Personal Interpretations of Various Types, Including My Dual the SEE
The information that was here wasn't useful for typing purposes. I made assumptions that information on personality-database was true, but ultimately it was probably horribly wrong.
There are a few observations I've made through my life:
-I get along well with my likely SLI dad.
-I historically haven't gotten along with my mom. I think that she might've been an unhealthy or stressed ILE.
-My dad and my mom don't understand each other well and tend to argue. Sometimes I have to translate what they're saying to each other. This isn't due to attitudinal psyche (they should be attitudinal psyche duals).
-I have gotten along well with a friend that I suspect is an LII, but we don't always have the same views, especially when it comes to religion. I suspect that she's religious because she's a 2E and 3L type in attitudinal psyche.
I've also speculated that the following characters that I've historically liked are the following types based on their actions:
-Sly Cooper: SEE
-Frank Castle (Punisher Max): LSI
-Doom Guy (2016): SLE
-Batman (BTAS): ILI
-Mr. Freeze (BTAS): LII
-Tyrion Lannister (Game of Thrones): ILE
I have no idea whether I liked these characters due to socionics factors. They all seemed like cool people.
My advice is the following:
-When you pursue a partner based on socionics relations, look at the evidence that shows that they are that type. If you can face read them with good accuracy (you've tested it, and you've learned a method that is reliable), then that might be a valid method. Otherwise, decide what personality type they are based on their personality characteristics.
-Both Sly Cooper and Frank Castle played major roles in my life. I think that Sly Cooper was at least a good influence on me, and might've given me some confidence in video games. Frank Castle probably shaped my views on revenge.
-I don't think that I've ever met an SEE in real life.
Edit: Batman from BTAS might be LSI. He's worried about possibilities.
Edit 2: Frank Castle might not be an LSI. He seems constructivist and farsighted.
Edit 3: I think that my dad is an LSI, and that my mom might be a SEI.
Edit 4: My mom seems to have Aristocratic characteristics, but she also generally seems to value Fe and Si. She likes positive and happy atmospheres, and she prioritizes health. I think I might just be misunderstanding the Aristocratic dichotomy.
Edit 5: My mom defines things by groups. I take a person's personal characteristics into account, and usually give them a chance to show that they're not like the majority of the group (or generally assume that they don't have the same characteristics based on what I assume is attitude).
I reread the Socionics Intertype Relations, and I think that I historically seemed to fit the following relationships with my family:
-Dad: Super-Ego. I think we both seem to mutually listen to each other's advice.
-Mom: Potentially Beneficiary. I tend not to listen to her advice on Si topics.
I'm not sure why I seem to have characteristics that match Sociotype's ILI description. I also thought that I seemed to match the ILI dichotomies, especially the irrational dichotomy. I'm wary about updating my type to say EII because I'm not sure if there's something missing, or if I'm misunderstanding something. EII, however, makes sense considering my interactions with this site and some of its people, as well as what seems to be a lack of confidence in my logic. I'll update my type to say "EII/ILI".
Edit 6: I don't seem to have psychological pressure over my mom. I'm not sure if this indicates that we have a different ITR, or if it's just due to life circumstance.
Our attitude towards topics is fairly different. She likes to talk about TV dramas and ethics. I tend not to understand her viewpoints very well. I would generally not say that our relationship has a spiritual feeling.
Last edited by Clarke; 10-22-2022 at 07:05 PM.
I don’t know about btas but for me Batman is always what you call LSI stereotype
Sly Cooper look like SLE C more than SEE
LSI makes sense for BTAS Batman. I would say that Sly is more ethical than logical though. He looks at the world through a lens of ethics. I also don't think that Sly matches Fi vulnerable/PoLR.
Edit: Something doesn't make sense about LSI Batman. He seems bad at understanding his internal state. If anything, he almost seems like Si vulnerable. What if Batman is actually an EIE?
Batman accumulates a large body of facts like what I think would be a Te dominant, but he always seems to try to steer the emotional atmosphere towards seriousness. He's also very aware of how to portray himself emotionally in order to accomplish his goals (see his behavior as Bruce Wayne).
He also seems Fe vulnerable I guess. He doesn't like to convey his passions. Although he also can pretend to have passions.
Edit 2: I think that my own perceptions on what characters are likely to be might be dependent on whether they're going through psychological stress. I've historically thought that the Punisher is an ISTP (which so far seems equivalent to a LSI), but right now I'm convinced that he's just a psychologically stressed LSE. Maybe Batman appears to be an EIE to me because he's also psychologically stressed.
Edit 3: In Justice League 2001, Batman actually shows signs of having Fi suggestive. He interacts with Wonder Woman (Diana) by sheepishly expressing his emotions. Considering this, his Si vulnerable characteristics (Alfred criticizes them), and his success at running Wayne Tech, I think that Batman is actually a LIE.
I still view the Punisher as a possible LSE, considering that his dichotomies in Punisher Max seem to be different from the LSI and he seems to have a need to acquire factual information in The Platoon. I may be misinterpreting the dichotomies though.
