American Presidential Election 2024

[CrazyClock]

Why do you say he's a dictator?

He will bully Democratic congressman, abuse Democratic states (like how he raised taxes on them last time), stack the court with sycophants, "accidentally" kill protesters by ordering excessive force against them, change our education system in an attempt to radicalize the kids, restrict access to abortion, abandon our allies, stack the courts, and take rights from the queers.

This is because the Supreme Court is up his ass, and he plans on replacing qualified individuals in government with his loyalists.

[Trump Train]

Okay so I see this picture and I think so what? He's in a cynical, loveless marriage. Seems she wants nothing to do with first lady duties this time around. I don't blame her, with her husband's toxic behaviour who would want to be involved with that for their own mental health and sanity?

And what is the alternative of having a large loving family?

butt-sex, feces, and STDs, according to you?

[timber]

Look, the bottom line is, the left has been pushing and encouraging violence against me for years, folks. Yet, these maniacs blame me for the very things they're guilty of! It's a classic tactic of the radical left. Sad!

Yeah narcissist push people to the brink and then play victim when they get a reaction. By projecting their own faults onto others, they reveal themselves.

Nice try though, Trump. Classic "stop hitting yourself", *cries when Mom shows up.

[timber]

And what is the alternative of having a large loving family?

butt-sex, feces, and STDs, according to you?

Pardon? I've got an excellent relationship with my family.

Just more narcissistics' deflection tactics. Making it about something it's not.

[Distance]

Pardon? I've got an excellent relationship with my family.

Just more narcissistics' deflection tactics. Making it about something it's not.

lol. you wonder who the sock is.

[Still Alive]

lol. you wonder who the sock is.

probably someone who got banned a couple of times before. I'm surprised people even engage with these troll accounts

[DogOfDanger]

It is going to be used to distract from the fact that Trump is a rapist pedophile misogynist racist dictator MAGA violent extremist convicted felon

Super-duper mega hltler 2.0 d00msday evil incarnate boogey man beware billionaire scumbags!!!!! Bllaarrgghhh!!!

[CrazyClock]

Super-duper mega hltler 2.0 d00msday evil incarnate boogey man beware billionaire scumbags!!!!! Bllaarrgghhh!!!

Ah, the typical response of a white male MAGA trump supporting misogynists that wants to take womans rights away back to the 50s.

I think people are underestimating how reliant the economy is now on the work of women. When the USA forces women to all be house slaves, it will be the end of its largest power in the world status. If you look at China, they encourage women into high-paying jobs because they understand they hurt themselves by not using the labour and brainpower of 50% of the population. Yes, they still use women for all the unpaid work, like the West; but they're not trying to keep women locked in the kitchen

[Darth Cultis]

lol. you wonder who the sock is.

I'm guessing Subteigh.
He's a funny guy with all the socks...

[timber]

Super-duper mega hltler 2.0 d00msday evil incarnate boogey man beware billionaire scumbags!!!!! Bllaarrgghhh!!!

He's not a Billionaire. Nor evil incarnate. But, he is corrupt and so are his business practises.

[Darth Cultis]

Since type came up, I'm just going to say this once, no one has to care what I think, but I'm still going to say it,

My father was LSE-Te.
Brother SEE (not sure on subtype)
Step-father SLE-Ti

Guess which one he relates most with? The LSE...similar need to dominate and control everything. Even took his company to court for trying to make him retire, so he could keep making $500k a year in his senior finance job at a megacorporation (I won't share details)...he worked until he got cancer and died...I think his ex-wife took all his money...I stopped seeing him long ago...I know my brothers didn't get anything...well the SEE got a car bought new with a contract and more than half the loan still left to pay, lol (an ass move imo, my father could have easily paid it off and given it to him...I'm sure it was 'intentional').

alright, nevermind, everyone is IEI,

[godslave]

[Distance]

I'm guessing Subteigh.
He's a funny guy with all the socks...

He's harmless tho. He's a mother Paternal hen trying out benevolent costumes corralling everyone into the pen of critical thinking. He rides around in his car with the bumper sticker: If you can wash yer brain, then the wash isn't a wash, it's awash! Subteigh over and out.

Seriously tho, the buck stops at the abuse part.

Glad you are having a funner time here, btw.

