not a totally broken individual) you give all the fucks possible to give about their future. You want them to be happy, healthy, and successful. Thus you'll be way more likely to vote in favor of policies and directives that might screw you over royally yet ensure your Descendants enjoy the luxury of exploring and colonizing the stars in the sky.

Now I have argued that this does create a perverse incentive amongst those who are already at the top. That natural drive would incentivize them to develop a system where even if their descendants became decadent, evil, depraved, vice-ridden, drooling retarded idiots (remember that Sin makes you stupid and those at the top have little to stop them from sinning in all the worst ways) they'd still end up leading the society and being the highest status individuals within it no matter what anyone else had to say about it.

I mean hell let's be honest. This is exactly the course every other civilization took save the West. One "caste" of people ended up on top, got so far ahead of the others it managed to crush them, then oriented the entirety of that society/civilization to the sole benefit of themselves. Bureaucrats in China, Priests in India, ya catch my drift.

Only in the West did this not happen. Christianity's core tenets (and all competing factions shared the faith: Important detail) prevented any one caste from gaining full-spectrum dominance over the others and thus subjugating them to their will in totality. This is why it shot so far ahead of everyone else it managed to essentially conquer the world in every way.

If you don't like what I just said ask yourself why. Am I wrong? How so? Do you really think you'd have chosen differently if you were in such a position? Given the chance to ensure the dominance of your family/clan over all others at the cost of humanity's stagnation would you refuse? Would you be willing to allow your bloodline to die so that humanity (perhaps a version/race/etc. you hate even) could conquer the stars?

I'm Catholic so I can answer yes with a clear heart. Can any of you?

P.S. That Wilhoit quote is just another summation of Fallen Human Nature. The "Liberals" do the same damn thing. If you think DEI/BRIDGE is "inclusive" try standing up at an Inclusivity Seminar and proudly proclaiming "Jesus is the Christ and God has Risen Him From the Dead!"

You'll quickly find out what "Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion" means to them. It's a big club and by doing that you just signaled you ain't in it! I'd wear some soft body armor if you want to run this experiment IRL. I am not kidding. The Death Cultists *will* try to kill any assumed "ally" that suddenly counter-signals the totally not a Communist Revolution in their midst.

I might not be on your side politically, but I am not a monster and I don't want anyone who can hold a conversation with me on equal footing intellectually to die if they haven't done anything wrong. Life on the far end of the bell curve is lonely as hell man...

[Still Alive]

There's been speculation that Trump might drop Vance because of his disapproval ratings and because they're running against a different candidate now and because of Trump finding out what Vance said about him in the past (I don't know how they'd know that). Polymarket gives it a 9.5% chance.

surprised it's still only at 12 percent. Trump and Vance might have the same sociotype, but personality wise, I think they couldn't be further apart. I could see Trump thinking that throwing out Vance so soon could be perceived as weakness and mistake, though. He's probably fuming haha. Vance might be the worst pick in decades. I wonder if End thinks that this was also God's plan lol, that he would be meme'd into a couch fucker. My fanfic is that with his comments about cops and his friendship with a trans person, Vance is actually a lefitst larping as conservative to sabotage republicans.

[SlaveChildOfSlaanesh]

He's clearly deranged, I'd just ignore him, religious fanatic MAGA supporters need to be banned

Go back to Reddit if you want a leftist hivemind site.

[End]

I wonder if End thinks that this was also God's plan lol, that he would be meme'd into a couch fucker.

I don't understand that last part so I'd like an explanation. Couch fucker? Huh?

As for God's plan it is a matter of Church teaching that you cannot stop, impede, or otherwise derail it. He's "Omnipotent" ya see. I won't go into the finer details as while I have a good understanding of it all I'm not a Priest/Trained Theologian so I might have some of it wrong and I don't wanna accidentally promulgate a heresy.

Now in regards for the rest, well, you're kinda proving one of my points about how most people think (or rather don't). See, here's how most people "think" and I hate it but it is what it is: "What thoughts/actions/words/etc. are High Status?"

That question is God for at least 80 percent of humanity. Whatever they perceive to be High Status is what dictates their every action and supposed "independent" thought. You are obviously on the Left and thus you are saying what you perceive will get you more clout/status within that sphere. This is universal so most anyone will do the same. If you were conservative you'd be singing my praises and labeling my opponents as aspiring Couch Fuckers or something. Again, 80 percent of all humans at least.

Nobody is totally immune to it. I try to phrase things to "normies" in a way that they will perceive as High Status so that they'll be more amenable to my propositions. Thus even I am subject to the "High Status" litmus test despite my hatred for it.

