DCNH Subtypes Nicknames

[lavos]

Something I came up while I'm trying to understand DCNH better.

HH - Peacemaker
HC - Dreamer
HD - Helper
HN - Especialist

CC - Tornado
CD - Rebel Leader
CH - Wizard
CN - Explorer

DD - Director
DC - Maverick
DH - Bishop
DN - Bureaucrat

NN - Maintainer
NC - Free Spirit
NH - Buddy
ND - King




Feel free to craft your own or comment on these.

EDIT:

Descriptions (first draft):


HH - Peacemaker
The Peacemaker is an individual whose greatest motivation is to keep peace in their environment. They might seem pushovers, or lost in their world. Any sort of conflict tends to make them uneasy, causing them internal dissonance, which drives them to either attempt to end it by peaceful means, or dissociate completely from it. Most often they just fade into the background. In the name of peace, they might even become an uncontested head honcho. Might have a "hidden strength".

Example: Gon (Hunter X Hunter)


HC - Dreamer
The Dreamer is the Harmonizer who typically has the best imagination. This type often is a skilled writer, or fantasist in general. Also likes to inhabit and dabble in worlds of fantasy, greatly for the effect of avoiding reality.

Example: Sandman (The Sandman)


HD - Helper
This type of Harmonizer is very worldly-like. Often a very good friend, who will support and help those of his/her friends who are in need, without question. Often somewhat ambitious, they want to leave their mark on the world. Might have a rebellious streak.

Example: Marion (Indiana Jones: Raiders of the Lost Ark)


HN - Especialist
This is the Harmonizer that most likely you can find performing a job in a very thought-out manner. Very often experts or very skilled in their area of action. Careful in all their endeavours, and thrive when they can put their resourcefulness and attention to the service of others.

Example: Jasmine (Aladdin)


CC - Tornado
The Tornado, as the name suggests, is often an individual who gives the impression of being a bit of a chaotic influence. Wherever they set foot to, they tend to leave the area a disaster. They are very hard to control (which is common to all Creatives, but these are probably the hardest). Somewhat fickle, they're not likely to be able to stick to one goal for very long, resulting in underachievement. Often look wild and disheveled.

Example: Haruko (FLCL)


CD - Rebel Leader
This type is the most likely to stage a rebellion, or come up with some very innovative or unique way of tackling some endeavor. They typically have great perception and awareness. Can cause great trouble with ease. It's almost as if they were guided by the spirit of chaos itself. The Liberator, or Destroyer.

Example: The Joker (Batman The Dark Knight version)


CH - Wizard
These individuals often possess great wisdom. They often take a more secondary role, such as an advisor to a D type. Have great ability to bring complicated situations to a satisfactory end.

Example: Merlin (Excalibur), Obi-Wan Kenobi (Star Wars)


CN - Explorer
These types are often very intelligent. They turn their very good problem solving abilities to the real world, which they have great drive to discover, make sense of, and possibly "fix". Like other C types, require being left to their own devices greatly.

Example: The Little Prince (The Little Prince), Peter Venkman (Ghostbusters)


DD - Director
These people have an innate drive to direct and manage all areas of life (but most usually their work). Everything is systematized and must be arranged in a proper manner. Might give the impression of being robotic.

Example: Egon Spengler (Ghostbusters)


DC - Maverick
A very independent individual, who typically has world-skill, and inventiveness, to launch themselves at life and come on top of almost any situation. Not likely to be a part of an organization, but rather act on their own

Example: Indiana Jones


DH - Bishop
This type is very likely to be a behind-the-scenes leader. Also very likely to thrive on having a great number of contacts, from which they often require services or assistance. A "people-person", they also have great drive and ability to realize their ambitions

Example: Lamont Cranston(The Shadow)


DN - Bureaucrat
A skilled individual who will often try to be part of some organization. Very likely to hold nationalist sentiments, and deeply dislike divergence.

James Bond (Daniel Craig Portrayal)


NN - Maintainer
Your average goverment employee. Someone who will do their "job"without any hassle. Follows the rules, and intends for everyone to follow them too and be a "normal person".

Example: Betting House Woman (Snatch)


NC - Free Spirit
This type is basically a very worldly person, concerned with worldly matters, but they bring their own flair to it, in the sense that they go about life, in their own unique way. They do not like being told what to do, and might one day "be here", and the next "be there".

Example: The Motorcycle Boy (Rumble Fish)


NH - Buddy
The Maverick's sidekick. Not to underplay their abilty, they often have great resourcefulness and great judgment. May have a futuristic mindset. Do not like to shine too much on their own.

