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Alonzo
The harshness of the following sentiment isn't personally directed at you, but more towards others' and their 99cent opinions on IEIs that have been expressed in this thread: if it's one thing that I absolutely have no time for, it's "gaslighting." I'm not a dumb person, by any means, I know how to read, I know how to parse/analyze complex texts, and I know how to think critically and across context. There's no possible way that a crucial aspect of Ni is not a function inherently concerned with depth and finding abstract, typically "universalist" meaning in the concrete> that's literally describing one aspect/manifestation of the fucking Ni/Se axis.
This is Carl Jung on Ni:
It is different with the morally orientated intuitive (or IEI). He concerns himself with the meaning of his vision; he troubles less about its further æsthetic possibilities than about the possible moral effects which emerge from its intrinsic significance. His judgment allows him to discern, though often only darkly, that he, as a man and as a totality, is in some way interrelated with his vision, that it is something which cannot just be perceived but which also would fain become the life of the subject.
Through this realization he feels bound to transform his vision into his own life. But, since he tends to rely exclusively upon his vision, his moral effort becomes one-sided; he makes himself and his life symbolic, adapted, it is true, to the inner and eternal meaning of events, but unadapted to the actual present-day reality. Therewith he also deprives himself of any influence upon it, because he remains unintelligible. His language is not that which is commonly spoken—it becomes too subjective. His argument lacks convincing reason. He can only confess or pronounce. His is the 'voice of one crying in the wilderness'.
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Here's what Socionist Filatova has to say about IEI, this time putting more emphasis on the time aspect of Ni:
The IEI’s principal value in this world are the invaluable gardens of his own imagination, with the aid of which it is possible for him to penetrate into the past and future, to feel the surrounding world in its wholeness, to understand the dynamics of present events, and furthermore – to inspire people to any necessary undertakings.
Ni – Program function. Introversion of IEI's intuition dictates that his consciousness is submerged in modeling of processes of time. His thoughts sail, flow, easily going forward and backwards in time. In contrast to the ILI, the IEI is focused on ethics, and therefore he is less concerned with the problems of the material world and production; his interests lie in the development of people's emotions, relations, and potential.
He internally observes everything as in constant motion: children – run, adults – work, some actions are undertaken, rivers – flow, heavenly bodies – move in the sky… for the IEI, time constitutes a kind of aether into which everything is submerged. A dreamer and romantic, the IEI is easily separated from reality and taken by his thoughts into the land of images and insights, from which he derives enjoyment and meaning of his existence. He's drawn to literature containing elements of the fantastical and breathtaking adventures. He imagines himself participating together with heroes of the novels, giving himself up to periods of creative imaginings. His mind, as a rule, focuses on something that is sublime and elegant – he may think of a journey around the world aboard an ocean liner (alongside a refined public), of an alluring cottage with a fireplace and white piano, of beautiful transcendent love…
However, the IEI is also able to sense the imminence of events, to catch the barely noticeable currents of attitudes and dynamics within society. He can feel the precise moment in time when action must be taken; mostly vividly he feels the imminence of crisis situations and danger, at which time he becomes very agitated and disturbed.
He is adept at noticing people's characteristics, idiosyncrasies, abilities and potential, and is drawn towards capable individuals (sometimes for his own purposes). With respect to his own abilities and talents there is an internal, frequently secret, conviction that he exceeds others in his spiritual aristocratism, viewing himself as a member of an elite of humanity, but usually he does not openly demonstrate this perception.
Introverted intuition in the leading bloc impedes him seeing himself from the outside. He finds it difficult to objectively evaluate his behavior, and is inclined to justify himself in everything. His inclination to distance himself from reality and difficulties in self-appraisal can lead to egocentrism and excessive submersion in his own world.
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Here is Gulenko's take on IEI, followed by some slight supervision lol:
Romantic dreamer* and visionary**. Curious: not indifferent to anything that is novel, unusual, and fascinating. Leaves an impression by his unexpected, sometimes extravagant behavior and statements. Has a refined sense of humor. Knows how to comfort a person, how to uplift the mood.
In his behavior the IEI is guided by his intuitive presentiments. Due to this quality he is capable of surviving in the most difficult situations. He quickly distinguishes falsehood, hypocrisy, artifice, degradation (even in themselves). Often acts as if he has time to spare and puts off much until tomorrow. Inclined to optimism, believes in a bright future. Pictures and visions that the IEI creates in his mind are usually much more attractive to him than everyday life proves to be. Can calm people down, instill hope and inspire them by telling of coming changes for the better. In conversation, dislikes highlighting mistakes of the past.
dreamer*: a person who is unpractical and idealistic (unrealistically aiming for perfection)
visionary**: thinking about or planning the future with imagination or wisdom; relating to or able to see visions in a dream or trance, or as a supernatural apparition.
Because Gulenko is a Ti base, I know that he is careful and intentional, albeit sometimes too strict and categorical when it comes to the language he uses--technically, his definitions are accurate. However, one would think that 3D creative Ne- should be able to discern and anticipate how some words convey multiple meanings that the average person isn't well versed in and so there must be discernment so as to not potentially confuse. But factoring all the possible ways something might be interpreted (essentially based primarily on guesses, assumptions and hypotheticals) is not the same thing as how people actually often interpret them...cause the average person understands words at the normative and colloquial level. From a 4D Se vantage point, I can see how a lot of his verbiage might be misinterpreted, realistically/practically speaking. IMO, it's still too generalized and, therefore, "vague."
Dreaming/Daydreaming ≠ intuition, necessarily. As previously stated in my analysis to the OP, daydreams are "a series of pleasant thoughts that distract one's attention from the present." Therefore, it's important to get clear and discern if the pleasant thoughts reflect past experiences/sense impressions (Si) or do they concern possible realities of what could be (Ne+) and/or envisioning how your future will unfold before you, via newly created images and symbols (Ni)?
Here's where things get more complicated and problematic: according to neuroscientist Dario Nardi, both Si and Ni leads frequently access regions of the brain that are strong in visual thinking and that predict what will surely happen in the future, and/or apply a symbolic meaning to the future. This holds up to Socionics because all introverted irrational types (XEIs and XLIs) can access the IE opposing their 4D base function via the 2D role function.
However, for the strong Si valuers, their access to that region is not related to imagination or wishful thinking--it's about planning concrete details, schedules or activities that will be accomplished, but closer to the present moment. Whereas for Ni leads, it's more about visually creating their future and crafting mental landscapes that are new, as in they are not a part of a previously constructed past. Another distinguishing factor is that the brains of Si leads often enter a zen/flow state when vividly recalling past sense impressions and experiences whereas Ni leads enter this state when allowed to freely build what the/their futures might look like, potentially extrapolating FAR into the future.
My point is that these are Se data/info oriented factors and variables that must be factored in the typing method and type profiles in order to paint a more (Se) accurate and dynamic picture of what's motivating these different types towards behaviors that might superficially look the same.
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LMAO) and I have a lot of pictures and good experiences I can look back on with fondness [Si+]. It does make you a little bit sad that it's over, but I have so much to look forward to in future CAP. (informationally shallow 1-2D Ni+ cosplay)
Bye bye now!
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) but she mentioned her long time LSE friend ( non valued low FI most likely lose long time friend like that ) anyway they aren’t friend anymore and she seemed really lost as to why didn’t even seemed like she really care to know why or talk about it .Cause it’s 2D FI non valued it can’t go that deep into personal relationships and don’t really care that much.
I don't say this as an insult to the OP, but based off of her posts/videos/interaction with me, I honestly don't believe she shares your capacity. 
But I did appreciate the good faith exchange. 
