Say your arguments why a LIE E4 cannot exist

[Braingel]

Another reason why I view social as the most soulful instinct bu itself (I don’t believe all social leads would be, and some types, like for instance, a sexual 8 or sexual 1, are more soulful).. Is because it with its advent of language, allows more transformation beyond human instinct. There is now a way to abstract biases and move beyond an ego. It is because of social you are here reading my thoughts on enneagram, and why you have been able to study any form of typology that may or may not have contributed to more self-awareness. But without sexual and SP, the social will not be able to uphold, so they both tied in to be able hold the flag of language up.

All this stuff was supposed go in my own thread on enneagram, but being the scatterbrained irrational type I am, I am not very conscientious always, of where I write things..

[Braingel]

I personally don’t believe it’s one person though, because there are numerous languages forming around the world at different times where transportation hadn’t been..

[Braingel]

But yes, I do believe one person can start it in an area and mutate social where it wasn’t before… I have written about how I see social 4 and social 5 corresponding to hyperlexia .. I have this myself and am airship (diagnosed). It most often occurs in those on the spectrum.

[Braingel]

Sexual is 1-1 because it concerns in the attraction of a mate.. One can’t be sexual without a focus on reproductive behaviors. 1-1 intimacy also involves this, and sexual doms are concerned about appearing sexually attractive, which goes on steroids if image.

And even going by naranjo, if you focus on anything, it entails how strong the mate is. SX2 tries chase a mate to give to it and seduce it in.. 4 gets envious and competitive over it all..

[Braingel]

But let’s also look at this as well.. In order for a person to make a language, they’d have to find people social enough to engage them, to show and point out what the symbols mean. They’d probably like point at something and say the word or show the symbol… Then they obviously their own self have be a social dom to have all this focus and effort into teaching a person all this stuff, likely not just a person, but group. I mean, for this reason, it is possible even that a social 4w3 Eie could’ve helped originate some things.. With an LII social 5 who maybe made it in their area.. and the Eie was the teacher and communicator after…

[Braingel]

This by the way, fits Quadra progressions with alpha being the genesis if ideas, beta being next to pick it up.. then.. maybe SEE helped spread it next.. with the force and 4D Fe.. and then maybe some IEE

[Braingel]

BecYse the LII would define with Ti base and come up with Ne various words and ideas to transcribe and teach.. and a social 5 would be good at communicating it all.

[Pseudomorph]

But even if this person was thinking to their own self… It would’ve been a social lead type who had the focus to want make a language.. A social 5 or something.. LII or IEI. Sure, I can believe this.. But they still would be a social lead to have this focus…

Sure, social types could be the ones to make languages, but Noam Chomsky doesn't believe languages are the primary form of language either, which is what I think really throws people off with his whole universal grammar hypothesis and the ideas of e-language vs. i-language (external language and internal language.) Saying that language exists independently of the idea of separate languages is some pre-Babel idea, of course most people aren't going to want to acknowledge that might really be how things are, never mind all the people in linguistics who have made their entire careers on studying individual languages for largely-nationalistic goals.

[Braingel]

Sure, social types could be the ones to make languages, but Noam Chomsky doesn't believe languages are the primary form of language either, which is what I think really throws people off with his whole universal grammar hypothesis and the ideas of e-language vs. i-language (external language and internal language.) Saying that language exists independently of the idea of separate languages is some pre-Babel idea, of course most people aren't going to want to acknowledge that might really be how things are, never mind all the people in linguistics who have made their entire careers on studying individual languages for largely-nationalistic goals.

I mean mathematics is also a form of language, but that would have required a fully fleshed out language to be created to grasp and fathom.. To know what number means what, what an equation means, and this sort.. Math has always existed of course, but for a person to realize it and make symbolisms of the equivalencies, there would’ve required an established language or languages. Because I am sure it is plural with various cultures configuring different mathematical means at different times…

[Nemo]

I think that by Naranjo, an extroversive 4 or logical 4 is impossible. However, I don’t view Naranjo’s work as complete. I view it as very important, and the basis of things.. By RH, an IEE and an EIE can be a 4… a 4w3.. An EIE or IEE will *never* be a 4w5… And as far as ILI, I recommend you look at Magus of Chrono trigger to see a very rare.. One in a few million ordeal, ILI 4. Only 458 SP/SX can be a 4….. (This is by Riso and Tritype)..

Thanks, I'll check it out.

458 is a double rejecting 4…. The ILI 458 would basically just be internalizing envy and feel alienated… The rejection would make the emotions not focus on, that feed to the 4 core emotional processing areas.

Sounds like the ILI would be a jumper, it doesn't make much sense for a type that isn't very reflective, introspective, strong in empathy, and hyperfixated on their self-image, if not frequently enough to be considered to be a E4, to be a E4.

[Braingel]

Thanks, I'll check it out.



Sounds like the ILI would be a jumper, it doesn't make much sense for a type that isn't very reflective, introspective, strong in empathy, and hyperfixated on their self-image, if not frequently enough to be considered to be a E4, to be a E4.

Yes, an ILI-Ni is sort of more of a jumper, with less stable Te use and more Fi to compensate.. Magus of Chrono Trigger is a pertinent example..

[Nemo]

Yes, an ILI-Ni is sort of more of a jumper, with less stable Te use and more Fi to compensate.. Magus of Chrono Trigger is a pertinent example..

Well I'd still say the ILI would have to be NiFi, even still with regular ILI-Ni, it still acknowledges that their Te is > Fi. I'll still have to check out that character and analyze him on my own time so I can form my own stance.

[Braingel]

Well I'd still say the ILI would have to be NiFi, even still with regular ILI-Ni, it still acknowledges that their Te is > Fi. I'll still have to check out that character and analyze him on my own time so I can form my own stance.

This is a long video of magus as a character.. I don’t even want watch it all, but https://youtu.be/xMO1jJzUkHQ?si=4sKRWtz3zTj7LKtq.. There may also be quotes of him

[Braingel]

Again, Magus is like one in a million or few.. These kinds of people basically don’t exist, but every once in awhile, like a rare mutation, it can happen.