Example: Watson (Sherlock Holmes)


ND - King
This type can be best described a the "king of their own world". Very likely to have OCD characteristics. Also very likely to engage in bureaucracy, but they will always try to bring their own terms to everything.

Example: Melvin Udall (As Good As It Gets)

[Squirrel]

Nice

[Squirrel]

But why is NC a free spirit? , won't CH be more suitable for this name?

[Metaphor]

DD - Relentless Autocrat
DC - Resourceful Director
DN - Legacy Leader
DH - Sacrificial Champion
CD - Maverick Pioneer
CC - Unconstrained Generator
CN - Exploratory Guide
CH - Collaborative Innovator
ND - Responsible Guardian
NC - Perfecting Experimenter
NN - Strict Adherent
NH - Adjusting Stabilizer
HD - Diplomatic Resolver
HC - Unconventional Idealist
HN - Expert Consultant
HH - Receptive Dreamer

https://varlawend.blogspot.com/2020/...-subtypes.html

[lavos]

Oh, I didn't know the subtype could repeat on both levels
Those are pretty good. Congratulations @Varlawend

This updated article is pretty good too https://varlawend.blogspot.com/2022/...-2022.html?m=1

However I have two qualms about it:

1. Why the mention that there is more info but that it is "private"? Why not simply release everything to the public?

2. I'm not sure there is a four/full DCNH ordering. So far what I've observed are only two, sort of a base and a creative. The other two modes are almost never used, however, you can completely change the DCNH type. Example in my case: I am CN, but in what I've termed "crappy mode" I turn NH. When I'm NH I'm not C at all, and when I'm CN I'm not H at all (I think).

Disclaimer: I've termed it "crappy mode" because when I'm being that, I feel crappy and not really myself, not because NH's are crappy.

I have some more "private" info I'm apprehending, but will release when you reply @Varlawend).

[lavos]

I'm starting to see that yes, there are some people where it repeats. Going to add my names to the first post for the repeating options.

[lavos]

But why is NC a free spirit? , won't CH be more suitable for this name?

From what I've observed in people I've typed those DCNH. Some of the names I came up by projecting (since I do not have yet enough data) others from observing people of those types.

More explanation: CH people live in the world of their imagination much like HC's. However, CH's have actual ability to make their dreams a reality, so that I why I termed them "Wizard" (Merlin the Wizard from the Excalibur movie is probably a CH). They do magic. On the other hand, NC's are normal people (N) that go about the world in a creative fashion. But everything in a terrenal way seeming.

[Varlawend]

Oh, I didn't know the subtype could repeat on both levels
Those are pretty good. Congratulations @Varlawend

This updated article is pretty good too https://varlawend.blogspot.com/2022/...-2022.html?m=1

However I have two qualms about it:

1. Why the mention that there is more info but that it is "private"? Why not simply release everything to the public?

2. I'm not sure there is a four/full DCNH ordering. So far what I've observed are only two, sort of a base and a creative. The other two modes are almost never used, however, you can completely change the DCNH type. Example in my case: I am CN, but in what I've termed "crappy mode" I turn NH. When I'm NH I'm not C at all, and when I'm CN I'm not H at all (I think).

Disclaimer: I've termed it "crappy mode" because when I'm being that, I feel crappy and not really myself, not because NH's are crappy.

I have some more "private" info I'm apprehending, but will release when you reply @Varlawend).

About privacy: when you associate with an organization, other people in that organization have their own reasons for making things private. What makes you think it is even my choice what is public or private? Imagine that you are involved in an organization which teaches classes for money, that trusts you, and you were just to share all the proprietary information you learned to the public. Personally, I don't love that business model either; it's too static for my taste, so I have some sympathy for you (as for my own ideas, I generally release them to the public as soon as they are ready and I am able to, and I don't generally like keeping things to myself). But discretion is also an important quality and lack of it can be really disrespectful to people who trust you with their information. That is why I don't just share all information that I know publicly, when I have been requested not to; that is how troublemakers and busybodies behave.

As for four DCNH ordering, you may believe what you wish about it. The reason I would say we have all 4 DCNH subtypes is because we have all 8 functions that make them up, so it seems absurd to me that there is any subtype which we actually don't have at all. However, I also think ordering is only part of how DCNH works and this priority order is not a complete descriptions of the quality and evolution of the subtypes within us. Basically I just see it as an angle on the subject. And also I'd say we can only be one subtype at a time anyways, at least with respect to a given thing or situation, because to be more than one subtype at the same moment or with respect to the same thing seems contradictory (unless one is talking about a priority ordering which stratifies the relationships of the subtypes with respect to their subject matter or situation). So, when you say you act in an NH way and not C while you are doing that, I'd have to believe you.