[Still Alive]

Why would a type that doesn't even value extroverted sensing become the president of america? Why would a sensing type run for presidency when he's a demented corpse?Shouldn't he have at least some awareness of his physiological condition as a sensing type? Some random guy suggests ESE/LSE because he likes ice cream and people are eating it up.

[DogOfDanger]

Ah, the typical response of a white male MAGA trump supporting misogynists that wants to take womans rights away back to the 50s.

I think people are underestimating how reliant the economy is now on the work of women. When the USA forces women to all be house slaves, it will be the end of its largest power in the world status. If you look at China, they encourage women into high-paying jobs because they understand they hurt themselves by not using the labour and brainpower of 50% of the population. Yes, they still use women for all the unpaid work, like the West; but they're not trying to keep women locked in the kitchen

wHiT3 MaL3 mIs0gYnIst p@triachal rACI$T!!!! tAK3N w0men back da sT0|\|e aGe, maken em quarry stone and bake bread while I just BREEDEM, put a baby in'em... BLAAAAGGHHHH IT MAKES ME SO ANGRY!!!!!!! YOU SAY BRING ME A PEANUT BUTTER SANDWICH BITCH, MAGA GOT ME AGAIN BLAAHHHGHHH!!!!!
Oh great owl god Molache, I pray to thee.... have mercy on me, give me thy wings to fly, thy eyes to see, and thy beak to speak. it is you who shall sanctify me, I beckon thee... forgive me... amen.
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[Brynhild]

I don't plan on voting. On one hand, I can't support the party that denies the personhood of unborn humans and condones their murder. On the other hand, I can't support the "Christian" candidate who is known for his juvenile behavior, bigotry, and corruption.

My SEE father claims Trump is the lesser evil. While I understand where he's coming from, I'm not entirely convinced. As Christians, our primary purpose on this earth is to glorify Christ and lead others to follow Him. How do we accomplish that by putting one of religion's worst hypocrites into the most visible office in the world? Also, if Trump is elected, I suspect his second term will hurt the future of the GOP. My generation is very progressive, and that trend is going to continue if today's youth learn to associate conservatism with the likes of Trump. We'll win this battle but lose the war.

[DogOfDanger]

I don't plan on voting.

A very wise decision, but let me give you some better reasons -
1) you are more likely to die in a car crash on your way to vote, or contract an illness - possibly a rare tropical parasite - while waiting in line to vote... than for your vote to make the slightest difference on any level
2) your political views will generally just ruin your relationships with the insane people, which can make social life pretty miserable... even if you try to be a moderate and appease people you will still piss everyone off. it's a futile attempt
3) with the hour you spend voting you could have played a video game or started a udemy course that could change your career and life

On one hand, I can't support the party that denies the personhood of unborn humans and condones their murder.

Just the tip of the iceberg but it's a good enough reason.

On the other hand, I can't support the "Christian" candidate who is known for his juvenile behavior, bigotry, and corruption.

You're not going to find any political party that's free of corruption.

As Christians, our primary purpose on this earth is to glorify Christ and lead others to follow Him.

If people haven't been taught about religion it's a good thing to tell them about it. But if they're already been told about it and they just reject it / have no interest... you should just leave them alone. And that's most people. You shouldn't keep yourself locked in a lifelong, neverending battle to spread your beliefs, you'll just be banging your head against a brick wall - people have their own ability to reason and their own will, they can decide at some point if they believe in God or if they don't. If they don't - well, so be it.

How do we accomplish that by putting one of religion's worst hypocrites into the most visible office in the world?

There are much worse hypocrites. For example... Jim Jones was a bad hypocrite.
Trump is kind of a mixed bag, I can list bad things about his personality, but I can also justify almost everything on that list in some way or another. For example, he makes bullying or inflammatory remarks frequently, but it's almost always in response to someone attacking his character or something like this.
It's very difficult to sum up Trumps personality and his actions in just one neat way.
The truth is most people are horrible people, they are just alot less brazen about it. There are some people who really believe they're good people... but these people are usually foolish and dishonest... they also usually lack a coherent moral framework and are just driven by self-preservation instinct, where they conform to societies expectations and values. The standards the typical person conforms to are very superficial and illegitimate.