Edit 4: Frank Castle might be a psychologically stressed ISTP in MBTI because he seems to fit Fi demon. He also might be an LSI who has constructivist and farsighted characteristics because he's psychologically stressed.
Last edited by Clarke; 10-15-2022 at 03:34 AM.
My current thought is that when it comes to typing people, it might help to try to use the descriptions for cognitive function positions to classify them. You could do this by observing their interactions with the environment, or through their interactions with other people.
Think about a character that might be an EII. If you know a different character is an LSE through other methods, then according to some resources, you could say that the character should value people who like clear, unambiguous communication when it comes to relationships (that would be Fi suggestive). If the EII character doesn't make the status of their relationships clear (especially with that LSE), then that might mean that the character doesn't have something that complements Fi suggestive. That could mean that the character isn't an EII.
I'm not really sure how other typing systems would factor into this (other typing systems have their own sets of compatibilities). I think that certain systems, like Enneagram, could affect the cognitive functions that someone appears to have. For example, I think that Enneagram 8's probably would be more likely to look like they have Se. I think that the other systems might not necessarily affect how they present cognitive function related information though. It seems like, for example, Fi-Te types would like clear communication, while Ti-Fe types would like hinting.
I really have limited experience with typing, and I've never really been able or willing to sufficiently test my guesses or my theories. I'm sort of assuming that various Socionics theories are correct, and that my understanding of them is correct as well.
I used Sociotype as a resource for typing, especially their information about cognitive function positions.
If Batman is Gamma NT, he would never bother to create the Batman image to bring fear to the criminal. He's already rich, just need to earn more money, then slowly kick all the people in the goverment who oppose him, taking control over the city. Then he can shape the city in his idea by his economic power, and in an economical way. That's what Gamma NT do.
Originally Posted by Clarke
That's why Gamma NT are rarely being as main character. They are boring that's way.
I think Batman - Diana feel more like LSI - EIE relationship. Making Ti lead express emotions more is Fe lead job.
Batman has the "No kill" rule. The reason when you did something like killing you slowly become no different from the criminals, you'll be corrupted blah blah is some Ti logic + Ne polr, no other posibilities are allow. Both LIE and ILI are dynamic type, they are opportunist whose would not follow hardcode rule like that.
Consider that Batman has paranoia that he's not ethical, and puts alot of faith in the system. What if he doesn't kick out the people in government because he sees that as an unethical thing to do? What if Batman somehow has a paranoia or puts alot of value into some kind of ethics?
Originally Posted by Renna
Batman has a pretty good usage of Fe. He understands the social rules that society operates on. What I don't know is whether he values that. I generally don't think so because it seems more likely that Batman values having a strong code of ethics rather than being social. Batman doesn't have a desire to have fun and let loose.
I think that Batman might be a LIE/ENTJ in either shadow mode (this is why some voters on personality-database perceive him as an LII) or typical psychological stress (this is why he focuses so much on ethics, and therefore appears to be kind of like an ESI). He appears to be a LSI because he has LII qualities (Ti leading) and ESI qualities (Se creative). Somehow, he seems to value personal ethics, and has paranoia about societal ethics.
I generally don't think that all Gamma NT's are highly pragmatic or efficient. I'm generally more of an artist. Despite this, my relationships with other people, my romance style, in most cases how I fit the cognitive functions positions (their characteristics), and mostly the dichotomies indicate that I have to be an ILI. I also fit the description for ILI. I know that the other people are likely the types that I think they are because they also fit the correct cognitive function positions.
Edit: In a way, I think Batman is a sort of psuedo-aggressor. He makes the first move in alot of cases, but not really the cases that actually matter to him. Consider that he was sheepish when it came to Diana, and didn't seem to have confidence in his ability to woo her.
Edit 2: I just don't think that Batman is aristocratic. He doesn't even seem to sort criminals into a category, he sees them as individuals who could change and become good people. He consorts with criminals pretty often as well (see Catwoman). Compare him to someone like the Punisher, who is clearly aristocratic.
An interesting note is that Garth Ennis seemed to perceive Batman as being weak compared to the Punisher. I kind of wonder if he saw victim qualities in Batman. This isn't really a support for my conclusion, as maybe a psychologically stressed LSI could appear to be similar to an EIE (which is a victim).
Edit 3: So Batman seems to have a sort of Look-a-like or business relationship with Superman. They seem to have a similar understanding of things, and it seems like they adopt each others' tactics in some episodes. If Superman is an ESI, then this means that Batman could be an LSI.
I think that this would imply that the Flash isn't a SEE. Their relationship doesn't seem to show supervision characteristics.
Edit 4: if Batman doesn't want to be like the criminals, then he might be classifying them as a group. It's hard to tell because he also seems to view the criminals themselves as individuals. Maybe he judges the criminals as criminals first, and people with characteristics second.