[lavos]

About privacy: when you associate with an organization,

May I ask, which organization?

As for four DCNH ordering, you may believe what you wish about it. The reason I would say we have all 4 DCNH subtypes is because we have all 8 functions that make them up, so it seems absurd to me that there is any subtype which we actually don't have at all. However, I also think ordering is only part of how DCNH works and this priority order is not a complete descriptions of the quality and evolution of the subtypes within us. Basically I just see it as an angle on the subject. And also I'd say we can only be one subtype at a time anyways, at least with respect to a given thing or situation, because to be more than one subtype at the same moment or with respect to the same thing seems contradictory (unless one is talking about a priority ordering which stratifies the relationships of the subtypes with respect to their subject matter or situation). So, when you say you act in an NH way and not C while you are doing that, I'd have to believe you.

It isn't that way for you? You only have one "mode"?

[Averroes]

How do you figure out your second letter? I’d guess I’m HC

[lavos]

How do you figure out your second letter? I’d guess I’m HC

Imagine one is your dominant and the other is your creative. Then compare with the nicknames in this thread (since we don't have descriptions yet). I probably agree with your assessment

More info: the main one (in your case H) is like the main motivation of the person, while the secondary one (C in your case) is like how they go about realizing the main one.

[Metaphor]

Any type of behavior that satisfies shared group needs can be either primary/secondary. Primary needs are of a concrete, current nature (food, health, shelter, family, intimacy, etc.). Secondary needs are deep, lofty (career, social status, spiritual world, obtaining knowledge, etc.).

Experimentally these subtypes are derived through their internal role within an octal group of identical others.

Dominating in the sphere of primary needs generates a group role of the motivator (psychologists call this the informal leader) [D - primary], while dominating along the axis of secondary needs creates the role of the mover, or the engine (a formal leader) [D - secondary].

Creativeness along the primary axis creates for itself the role of the contactor,
while creativeness along the sphere of secondary needs creates the group role of the innovator.

Normalizing along the primary axis produces role of the conscience of the group,
while normalizing along the secondary creates the role of the coordinator.

And finally, harmonizing along the axis of primary needs leads to the role of the designer, or layout artist who creates a form through managing different aspects, while harmonizing along secondary needs leads to the role of the expert.

https://wikisocion.github.io/content/DCNH.html

[Aquamarine]

I think I'm HH...I don't really know. I don't relate to the specialist thing of HN. So I guess it's either HH or HC

[Varlawend]

May I ask, which organization?

SHS: The School of Humanitarian Socionics. That's where these ideas come from, though I have proposed some of my own and made some tweaks (which believe me, I would never hold back).

It isn't that way for you? You only have one "mode"?

I have all 4 subtypes I'd say, I just think we use one at a time with respect to a given thing, since a subtype involves the use of certain functions, and we can only be in so many functional states at one time. This cycles though, has dynamics and priorities and stratifications, so ultimately many subtypes can get applied to a given thing over time.

[lavos]

SHS: The School of Humanitarian Socionics. That's where these ideas come from, though I have proposed some of my own and made some tweaks (which believe me, I would never hold back)

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I see. I've never been fond of organizations (but respect those who are). I have been invited to join them before, but I always decline. Something about hierarchical structures and monetization doesn't sit well with me (which I guess sounds a bit odd for a LIE, but I don't care). I have come up with some theories and stuff, but what I do is I come and dump them here on the forum.

I have all 4 subtypes I'd say, I just think we use one at a time with respect to a given thing, since a subtype involves the use of certain functions, and we can only be in so many functional states at one time. This cycles though, has dynamics and priorities and stratifications, so ultimately many subtypes can get applied to a given thing over time.

I have some intuitions about this subject (not sure if you might be interested)... I think it's true that everyone has all 4 modes, but I suspect when they are used, it is done in a "primary mode" way. Also, each of the secondary modes is a dual mode (say, HD or NH for example) when they are used. But the one that's most apparent (and even shows in VI a little), and used most of the time is the Main Mode. VI of the person changes when they shift to secondary mode (to the one of the corresponding node)

I'm CN, but I believe I've identified other dual modes in myself. Gulenko said (and I agree) that DCNH is highly dependant on brain neurotransmitters (say, you have lots of dopamine, so you're C, lots of serotonin, you are D, lots of GABA you are H, etc) so if this brain chemistry changes, probably DCNH can change it. Even some important life happening could change it perhaps. Or maybe even at will? Like for example, a nerd who decides he wants to be a jock?