My generation is very progressive, and that trend is going to continue if today's youth learn to associate conservatism with the likes of Trump. We'll win this battle but lose the war.

a) the progressive trend is going to continue regardless. It will continue at least until the currency hyperinflates, which will probably be... many decades. I probably won't see it happen in my lifetime. you might... not sure
b) the damage Trump could do to the conservative movement has already been done at this point.
c) the war for societies values is already lost. There's no undoing things... there is too much unwillingness and resistance. And the problems go very deep. For example, much of societies problems are not mere political attitudes, but are related to lifestyle and we're simply not willing to change our lifestyle. Not until we're forced to change, anyway - something catastrophic will need to occur.

[Darth Cultis]

Yes, the memes have begun.

[Brynhild]

Just the tip of the iceberg but it's a good enough reason.

There are other problems, but I mentioned abortion in particular because it stands out to me as the most egregious issue. To give another example, I strongly disagree with the left's transgender agenda.

The truth is most people are horrible people, they are just alot less brazen about it.

I agree with your assessment of human nature—but this doesn't "justify" Trump. The argument amounts to "yeah he sucks but so do other people." It's less a defense of Trump and more an indictment of people aside from Trump. As for the brazenness point, just imagine that two men commit murder. One hides the dead body, and the other dumps the dead body on his front porch. The second murderer is brazen all right, but we shouldn't support him or defend him or claim that he's better than the other murderer. Point being, brazenness doesn't absolve awfulness, only exposes it. Personally, I prefer polite and respectable authenticity to what’s termed brazenness. I expect professionalism from my bosses, and I certainly expect it from the leader of the United States. Of course, I expect good character as well, but perhaps my expectations are too high... I would hope not, given the high stakes of the job.

a) the progressive trend is going to continue regardless. It will continue at least until the currency hyperinflates, which will probably be... many decades. I probably won't see it happen in my lifetime. you might... not sure

b) the damage Trump could do to the conservative movement has already been done at this point.

You're probably right about the progressive trend’s continuation being inevitable... Trump's second term could exacerbate it, though. He might do more damage by staying at the forefront of the public consciousness for another four years.

[DogOfDanger]

I agree with your assessment of human nature—but this doesn't "justify" Trump. The argument amounts to "yeah he sucks but so do other people." It's less a defense of Trump and more an indictment of people aside from Trump. As for the brazenness point, just imagine that two men commit murder. One hides the dead body, and the other dumps the dead body on his front porch. The second murderer is brazen all right, but we shouldn't support him or defend him or claim that he's better than the other murderer. Point being, brazenness doesn't absolve awfulness, only exposes it. Personally, I prefer polite and respectable authenticity to what’s termed brazenness. I expect professionalism from my bosses, and I certainly expect it from the leader of the United States. Of course, I expect good character as well, but perhaps my expectations are too high... I would hope not, given the high stakes of the job.

For politics in the world we actually live in - yes, you are expecting too much unfortunately.
The nice thing about the murderer who dumps the dead body on his front porch is you can see that he committed the crime... you can see what crime it actually is, assess the situation and respond appropriately. On the other hand, the murderer that hides the body well may get away with it again, they may even have a stash of 30 bodies under their floorboards...
If you get someone kind and well spoken - Obama was one such person, very well spoken - you're most likely also getting someone who is functioning mainly as an actor and controlled behind the scenes by super-rich global elites, many of which could very well be psychopaths leading the military industrial complex. Next thing you know 8 years pass and you look around - your country is funding a proxy war in Syria, ISIS has taken over 60% of the land there and is committing mass rapes of young girls, 300,000 people are dead and there's a mass migration of millions into Europe, destabilizing the socialist nations there... and you really have been given no coherent explanation as to why this is happening other than "Assad gassed his own people", meanwhile we're unleashing complete havoc. At that point you may realize you really are not being told anything, whoever is in control doesn't appear to be running things correctly, and something needs to change. And then you might understand the value of Trump, whose childishness we can tolerate so long as his brazenness conveys clearly what his actual goals and priorities are.