An interesting point is that Batman seems to differentiate between a good criminal and a bad criminal (see his attitude towards people like Catwoman). Compare with the Punisher, who doesn't differentiate between the two greatly. Batman understands that individual characteristics are important, and sometimes seems to prioritize those over their actual grouping (he likes Catwoman, and he seems to occasionally be pretty good friends with Joker, who is technically at least an attempted murderer). The Punisher, on the other hand, prioritizes the grouping over the individual character (he doesn't care what someone was, just that they violate his code of ethics).
Edit 5: Sometimes, I think that Batman might be an ILI. But he works hard, which doesn't seem like it would fit an ILI. I didn't even work hard when I was apparently psychologically stressed, so that doesn't fit my personal experience either.
Edit 6: Batman seems like he's haunted by his memories, and generally, it seems like he's not actually that bad at Si. He notices details in the environment, and I don't think that he eats anything unhealthy. He also seems to value Alfred, who seems to use Si.
Maybe Batman is just a hard working ILI. I just don't remember if his presentation to the world ever seemed that robotic. It seemed like he understood social rules.
Batman generally seems rational to me. He likes to stick to plans. But he also seems more tactical. He seems to set methods. Maybe LSI is actually likely.
Last edited by Clarke; 10-19-2022 at 05:53 PM.
"Holy anal orgasms Batman, you're too busy fucking me in the ass when you should be out there fucking up criminals!" Robin said as the Dark Knight deeply seeded his young male hole.
"Fuck why does your posterior turn me on so much, I should like women. Men should like women" Batman said somberly as he slipped under the covers.
"Aw don't be that way big guy" Robin said affectionately. "And you still do like women. I'm gay but you're more bisexual. It's all okay and beautiful."
Batman rolled his eyes at Robin's annoying SJW-ness. But he did have a soft spot for the younger man. While getting dressed Batman said "I'll get Alfred to make us something."
"You didn't listen to me" Robin said in a teasing voice.
"Mmhm?" Batman grunted man-ishly as he pulled up his pants and did up his belt.
"About going after criminals. It's all over the paper. Joker is loose. And Scarecrow and Poison Ivy and Mr. Freeze and the Ventriloquist and and and...." Robin held up the Daily Planet paper for Batman to read. Batman just kind of glanced over at it with a grim indifference.
"Thank god for feel good liberal politics, eh. We think it's okay to give them chance after chance. Even when they always prove they don't deserve it or earn it" Batman said indignantly.
"I heard there was a forum online kinda like that. Called 16types info or something?"
Batman shook his head. He had finished getting dressed. "Never heard of it. And sad to say, but I mostly agree with the city's policies. They are criminals but they're also mentally ill. Fighting them by becoming them is not the way."
"So you capture 'em, they get sent to Arkham Asylum again, they escape again - and the cycle just keeps repeating itself? Again?" Robin said.
"And the sun rises and sets every day, and you still eat my ass every night" Batman said with a devilish grin.
"Don't remind me" Robin said playfully, and he then threw a pillow at Batman. "But back to crime, I don't know- I just think something more needs to be done about it. What are we gonna do this time. The same ol same ol?" the Boy Wonder, wondered.
Batman suddenly sat down and put his face in his palms. After awhile, he slowly raised his head again. "... I'm tired, Robin. I'm too old and tired of it all and there is too many of them like you said. I want to retire, and just be with you. Maybe we should go public...." Batman seemed to grab Robin's hand, but then pulled away. "Nah, that's ridiculous. It turns me on more when you're my dirty little secret and everybody still thinks I'm 100% straight."
"Ah Bruce, just when I think you're improving in the relationship you always do this! Well I'm tired of it too. Tired of you and your apathy! Something needs to be done about those criminals. And fuck them playing victim with the 'I'm just insane' crap. They're just saying that stuff to get away with being bank robbers and bullies and assholes and miscreants! Why Gee Golly Batman, if you don't do anything about them- I'm going to do something about them myself!"
Robin them dramatically left the scene for awhile. He came back, wearing something more darker and much more masculine.
"Say good-bye to sweet Robin, and say hello to the Eagle!" Robin said. "I am finally going to do something about Gotham's crime problems. The Crows are hopeless, the official authorities are hopeless, you're hopeless. The citizens themselves are hopeless, and I want to be the one that returns hope in them. Somebody has to stand up to these lunatics. It's not cool to be a bad guy and it will never will be! The EAGLE is gonna send them to real adult prison where they belong and where it will be much harder for them to escape! No more hand holding them in Arkyum Asylum!" The Eagle said triumphantly.
"You'll never be able to do it without my help" Batman said. "They'll kill you way before you could finish your little speech there."
"Yeah, that's kinda what I was hoping for" Robin/The Eagle said. "Come on Batman. Let's show those evil-doers that crime does not pay!"
Last edited by Shazaam; 10-17-2022 at 08:13 PM.
I think that Batman is a Beta ST in this. He seems aristocratic. I would guess LSI.
Originally Posted by Shazaam
Edit: I read the first line as "you're too busy fucking me in the ass when you should be out there fucking criminals!" and got a very interesting mental image. I mean I guess there's speculation about him and the Joker. And he did always seem to have alot of sympathy for Mr. Freeze.
Last edited by Clarke; 10-17-2022 at 06:39 PM.