I also suspect the are CX, DX, NX, HX, types. That is, people who can shift or have shifted in the past in their main mode, to each of the four possible secondary modes.

These are the ideas I have at the moment.

[lavos]

Going to bump this for some more info:

Contact (D and C) - Distant (H and N) [extroverted or introverted]
Initial (C and H) - Terminal (D and N) [irrational or rational]
Connecting (D and H) - Ignoring (C and N) [Dynamic or Static]

Using these rules it's sometimes easier to spot your type or another person's, because sometimes one or more of these traits stands out. For example, I can tell Alive might not be Initial nor Ignoring. I would not put myself as example, because either I have MPD or I really have four modes (and I think currently I am shifting/employing the third mode which is HD). But for example Pirouette/Lillith self-types C and it is apparent the contact - initial - ignoring preference, and I agree. Regardless, all people will have the four modes on different priority settings, and will probably employ the others (apart from the main) at least some time in their lives.

ETA: actually, re-reading this post, I notice I'm back to being CN(it is noticeable which subtypes you are from the vibe in which the person expresses themselves), but for periods of time sometimes I seem to shift to other modes.

[lavos]

One trick to ascertain the type of someone too is using the intertype (say, duality, supervision or benefit between the DCNH's) provided you are sure about your subtype. I don't want to turn this into a DCNH battletyping thread, but I've noticed that some "officially typed" people don't line up as expected when I interact with them. For example without naming names; it is not the expected outcome when a C interacting with another supposed C, the latter what does is try to impose upon the first (which would make them D), or sets them back in some way (which would make them N).

[lavos]

Just something I came up with. Depends on the portrayal, but anyway:

The Three Musketeers:

Atos- D
Portos- N
Aramis- H
D'Artagnan- C

[lavos]

Ok, per request, how I think each of the subtypes looks like:

D's: usually have well defined facial features. Usually black haired. Give the impression of being people who "got things handled" or have got their shit together. May talk a lot. Tend to give people orders (sometimes shouting when entranced) and like to tell others what do to. Turn out to be more sensitive (especially to criticism) than what they superficially appear.

H's: Have always a sort of unfocused look in their eyes or sort of dreamy demeanor. Tend to be a bit strange, or seem like they do not fit too well with their environment. Tend to be silent people. Sort of fade into the background but tend to contribute ocasionally with insightful reflections. Turn out to be quite capable/resourceful people.

N's: Appear like a person that is somewhat contained and inclined to live life in a very straightforward manner. Have the appeareance of a "normal person". Seem very grounded in reality. Also sometimes give of an inclination of expecting to follow orders. Sometimes a bit anal-retentive. Tend to be very emotional once you get to know them more deeply.

C's: Usually have a wide brow. Tend to be blonde haired. Give the impression of a person who does not always follow societal norms. Fade a bit into the background like H's, but may expontaneously (and sometimes somewhat abruptly) interject the ongoing activity. Sometimes may give off a vibe of silent "power", ready to outburst at a particular circumstance. May seem an alien or an outsider in some way.

[lavos]

I came up with this:




HH - Peacemaker - NULL
HC - Dreamer - Aquarius
HD - Helper - Libra
HN - Especialist - Gemini


CC - Tornado - NULL
CD - Inventor - Aries
CH - Wizard - Saggitarius
CN - Problem-Solver - Leo


DD - Director - NULL
DC - Leader - Capricorn
DH - Bishop - Taurus
DN - Bureaucrat - Virgo


NN - Maintainer - NULL
NC - Free Spirit - Pisces
NH - Buddy - Cancer
ND - King - Scorpio


Wanted to mention that repeating types (DD, HH, CC, NN), while they exist, they are rare and they tend to be quite inneffectual people.

Suspect they are actually sort of "interim" types while the person develops into what they are supposed to be.

[lavos]

That's okay. I seem to fit both Sagittarius and Leo, and I believe I have been both at different times in the past. Currently(and most of the time) I'm CN though."Wizard-mode"(like I've coined it), I do have it but use it rarely. Then I'm pretty sure that I have NH, HD, and DC as secondary modes (that come from other centers). In other words, when you use a secondary mode from your DCNH priority (in my case it's CNHD) it appears as a two-preference mode always. Then it can be the case that you are a CX or NX for example, wih multiple modes on the main (but all C or N). You could be an NX. But what are you currently? Maybe NH?

[lynn]

Ok, per request, how I think each of the subtypes looks like:

D's: usually have well defined facial features. Usually black haired. Give the impression of being people who "got things handled" or have got their shit together. May talk a lot. Tend to give people orders (sometimes shouting when entranced) and like to tell others what do to. Turn out to be more sensitive (especially to criticism) than what they superficially appear.