[Echo]

Making abortion illegal doesn’t protect unborn lives, it just forces desperate women into a corner. Just look at history.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.p...&diffonly=true
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amelia_Dyer
http://www.capitalpunishmentuk.org/infanticide.html

[SlaveChildOfSlaanesh]

Making abortion illegal doesn’t protect unborn lives, it just forces desperate women into a corner. Just look at history.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.p...&diffonly=true
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amelia_Dyer
http://www.capitalpunishmentuk.org/infanticide.html

Making murder illegal doesn't completely stop murder, but it does deter it. You pretend like the average person wouldn't consider abortion significantly more strongly when it's legal, encouraged, and easy. Most people who get them are not in a state of mind where they would want to kill their kid no matter what, even at the cost of their own life. Most are instead conflicted and likely wouldn't pursue the option if it was not in fact an option.

[Echo]

Making murder illegal doesn't completely stop murder, but it does deter it. You pretend like the average person wouldn't consider abortion significantly more strongly when it's legal, encouraged, and easy. Most people who get them are not in a state of mind where they would want to kill their kid no matter what, even at the cost of their own life. Most are instead conflicted and likely wouldn't pursue the option if it was not in fact an option.

Does it? I’m not really sure there are any statistics available that could prove that since I don’t know of anywhere where murder isn’t illegal. I would argue it’s more the social pressure that deters it than anything else.

And no, the average person would just drive over to the next state or Canada for their abortion. Or find a discreet doctor who is willing to take cash. Which basically only leaves people who are, for whatever reason, unable to do that (Like women who are victims of domestic violence, in the lowest income brackets, or who are under 18). So basically people who have the most to lose, and who are the most desperate, and in the case of those under 18, have the worst impulse control and are the least likely to consider long-term consequences.

[SlaveChildOfSlaanesh]

I don't plan on voting. On one hand, I can't support the party that denies the personhood of unborn humans and condones their murder. On the other hand, I can't support the "Christian" candidate who is known for his juvenile behavior, bigotry, and corruption.

My SEE father claims Trump is the lesser evil. While I understand where he's coming from, I'm not entirely convinced. As Christians, our primary purpose on this earth is to glorify Christ and lead others to follow Him. How do we accomplish that by putting one of religion's worst hypocrites into the most visible office in the world? Also, if Trump is elected, I suspect his second term will hurt the future of the GOP. My generation is very progressive, and that trend is going to continue if today's youth learn to associate conservatism with the likes of Trump. We'll win this battle but lose the war.

Well why do you consider personality to be above policy issues? Conservatism also seems far more revitalized under Trump with youth than it was with the neocons that were in charge before Trump. I never saw youth support for Romney and Chaney like I do with Trump. I personally would love the American Solidarity Party to be in charge but since that's not gonna happen, I go with the realistic option, which is Trump. I find Republicans to be blatantly evil on the fiscal level but support them socially and find Democrats to be far beyond incompetent on every level. I also think that what many find appealing about Trump is that he isn't as hypocritical as most politicians. He gives you who he is in full, unlike most others who put on a benevolent face as they support the most heinous acts. He's honest with how shitty he is lol And with Christianity, is that really such an issue with leadership considering that Jesus actively discouraged rebellion against Rome and that Christians have supported the most monstrous of monarchs throughout the ages? You really think Trump's half as bad as the average medieval king?

[Still Alive]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?si=9y5Mw...ature=youtu.be

@4:41: Make America great...ugh special again. Almost want to post the spiderman doppelganger meme.

[SlaveChildOfSlaanesh]

Does it? I’m not really sure there are any statistics available that could prove that since I don’t know of anywhere where murder isn’t illegal. I would argue it’s more the social pressure that deters it than anything else.

And no, the average person would just drive over to the next state or Canada for their abortion. Or find a discreet doctor who is willing to take cash. Which basically only leaves people who are, for whatever reason, unable to do that (Like women who are victims of domestic violence, in the lowest income brackets, or who are under 18). So basically people who have the most to lose, and who are the most desperate, and in the case of those under 18, have the worst impulse control and are the least likely to consider long-term consequences.

It's basic psychology. People will do what's most convenient to do. As much as I'd say love to rob a store to feed myself when in hunger, the illegality of the act makes me and most people, significantly less likely to do so. Will people still rob and steal with it being illegal? Yes. Would people do it significantly more if it wasn't illegal? Yes. Illegality is a deterrent. This goes for all crime.

The solution then isn't to legalized abortion in your latter scenario, but provide for more pregnancy center resources to help assist those in said situations, encourage adoption, and support the adoption programs. Some being desperate enough to harm themselves in killing their kids shouldn't justify letting anyone just freely kill their kids. Also note that abortion itself isn't a perfectly safe procedure and many have died and have been severely injured from it.

