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    Default So, here comes the confusion (DCNH subtype)

    Alright, I'm just here to try or give it a chance for being "helped" (I rarely ask even for once) or rather assisted since I've been wondering a sort of things. First of all, I've read the subtypes description for DCNH, specifically ILI since, yeah, that's what I do identify myself in Socionics currently. But here, in DCNH subtyping-wise, I somewhat can see myself in both ILI-Harmonizing and ILI-Normalizing. And if you really want to "help", here are the key traits of myself from what I've noticed (but I definitely might be biased since this is based on my observation):

    - I tend to get things done when underling (Yeah, I'm kind of everyone's sidekick).
    - I tend to be both thorough and relaxed when doing my job.
    - I kind of have a need in teaching others but also gathering information.
    - I never doubt the process of something in the face of any procedure, but I also doubt that everything will be all right.
    - I kind of have trouble getting things done, and leave it halfway done to finish other things that seem easier to solve.

    Okay, that's all and let me know your opinions on replies below.
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    Honestly that's really not enough to give you an answer, you might want to share some video with a G student to get rid of your doubts.
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    I found an article on Tumblr about how to find DCNH Subtype, I reformulated it as a complete test :

    ___________________________

    1- Are you ( by behaviours ) :


    Extroverted (Cont)
    Introvert (Dis)
    ________

    2- Are you ( by behaviours ) :


    Orderly (Ter).
    Messy (In)
    ________

    3- Do you have Pe behaviours in your daily life ? Pe= Ne, Se

    Yes ( Ig )
    No ( Conn )
    ___________________________


    Results:

     
    Cont + Ter + Conn : Dominant subtype

    Cont + In + Ig : Creative subtype

    Dis + Ter + Ig : Normalizing subtype

    Dis + In + Conn : Harmonizing subtype


    Source:
    https://demonwindu.tumblr.com/post/6...-dcnh-subtypes


    Note : This applies to the main Subtype not the second one

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    Well a problem is that you don't really mention all that many points and some of them might be just related to the base type like: "I kind of have trouble getting things done, and leave it halfway done to finish other things that seem easier to solve. - that's irrationality. You have to look at the three dichotomies and decide what fits you best. the first one is Contact/Distant, which describes how you behave in dangerous or unknown situations. Dominant subtypes act in a very bold manner here while creative subtypes usually try to find alternatives or deal with something in an unusual way due to accentuated Ne. Distant subtypes try to avoid a potential threat, try to distance themselves from a dangerous situation, since they have accentuated introverted functions and underdeveloped Se. Contact types are generally very confrontational. second dichotomy is initiating and terminating. the tricky thing here is that this somewhat related to the dichotomy rationality/irrationality, which means that depending on which type you have, you might relate to both things. rationality means that you have a stable mood for a long time (which can be good or bad) and it doesn't affect your productivity, while irrational types have many mood swings and their productivity can change several times throughout the day, which can make them very productive when they have a higher mood, but also very lazy when their mood is on the decline. initiating relates to irrationality because initiating subtypes find it easy to start new things but they struggle a lot with completion, while terminating subtypes can force themselves to finish what they have started. (I personally think this relates more to what you find really interesting and important or something you absolutely have to do). terminating irrationals will then complete something (either because they wnat to do it, or because society pressures them to do something, while initiating subtypes can abandon things regardless of the consequences). the third dichotomy describes how sensible you are towards your environment. D and H subs adapt their behaviour in response to how the environment reacts and C and N can completely ignore feedbacks and opinions of their environment and not change their behaviour in response to how other people act.
    my ideas about socionics:

    https://soziotypen.de/thoughts-on-socionics/

    the section will be updated ever other month or so.

