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    How to love me LOL

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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

    Best description of functions:
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    I'm confused. Isn't this about the MBTI INFJ? so she is talking about IEI?
    my ideas about socionics:

    https://soziotypen.de/thoughts-on-socionics/

    the section will be updated ever other month or so.

    this is a VI thread with IEI examples

    https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...-(IEI-edition)

    and this is a thread with EIE examples

    https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...s-EIE-examples

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alive View Post
    I'm confused. Isn't this about the MBTI INFJ? so she is talking about IEI?
    No the functions are assigned incorrectly in the mbti. EII is INFJ
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

    Best description of functions:
    http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html

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    Now I'm even more confused. INFP in MBTI have Fi base, which EII also have.

    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/62/e3...9b2c385be6.jpg

    MBTI INFP -> socionics EII
    MBTI INFJ -> socionics IEI
    my ideas about socionics:

    https://soziotypen.de/thoughts-on-socionics/

    the section will be updated ever other month or so.

    this is a VI thread with IEI examples

    https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...-(IEI-edition)

    and this is a thread with EIE examples

    https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...s-EIE-examples

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alive View Post
    Now I'm even more confused. INFP in MBTI have Fi base, which EII also have.

    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/62/e3...9b2c385be6.jpg

    MBTI INFP -> socionics EII
    MBTI INFJ -> socionics IEI
    No
    The defintion of Fi is changed in mbti to match Fe
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

    Best description of functions:
    http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beautiful sky View Post
    No
    The defintion of Fi is changed in mbti to match Fe
    according to whom? you?
    my ideas about socionics:

    https://soziotypen.de/thoughts-on-socionics/

    the section will be updated ever other month or so.

    this is a VI thread with IEI examples

    https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...-(IEI-edition)

    and this is a thread with EIE examples

    https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...s-EIE-examples

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alive View Post
    according to whom? you?
    Common sense and a ton of reading and comparison

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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

    Best description of functions:
    http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html

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    Kathrine Briggs who formulated the structure from Jung’s work got a lot right but somewhere along the way Isabel Briggs writes that Jung never mentioned the JP process in introverts which is WRONG
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

    Best description of functions:
    http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beautiful sky View Post
    Kathrine Briggs who formulated the structure from Jung’s work got a lot right but somewhere along the way Isabel Briggs writes that Jung never mentioned the JP process in introverts which is WRONG
    I know I lead with dominant Si in MBTI, which is an introverted perceiving function. So would you say dominant Si followed by feeling is ISFP?

    What I mean is, in MBTI, do you define ISFP and INFP as leading with Si and Ni (respectively), while INFJ and ISFJ both lead with Fi?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kuno View Post
    I know I lead with dominant Si in MBTI, which is an introverted perceiving function. So would you say dominant Si followed by feeling is ISFP?

    What I mean is, in MBTI, do you define ISFP and INFP as leading with Si and Ni (respectively), while INFJ and ISFJ both lead with Fi?
    Yes
    Even in mbti if you lead with Si you are ISFP
    However mbti descriptions are mixed up as to make Si seem more Fi

    Look at this site mbti is by the four letter system. This is because they don’t have the functions correctly defined

    MBTI reports tell you your preference for each of four pairs:

    “Extraversion or Introversion E or I
    Sensing or Intuition S or N
    Thinking or Feeling T or F
    Judging or Perceiving J or P”

    https://www.myersbriggs.org/my-mbti-...-mbti-results/
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

    Best description of functions:
    http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by kuno View Post
    I know I lead with dominant Si in MBTI, which is an introverted perceiving function. So would you say dominant Si followed by feeling is ISFP?

    What I mean is, in MBTI, do you define ISFP and INFP as leading with Si and Ni (respectively), while INFJ and ISFJ both lead with Fi?
    Yes I do
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

    Best description of functions:
    http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html

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    It's wonderful how much content there is for INFJs

    I have a close EII friend who's a sweetheart; she's disabled and doesn't get out much, so she doesn't have friends besides me. It doesn't help that some people find her a bit disagreeable because she can be stubborn and outspoken about her values, regardless of how such ethics land with other people around her. But I admire her for this; I'm nowhere as outspoken as her as I value how the room feels too much.

    Her gifts are very particular. They're usually specific things she loves and hopes I will love, too, or drawings that she creates for me with a lot of care (I have one of her drawings hanging on my wall). She often asks me for help in fleshing out the aesthetics of her drawings, and we create a lot of beautiful arts and crafts together.

    We sometimes have deep discussions about things and we always make sure to respect each other's viewpoints. And we both love children's movies, haha.

    I always love to visit her. Her mother is great, too; she is a very sweet though anxious ESI, and she always loves to make me food.
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