[Still Alive]

Also note that abortion itself isn't a perfectly safe procedure and many have died and have been severely injured from it.

"Deaths from safe abortion are negligible, <1/100 000"

"On the other hand, in regions where unsafe abortions are common, the death rates are high, at > 200/100 000 abortions."

https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-s...etail/abortion

[Echo]

It's basic psychology. People will do what's most convenient to do. As much as I'd say love to rob a store to feed myself when in hunger, the illegality of the act makes me and most people, significantly less likely to do so. Will people still rob and steal with it being illegal? Yes. Would people do it significantly more if it wasn't illegal? Yes. Illegality is a deterrent. This goes for all crime.

A: You’re completely forgetting about other repercussions, like revenge, and social stigma, which also serve as deterrents in those cases (making something illegal isn’t the sole, or ever primary, factor in it being inconvenient. Especially since this is such a divisive issue that making it illegal would only serve to increase public sympathy for those who choose to have an illegal abortion), and B: You’re telling me that if you’re starving, you wouldn’t take a chance and shoplift some food even if it was illegal? Sorry, I’m calling BS on that one. 9 out 10 people would shoplift in that situation.

The solution then isn't to legalized abortion in your latter scenario, but provide for more pregnancy center resources to help assist those in said situations, encourage adoption, and support the adoption programs

Not really. That only helps people who would have an abortion for economic reasons. Not a teenager who is terrified their parents will find out they are pregnant or women who are victims of domestic violence.

Some being desperate enough to harm themselves in killing their kids shouldn't justify letting anyone just freely kill their kids.

Who said it does? We’re not talking about killing kids, we’re talking about abortions. There’s a difference.

Also note that abortion itself isn't a perfectly safe procedure and many have died and have been severely injured from it.

Neither is childbirth. Thousands die from that every year, and many more suffer physical complications.

[SlaveChildOfSlaanesh]

"Deaths from safe abortion are negligible, <1/100 000"

"On the other hand, in regions where unsafe abortions are common, the death rates are high, at > 200/100 000 abortions."

https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-s...etail/abortion

Provide more specific statistics. Is this comparison the safety of an official abortion in Switzerland compared to a street abortion in Pakistan? I imagine delivering a child would likewise be significantly safer in Switzerland compared to Pakistan as well. Which is why I say provide something more specific. Else it just begs for bias as I cannot see which locations data is being drawn from. What's the mortality rate from abortion in a first world nation that has it legalized compared to a first world nation that doesn't? And besides all this, pay attention to the last part of my last comment. I support both making abortion illegal and providing support for mother's to encourage delivery and adoption. Not make abortion illegal and encourage everyone to have street abortions.

[Echo]

"Deaths from safe abortion are negligible, <1/100 000"

"On the other hand, in regions where unsafe abortions are common, the death rates are high, at > 200/100 000 abortions."

https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-s...etail/abortion

Exactly. Plus maternal death rate is 13.41/100,000.
https://www.npeu.ox.ac.uk/mbrrace-uk...1.86%2D15.10).

[Echo]

Provide more specific statistics. Is this comparison the safety of an official abortion in Switzerland compared to a street abortion in Pakistan? I imagine delivering a child would likewise be significantly safer in Switzerland compared to Pakistan as well. Which is why I say provide something more specific. Else it just begs for bias as I cannot see which locations data is being drawn from. What's the mortality rate from abortion in a first world nation that has it legalized compared to a first world nation that doesn't? And besides all this, pay attention to the last part of my last comment. I support both making abortion illegal and providing support for mother's to encourage delivery and adoption. Not make abortion illegal and encourage everyone to have street abortions.

And what you’re failing to recognize is that making abortion Illegal does encourage street abortions, whether you want it to or not, and whether you provide pregnancy support or not. also, where are you getting the money for all that from? You really don’t think the hard Christians arent gonna wanna defund Programs like that because they encourage “immoral behavior”?