A great question one can ask oneself is to ask is "Why is X considered High Status and Y Low Status?" If you start doing that you'll begin to see just how brainwashed and manipulated most people are (yourself included). Do remember that this is why "culture" is so gosh darned important and why the Left keeps on winning. Culture is what broadly determines what is High vs. Low status. The "left" controls the culture in the West ATM. Thus, if you pay close attention, you'll notice that "conservatives" adopt the same moral framework as their supposed arch nemesis.

Case in point? "Liberals are the real racists!" arguments you hear all the damn time from "conservative" pundits and their equally cringeworthy followers. They think that'll work because being racist is Low Status and thus if you can get people to think your opponent is a racist you make them low status and your side (the anti-racists) high status. Normies/NPCs/etc. do what the high status people say without much thought or question. That includes your own enemies! If ya ever wondered why the "Conservatives" haven't conserved a damn thing this is why. They've been so outplayed in the Status/Frame game they don't even realize it!

I reject the leftist/commie moral framework because I see their game for what it is. Call me whatever names you want. Don't care. I'd rather do something that actually helps other people over raising my own perceived status within my chosen In-group. I will not join the ranks of Unhumanity. I hope you can someday extricate yourself from that sad and miserable crowd.

[SlaveChildOfSlaanesh]

Here are Donald Trumps actual Christian/Pro life policies and actions he took as president btw

Love everything listed here. Thanks for cementing my decision to vote for Trump

[Still Alive]

I make a small comment about the fascination of you guys thinking that it's all divine intervention with Trump surviving and you give me an autistic rant about "high status". All I'm seeing is that Vance might even be a closeted homosexual and he's screwing Trump's chances big time with his almost "manlet loner incel" like comments. I wonder if that's divine intervention, too.

Apparently Trump wanted Doug Burgum but his sons insisted that Vance would be the best pick and Elon Musk and Tucker Carlsen said the same so Trump went: "well, I guess I trust these idiotic narcissists who have no clue about what they are doing". Democrats sitting there secretly thinking "yes yes please keep this chud until november we might actually habe a chance to win now".

[Echo]

If you don't like what I just said ask yourself why. Am I wrong? How so? Do you really think you'd have chosen differently if you were in such a position? Given the chance to ensure the dominance of your family/clan over all others at the cost of humanity's stagnation would you refuse? Would you be willing to allow your bloodline to die so that humanity (perhaps a version/race/etc. you hate even) could conquer the stars?

I'm Catholic so I can answer yes with a clear heart. Can any of you?

To which question?

I mean hell let's be honest. This is exactly the course every other civilization took save the West. One "caste" of people ended up on top, got so far ahead of the others it managed to crush them, then oriented the entirety of that society/civilization to the sole benefit of themselves. Bureaucrats in China, Priests in India, ya catch my drift.

Only in the West did this not happen. Christianity's core tenets (and all competing factions shared the faith: Important detail) prevented any one caste from gaining full-spectrum dominance over the others and thus subjugating them to their will in totality. This is why it shot so far ahead of everyone else it managed to essentially conquer the world in every way.

Are you familiar with the work of Jared Diamond? His theory isn't without it's issues, but on the whole, the argument for geographic determinism is very strong.

[Echo]

Here are Donald Trumps actual Christian/Pro life policies and actions he took as president btw

The fact that he does all this despite not being Christian (and I do actually believe that because he’s clearly Fi PoLR), proves he just does whatever he’s told to do. MEANING if you vote for Trump, you’re not actually voting for Trump, you’re just voting for the people around him.

weirdly, there are people here in the UK who actually like Trump, Not because of all the Maga stuff, but because of the mad dog theory. They're banking on Putin to back off because he thinks that Trump is nuts and unpredictable. but if you ask me, that’s a bit foolish.

[CrazyClock]

The fact that he does all this despite not being Christian (and I do actually believe that because he’s clearly Fi PoLR), proves he just does whatever he’s told to do. MEANING if you vote for Trump, you’re not actually voting for Trump, you’re just voting for the people around him.

weirdly, there are people here in the UK who actually like Trump, Not because of all the Maga stuff, but because of the mad dog theory. They're banking on Putin to back off because he thinks that Trump is nuts and unpredictable. but if you ask me, that’s a bit foolish.

but because of the mad dog theory. They're banking on Putin to back off because he thinks that Trump is nuts and unpredictable. but if you ask me, that’s a bit foolish.