    this is a VI thread with IEI examples

    https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...-(IEI-edition)

    and this is a thread with EIE examples

    https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...s-EIE-examples

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alive View Post
    Well a problem is that you don't really mention all that many points and some of them might be just related to the base type like: "I kind of have trouble getting things done, and leave it halfway done to finish other things that seem easier to solve. - that's irrationality. You have to look at the three dichotomies and decide what fits you best. the first one is Contact/Distant, which describes how you behave in dangerous or unknown situations. Dominant subtypes act in a very bold manner here while creative subtypes usually try to find alternatives or deal with something in an unusual way due to accentuated Ne. Distant subtypes try to avoid a potential threat, try to distance themselves from a dangerous situation, since they have accentuated introverted functions and underdeveloped Se. Contact types are generally very confrontational. second dichotomy is initiating and terminating. the tricky thing here is that this somewhat related to the dichotomy rationality/irrationality, which means that depending on which type you have, you might relate to both things. rationality means that you have a stable mood for a long time (which can be good or bad) and it doesn't affect your productivity, while irrational types have many mood swings and their productivity can change several times throughout the day, which can make them very productive when they have a higher mood, but also very lazy when their mood is on the decline. initiating relates to irrationality because initiating subtypes find it easy to start new things but they struggle a lot with completion, while terminating subtypes can force themselves to finish what they have started. (I personally think this relates more to what you find really interesting and important or something you absolutely have to do). terminating irrationals will then complete something (either because they wnat to do it, or because society pressures them to do something, while initiating subtypes can abandon things regardless of the consequences). the third dichotomy describes how sensible you are towards your environment. D and H subs adapt their behaviour in response to how the environment reacts and C and N can completely ignore feedbacks and opinions of their environment and not change their behaviour in response to how other people act.
    That's great and useful

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    If it's between NH and HN, I'd say NH (based on your post.

    Edit: Maybe not. Give more info? What do you identify more as, a "Buddy" like FreelancePoliceman, or an "Especialist" like Missmessy? Do you use N skills to suit your H agenda, or H skills to suit your N agenda?
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    If it's between finding your 'main' subtype it can be a bit tricky, but remember that G's more developed DCNH theory is that people will move between them in a priority that 'suits them'. So H-types can be D-secondary, C-secondary and N-secondary, but they'll still utilize the other ones when the situation demands it.

    Varlawend's blog has some of the articles with some further elaboration on the system on their blog here: DCNH System (varlawend.blogspot.com)

    I understand you probably already know all this anyway, but I'd recommend taking a gander at some of the archives anyway, there's some useful stuff in there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RBRS View Post
    Honestly that's really not enough to give you an answer, you might want to share some video with a G student to get rid of your doubts.
    I'd rather not.
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    1. Introvert.
    2. Sort of both.
    3. No.

    Still between N/H, but thank you.
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    Honestly, this is very useful, but from your explanation, I would rather say that I don't really prefer to change my behaviour and remain stable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lavos View Post
    If it's between NH and HN, I'd say NH (based on your post.

    Edit: Maybe not. Give more info? What do you identify more as, a "Buddy" like FreelancePoliceman, or an "Especialist" like Missmessy? Do you use N skills to suit your H agenda, or H skills to suit your N agenda?
    Probably Especialist, I'm not really a Buddy kind of a person.
    Also, about the second question, don't you mean that primary subtype is a talent to utilize or elaborate the creativity of your secondary subtype?
    Yet if that's so, then it's the former.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Manatroid92 View Post
    If it's between finding your 'main' subtype it can be a bit tricky, but remember that G's more developed DCNH theory is that people will move between them in a priority that 'suits them'. So H-types can be D-secondary, C-secondary and N-secondary, but they'll still utilize the other ones when the situation demands it.

    Varlawend's blog has some of the articles with some further elaboration on the system on their blog here: DCNH System (varlawend.blogspot.com)

    I understand you probably already know all this anyway, but I'd recommend taking a gander at some of the archives anyway, there's some useful stuff in there.

    I already am aware about all of these, but nevertheless, I appreciate your help this time.
    Hence then, by the description alone, ILI-N and H are the most accurate of my behaviour. So, I went to overthink it again.
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