[SlaveChildOfSlaanesh]

A: You’re completely forgetting about other repercussions, like revenge, and social stigma, which also serve as deterrents in those cases (making something illegal isn’t the sole, or ever primary, factor in it being inconvenient. Especially since this is such a divisive issue that making it illegal would only serve to increase public sympathy for those who choose to have an illegal abortion), and B: You’re telling me that if you’re starving, you wouldn’t take a chance and shoplift some food even if it was illegal? Sorry, I’m calling BS on that one. 9 out 10 people would shoplift in that situation.



Not really. That only helps people who would have an abortion for economic reasons. Not a teenager who is terrified their parents will find out they are pregnant or women who are victims of domestic violence.



Who said it does? We’re not talking about killing kids, we’re talking about abortions. There’s a difference.



Neither is childbirth. Thousands die from that every year, and many more suffer physical complications.

I spent many days of my childhood starving and no, never shoplifted. Most countries with poverty likewise don't exist in pure anarchy, as it would if you point was even remotely valid. You can't seriously be trying to say that an act made illegal serves as no deterrent to most individuals from committing that act? I would love to see a study on that. It only serve to increase sympathy for those who refuse to look at a child as a human being and actively wish for mother's to have abortions.

Wrong. When I said support for mother's in their pregnancy, I don't mean just throw money at them. If parents or spouses are a danger, remove them from the situation and engage in legal action. Don't kill the baby and say good luck with your abuse otherwise.

A fetus a developing human child. Human life starts at conception. At conception, the human body begins to develop into a more advanced stage of fetus, into an infant, into a small child, into an older child, to teenager, to young adult, to middle age, to elderly. This process begins there. No scientific evidence shows otherwise. Life does not begin when a politician randomly decides so in order to conveniently kill anyone under that stage by dehumanizing them. That's not science.

Difference being that death from childbirth is naturally caused death. Death from abortion is not, as it is actively ripping apart a human being with the risk of injuring and killing the mother along with it.

[SlaveChildOfSlaanesh]

And what you’re failing to recognize is that making abortion Illegal does encourage street abortions, whether you want it to or not, and whether you provide pregnancy support or not. also, where are you getting the money for all that from? You really don’t think the hard Christians arent gonna wanna defund Programs like that because they encourage “immoral behavior”?

Making thieft illegal likewise encourages illegal thieft. The solution to this isn't to legalized thieft, nor murder, nor any other crime. You address the social causes and focus on providing REAL solutions, not just say "they'll commit crimes even if we make them illegal so let's just legalize everything". You do realise many abortion support resources are run by die hard Christians because liberals rather just kill kids then look for real solution? There's even entire Catholic organisations run by nuns doing this. Planned Parenthood certainly isn't doing it, precisely because they make too much money selling human cells through butchery.

[Still Alive]

Provide more specific statistics.

Am I your slave? Look it up for yourself you lazy bum.

[Echo]

Provide more specific statistics. Is this comparison the safety of an official abortion in Switzerland compared to a street abortion in Pakistan? I imagine delivering a child would likewise be significantly safer in Switzerland compared to Pakistan as well. Which is why I say provide something more specific. Else it just begs for bias as I cannot see which locations data is being drawn from. What's the mortality rate from abortion in a first world nation that has it legalized compared to a first world nation that doesn't?

“The annual number of reported deaths from induced abortions (legal and illegal) tended to be higher in the 1980s, when it ranged from nine to 16, and from 1972 to 1979, when it ranged from 13 to 63. One driver of the decline was the drop in deaths from illegal abortions. There were 39 deaths from illegal abortions in 1972, the last full year before Roe v. Wade. The total fell to 19 in 1973 and to single digits or zero every year after that. (The number of deaths from legal abortions has also declined since then, though with some slight variation over time.)
The number of deaths from induced abortions was considerably higher in the 1960s than afterward. For instance, there were 119 deaths from induced abortions in 1963 and 99 in 1965, according to reports by the then-U.S. Department of Health, Education and Welfare, a precursor to the Department of Health and Human Services. The CDC is a division of Health and Human Services.”
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-re...bortion_1-png/

[SlaveChildOfSlaanesh]

Am I your slave? Look it up for yourself you lazy bum.

Pathetic response from one who has no answer. Don't engage someone in conversation then get upset when they engage back dumbass.