H's: Have always a sort of unfocused look in their eyes or sort of dreamy demeanor. Tend to be a bit strange, or seem like they do not fit too well with their environment. Tend to be silent people. Sort of fade into the background but tend to contribute ocasionally with insightful reflections. Turn out to be quite capable/resourceful people.

N's: Appear like a person that is somewhat contained and inclined to live life in a very straightforward manner. Have the appeareance of a "normal person". Seem very grounded in reality. Also sometimes give of an inclination of expecting to follow orders. Sometimes a bit anal-retentive. Tend to be very emotional once you get to know them more deeply.

C's: Usually have a wide brow. Tend to be blonde haired. Give the impression of a person who does not always follow societal norms. Fade a bit into the background like H's, but may expontaneously (and sometimes somewhat abruptly) interject the ongoing activity. Sometimes may give off a vibe of silent "power", ready to outburst at a particular circumstance. May seem an alien or an outsider in some way.

These videos are useful vor VIng. It's unrelated to DCNH and targeted for different purposes, but you can pick out the parts which fit and ignore the rest. The relevant info is usually some time after the intro.

C-subtype:
female: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kd5NlhheDY
male: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSRcAYf-mXM

H-subtype:
female: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CuOwda-YaNs
male: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5dZSoRXarI

D-subtype:
female: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaxIhtHE614
male: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wue3jnlnLE8

N-subtype:
female: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjY2E51_xQo
male: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEA4OXhM6ts

hand shape (T1 = C-subtype, T2 = H-subtype, T3 = D-subtype, T4 = N-subtype):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpsDUf0LNRc

[WinnieW]

@lavos

Ok, I'm aquarius in astrology terms, but HC can fit me as DCNH type. I was very dreamy as child, even nowadays it's not that difficult for me to start daydreaming.

[lavos]

@lavos

Ok, I'm aquarius in astrology terms, but HC can fit me as DCNH type. I was very dreamy as child, even nowadays it's not that difficult for me to start daydreaming.

It's more the energy of the sign (I think). Sometimes the ascendant of moon will be more prominent and you will get that DCNH with higher likehood. Still, if it fits, good.

[lavos]

Alternative nicknames for two types (been testing and observing these and came up with them):

CN - Explorer
CD - Rebel Leader

Which perhaps means DC could better nicknamed as (although I am yet to observe a DC) :

DC - Maverick

[lavos]

RE: Descriptions, improved formatting and added them to the first post.

[seeking it]

Something I came up while I'm trying to understand DCNH better.

HH - Peacemaker
HC - Dreamer
HD - Helper
HN - Especialist

CC - Tornado
CD - Inventor (ver2: Rebel Leader)
CH - Wizard
CN - Problem-Solver (ver2: Explorer)

DD - Director
DC - Leader (ver2: Maverick)
DH - Bishop
DN - Bureaucrat

NN - Maintainer
NC - Free Spirit
NH - Buddy
ND - King




Feel free to craft your own or comment on these.

Is this like the few DISC system variations out there?

One of them says you have one letter for your inside (the real you), and one on display to others. Another one simply allows for mixing two attitudes next to each other.

Anyway I might be DC maverick in your system....

Edit: yeah, damn, reading your descriptions now, DC fits like a glove

[lavos]

Is this like the few DISC system variations out there?

One of them says you have one letter for your inside (the real you), and one on display to others. Another one simply allows for mixing two attitudes next to each other.

Anyway I might be DC maverick in your system....

Edit: yeah, damn, reading your descriptions now, DC fits like a glove

I don't know. I think I intuitively understand it, but can't really explain it. I think I said once that the first letter is analogous to a base function, and the second to a creative. People can mistype even, thinking the second is their first.

Anyway, I might expand these descriptions and bring more examples. Bus as it is it now, I think it's pretty decent.

[lavos]

DH and HD often have great organizational ability.
CH and HC often are wise.
ND and DN often are competent.
CN and NC often are very intelligent.
NH and HN often are skilled.
DC and CD often are very capable.

It is often more varied/useful to be one of these mixture types than a repeating type (Eg. HH). But repeating types can be cool too.

CC is like a force of nature (like lightning for example)
HH is like a flowing river.
DD is the guy that everyone respects their opinion.
NN is reliable.

[lavos]

Your main type rarely changes (the first letter) but the second letter can vary during a person's life.


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[lavos]

D and N - Play along with society
H and C - Go more their own way

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