Trump's past Foreign & Domestic Policy @Echo see #27 below:

1) Defied environmentalists by proposing the opening of offshore drilling in the Arctic, Pacific, Atlantic and the Gulf of Mexico to move us toward more Energy independence.

2) Opened up drilling in Alaska’s Arctic National Wildlife Refuge as part of the Tax Reform Law.

3) Removed the U.S. from the job killing Paris “Global Warming” Climate Accord. This would have cost U.S. businesses billions of dollars and cost millions of jobs, all to reduce “Global Warming” by “0.2 degrees Celsius” by the year 2100……and that’s only if all nations in the world obey the Accord (which Russia, China and countless others refuse to do anyway), and only if the environmentalists “warming predictions” are accurate from now until 2100.

4) Opened the Dakota Pipeline and Keystone XL Pipelines, creating thousands of new jobs.

5) Pulled the U.S. out of the TPP (Trans Pacific Partnership) trade agreements that were highly biased against the U.S.

6) Has ordered the renegotiating of NAFTA.

7) Got the Obama era’s Net Neutrality revoked.

Worked out Trade deals with China, Vietnam and South Korea.

9) Has actually managed to get China to take a tougher stand against North Korea, with China announcing a formal call for North Korea to denuclearize.

10) Is dramatically strengthening the U.S. Military.

11) Has all but defeated ISIS. (This is no small thing) Trump has unleashed way more bombing attacks on ISIS, changed Obama’s “Rules of Engagement” for the military, allowing the Generals more decision making capabilities on the ground to more aggressively go after the enemy in Iraq and Syria, the two main strongholds of ISIS. Trump also dropped an average of 360 more bombs per month in 2017 than the Obama Administration. As a result, 2017 has seen ISIS driven out of 98% of Iraq and Syria, with the ISIS troops there reduced from 45,000 to now less than 1000. (Notice how the news media mostly ignores this)

12) Addressed the leaders of all Muslim nations at the Arab Nations Conference in the Middle East. Rather than apologizing for America, he touted how great America is and challenged Muslim nations to start getting more serious about terrorism in their own ranks, telling them to “drive them out”.

13) At the various International Conferences, when addressing NATO and the U.N., he repeatedly bragged on America, declaring America the world’s greatest force for good, and condemned Communism and Socialism as a failed and oppressive system. He said this directly to a room of Communist and Socialist leaders.

14) Has been revamping and overhauling the Veterans Administration.

15) Has ordered travel bans from terrorism infested nations, only to have to fight liberal judges in the Courts as they try to stop him. These bans are all about national security and protecting the homeland.

16) While the Mexican Border wall is being stalled by Establishment Republicans in Congress, Trump continues to fight for this, having several prototypes being built in preparation of Congressional approval.

17) Ended Obama’s deal with Cuba.

18) Has been successful in bringing home Americans being held in other countries, like Caitlan Coleman and Joshua Boyle in Afghanistan, Sabrina De Sousa in Portugal, Aya Hijazi, who was released from Egypt after President Trump met with Egyptian leader Abdel Fattah el-Sissi, the 3 UCLA basketball players facing prison in China for shoplifting that were released after Trump personally intervened with Chinese President Xi Jinping, and more.

19) Illegal border crossings have been dramatically reduced. Border security has been dramatically increased.

20) Trump has taken a hard line against MS-13. This is the ruthless organized crime gang of illegal immigrants spreading through the U.S. Since taking office, arrests of MS-13 gang members has increased 83%.

21) Many MS-13 gang members hide out in Sanctuary Cities because these cities help hide illegal immigrants who commit additional crimes by refusing to cooperate with the Federal Government for deportation. Trump’s DOJ has ordered a crackdown on Sanctuary Cities, denying them funding if they refuse to comply with Federal Immigration reporting laws. (Of course, this is also being challenged in the Courts by liberal judges)

22) Trump has attacked the Opioid crisis head on, declaring a “Public Health Emergency”.

23) President Trump continues to be a champion of the 2nd Amendment and has also dramatically increased the number of gun crime prosecutions, well over the prosecutions from the Obama administration.

24) Has refused to certify the Iran Nuclear deal approved by Obama and has cracked down on Iran with various additional sanctions. In addition, he publicly encouraged and supported the Iranian protesters against the Iranian terror supporting government.