[SlaveChildOfSlaanesh]

“The annual number of reported deaths from induced abortions (legal and illegal) tended to be higher in the 1980s, when it ranged from nine to 16, and from 1972 to 1979, when it ranged from 13 to 63. One driver of the decline was the drop in deaths from illegal abortions. There were 39 deaths from illegal abortions in 1972, the last full year before Roe v. Wade. The total fell to 19 in 1973 and to single digits or zero every year after that. (The number of deaths from legal abortions has also declined since then, though with some slight variation over time.)
The number of deaths from induced abortions was considerably higher in the 1960s than afterward. For instance, there were 119 deaths from induced abortions in 1963 and 99 in 1965, according to reports by the then-U.S. Department of Health, Education and Welfare, a precursor to the Department of Health and Human Services. The CDC is a division of Health and Human Services.”
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-re...bortion_1-png/

Now compare within the same era and medical standards. That's my point. Deaths from childbirth were likewise higher and you're going back to the same drawn out argument of illegal abortion that I've already addressed. As I said, the solution isn't to ban abortion and encourage illegal abortion, the solution is to handle the problem with abortion as a whole. Abortion is wrong whether legal or illegal and must be stopped whether legal or illegal, just like any other form of murder.

[Still Alive]

Pathetic response from one who has no answer. Don't engage someone in conversation then get upset when they engage back dumbass.

I provided you some facts and you respond with "show me more from this or that country". Like, who do you think you are? You don't fool me, you are a christian conservative, you wouldn't care about any facts. You just randomly state "many abortions end in death", when it's in reality less than 100k. You disregard facts in favor of your ideological convictions. You won't change your opinion so what do I care.

[Echo]

I spent many days of my childhood starving and no, never shoplifted. Most countries with poverty likewise don't exist in pure anarchy, as it would if you point was even remotely valid. You can't seriously be trying to say that an act made illegal serves as no deterrent to most individuals from committing that act? I would love to see a study on that. It only serve to increase sympathy for those who refuse to look at a child as a human being and actively wish for mother's to have abortions.

Wrong. When I said support for mother's in their pregnant, I don't mean just throw money at them. If parents or spouses are a danger, remove them from the situation and engage in legal action. Don't kill the baby and say good luck with your abuse otherwise.

A fetus a developing human child. Human life starts at conception. At conception, the human body begins to develop into a more advanced stage of fetus, into an infant, into a small child, into an older child, to teenager, to young adult, to middle age, to elderly. This process begins there. No scientific evidence shows otherwise. Life does not begin when a politician randomly decides so in order to conveniently kill anyone under that stage by dehumanizing them. That's not science.

Difference being that death from childbirth is naturally caused death. Death from abortion is not, as it is actively ripping apart a human being with the risk of injuring and killing the mother along with it.

wow, so many problems with that response I don’t even know how to address them all.

1. you keep on asking for studies that don’t exist because there are no areas where murder and theft are not illegal. I didn’t say that the illegality of abortion would serve as no deterrent, I’m saying in most cases it wouldn’t and in some cases it’s irrelevant. No one‘s gonna have a baby because they can’t be bothered to drive to Canada for their abortion.
2. Oh yeah, That’ll happen. There’s already tons of programs Trying to separate Women and children from their abusers when there is no pregnancy involved. And they’re failing miserably. Do you know how freaking hard it is to leave an abuser?
3. Since you’re such a fan of statistics to prove things, show me one actual piece of proof that shows that human life begins at conception. If it did, this would be human life: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molar_pregnancy
4. by your logic, if I locked someone in a room without access to food and they starve to death, it is technically natural because no one was ripped apart. The issue isn’t whether it’s natural or not the issue is whether it’s preventable or not, and whether a woman would choose to prevent it if she could.

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I provided you some facts and you respond with "show me more from this or that country". Like, who do you think you are? You don't fool me, you are a christian conservative, you wouldn't care about any facts. You just randomly state "many abortions end in death", when it's in reality less than 100k. You disregard facts in favor of your ideological convictions. You won't change your opinion so what do I care.

You provided random vague facts that didn't address what I was speaking about. I said many abortions end in death and your source vaguely contrasted illegal abortion deaths and legal abortion deaths without any specifics to it (and for the hundredth time, illegal abortion deaths support my argument as abortion being wrong and evil). You're an antisemitic communist with severe mental illness who hates facts. Isn't shouting random personal attacks fun? Thanks for doing absolutely nothing but making the thread less civil.