25) Has taken a strong stand against North Korea. North Korea has been appeased for decades by previous administrations (Republican and Democrat alike). All this has done is allow North Korea to develop Nuclear capability and test ICBMs with the ability to reach the U.S. mainland. Trump has not only handled North Korea from a position of strength, he has gotten China to actually issue some trade sanctions on North Korea (China is their largest trading partner), and was able to get a unanimously passed U.N. Resolution cutting North Korean exports by one third. Trump then got the U.N. to pass yet another anti-North Korea Resolution that creates increasing sanctions on North Korea. Trump then issued U.S. Sanctions against China and Russia for allowing it’s citizens to do business with North Korea. These moves prompted China to cut down on allowing Chinese banks to do business with North Korea.

26) He has gone after NATO nations for not paying their fair share when it comes to world security, telling them the U.S. is done paying disproportionally more than NATO nations to help protect the world and fight terrorism. For years, NATO has paid less and less and continued paying less throughout the Obama years. In 2017, NATO actually increased it’s military spending after Trumps challenging.

27) For all the talk about Trump supposedly “colluding” with Russia, Trump has actually been way tougher of Russia that Obama ever was. For example:

A) He’s issued many sanctions against Russian citizens and businesses for doing business with North Korea or Iran.

B) He issued additional sanctions against Russians involved in the Ukrainian conflict.

C) He refused to issue waivers to U.S. companies wanting to do business with Russia (including Exxon Mobil, who Trump’s own Secretary of State, Rex Tillerson was the Chairman of, before joining the White House)

D) Everyone knows Syria is a close friend and ally of Russia and Vladimir Putin. If you mess with Syria, you mess with Russia. No real surprise that Obama didn’t mess with Syria, which let ISIS grow. Well, when Syria used chemical weapons on their own people, Trump ordered a military strike on Syria, destroying the airport that launched the chemical attack, in essence, telling Putin “too bad”.

E) Montenegro is a sore spot for Vladimir Putin. It used to be controlled by Russia. They declared independence. They wanted to be admitted into NATO as a sovereign nation. To approve this would make Putin furious. Trump told Putin “too bad” and voted to allow Montenegro into NATO as a sovereign nation.

The media and Democrats have long claimed that Trump is controlled by Putin because Putin supposedly has dirt on Trump, like “collusion” or something else. These examples just prove how silly those conspiracy theories really are.

28) Trump has stood by American Law Enforcement and Police by verbally supporting them, and issuing a $98 million grant to hire hundreds more police officers across the country.

29) He’s added 100 new Immigration judges to speed up the process of deporting illegal immigrants.

30) Trump revived the National Space Council for the first time in 25 years for the purposes of new space exploration including a trip to Mars as well as improving defense technology regarding missile attacks.

MEANING if you vote for Trump, you’re not actually voting for Trump, you’re just voting for the people around him.

Where no counsel is, the people fall: but in the multitude of counsellors there is safety -Proverbs 11:14

[spacious]

I've been looking at pictures of J.D. Vance and comparing him to the gallery of LIEs and ILIs that I know, and my conclusion is that he is an ILI-Te.

And a very weird guy.

From https://jabberwocking.com/j-d-vance-...f-a-weird-guy/

J.D. Vance has been running for vice president less than two weeks and has already racked up an impressive list of recently uncovered greatest hits:

• Suggested that parents should get more votes than people without children.
  
• Said Kamala Harris is part of the community of "childless cat ladies" who want to make the country as miserable as they are. He later explained himself by saying he didn't actually have anything against cats.
  
• Went on at length about the prospect of George Soros filling 747s full of (mainly) Black women who want to fly out of Ohio to get abortions. Said he was sympathetic to arguments this should be banned.
  
• Became the target of a meme that he had fucked a couch in his youth. It is unclear how or why this started.
  
• Wrote the forward for the Heritage Foundation's ultra-right-wing Project 2025, which the Trump campaign is desperately trying to distance itself from.
  
• Praised a book written by a right-wing conspiracy theorist that calls leftist protesters "unhumans" who want to kill anyone who has more than they do.

The scariest thing about the above is that Ohio voters knew who he was, and voted for him BECAUSE he is who he is.

the way he bombed that joke about Diet Mountain Dew at the convention last week, I could see Fe polr. Also I could see an Ni belief in meritocracy

[Aster]

Politics are so polarizing. And i feel like democrats and republicans are flip sides of the same coin. I go on a democratic or liberal platform…blah blah blah Donald trump is the devil. I go on a republic platform blah blah blah Kamala is a whore. Politics brings out the worst in people. Really. People I formerly respected started talking about politics and I’m like wow you sound like a dumbass.

and they both suck. we need decent candidates.

basically, as an enneagram 9, I hate this thread lol

[Echo]

Politics are so polarizing. And i feel like democrats and republicans are flip sides of the same coin. I go on a democratic or liberal platform…blah blah blah Donald trump is the devil. I go on a republic platform blah blah blah Kamala is a whore. Politics brings out the worst in people. Really. People I formerly respected started talking about politics and I’m like wow you sound like a dumbass.

and they both suck. we need decent candidates.

basically, as an enneagram 9, I hate this thread lol

Yeah but the thing is people can't just disengage because they're disgusted. Because ultimately this will affect people's lives in a very serious way. As part of a civil Society, it’s our moral responsibility to be informed and engaged.

[Still Alive]

https://youtu.be/9VMZ80N4_Zg?si=ztFytl-59Ak28tth

Maybe the republicans really fumbled the football overall

[Still Alive]

Decent VP pick by the democrats

[Darth Cultis]

My wishlist for the Republicans (if they would ever want me to vote Republican again)

1. Nominate anyone other than Donald Trump. I'd probably vote Republican against Kamala, if you have anyone other than Trump. Trump is creepy, weird, and from being shown his shenanigans over the years, has an extreme lack of self-awareness, possibly an IQ under average, and likely is amoral or strictly opportunistically moral (which is arguably not moral at all...and arguably the opposite of democratic).
2. Stop it with the extreme anti-abortion bullshit.
3. Stop it with the LGBT hate. Go after pedophiles or people that actually harm other people. But if they happen to be LGBT, just drop it, they are a minority in just about everything, and there will be many more non-LGBT that fit this, so it's moot. This makes your party a "hate" party and any association as a "hateful" person. No thanks.

If you can't fix that, I'd prefer to vote for corrupt Gang-like Democrats that will rape and destroy the country, because then I don't even have a reason to care about it at that point.

[CrazyClock]

My wishlist for the Republicans (if they would ever want me to vote Republican again)

1. Nominate anyone other than Donald Trump. I'd probably vote Republican against Kamala, if you have anyone other than Trump. Trump is creepy, weird, and from being shown his shenanigans over the years, has an extreme lack of self-awareness, possibly an IQ under average, and likely is amoral or strictly opportunistically moral (which is arguably not moral at all...and arguably the opposite of democratic).
2. Stop it with the extreme anti-abortion bullshit.
3. Stop it with the LGBT hate. Go after pedophiles or people that actually harm other people. But if they happen to be LGBT, just drop it, they are a minority in just about everything, and there will be many more non-LGBT that fit this, so it's moot. This makes your party a "hate" party and any association as a "hateful" person. No thanks.

If you can't fix that, I'd prefer to vote for corrupt Gang-like Democrats that will rape and destroy the country, because then I don't even have a reason to care about it at that point.

well tell your male friends to stop cosplaying as females so they can win an olympic medal, it's getting out of hand. it's all getting so out of hand, your UK buddies are launching projectile trash bins lit on fire at the police

[Still Alive]

@Socionics Is Not A Cult: turns out the palestine situation does matter and that democrats are afraid of losing a significant voter base, otherwise this pick wouldn't have happened.

[timber]

I make a small comment about the fascination of you guys thinking that it's all divine intervention with Trump surviving and you give me an autistic rant about "high status". All I'm seeing is that Vance might even be a closeted homosexual and he's screwing Trump's chances big time with his almost "manlet loner incel" like comments. I wonder if that's divine intervention, too.

Apparently Trump wanted Doug Burgum but his sons insisted that Vance would be the best pick and Elon Musk and Tucker Carlsen said the same so Trump went: "well, I guess I trust these idiotic narcissists who have no clue about what they are doing". Democrats sitting there secretly thinking "yes yes please keep this chud until november we might actually habe a chance to win now".

Vance = Peter Theil, and AI facial recognition company. For the digital border wall. That's why.

[timber]

well tell your male friends to stop cosplaying as females so they can win an olympic medal, it's getting out of hand. it's all getting so out of hand, your UK buddies are launching projectile trash bins lit on fire at the police

She was assigned female at birth. But it's awesome people made the assumption and humiliated everyone involved. The boxer lost because she couldn't handle the punch. Fair and square.

[timber]

the way he bombed that joke about Diet Mountain Dew at the convention last week, I could see Fe polr. Also I could see an Ni belief in meritocracy

Meritocracy isn't IE dependent. Ni just notices causality. If anything meritocracy is related to ethics, and maybe utilitarianism. It's more of a societal and then individualistic ideal, than anything.