DCNH Subtypes Nicknames
Something I came up while I'm trying to understand DCNH better.
HH - Peacemaker
HC - Dreamer
HD - Helper
HN - Especialist
CC - Tornado
CD - Inventor
CH - Wizard
CN - Problem-Solver
DD - Director
DC - Leader
DH - Bishop
DN - Bureaucrat
NN - Maintainer
NC - Free Spirit
NH - Buddy
ND - King
Feel free to craft your own or comment on these.
Last edited by lavos; 09-23-2022 at 01:35 AM.
Nice
But why is NC a free spirit? , won't CH be more suitable for this name?
DD - Relentless Autocrat
DC - Resourceful Director
DN - Legacy Leader
DH - Sacrificial Champion
CD - Maverick Pioneer
CC - Unconstrained Generator
CN - Exploratory Guide
CH - Collaborative Innovator
ND - Responsible Guardian
NC - Perfecting Experimenter
NN - Strict Adherent
NH - Adjusting Stabilizer
HD - Diplomatic Resolver
HC - Unconventional Idealist
HN - Expert Consultant
HH - Receptive Dreamer
https://varlawend.blogspot.com/2020/...-subtypes.html
Arthur Schopenhauer (ILI-Ni):
- “A man can be himself only so long as he is alone; and if he does not love solitude, he will not love freedom; for it is only when he is alone that he is really free.”
Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel (ILI-Te):
- "The history of the world is none other than the progress of the consciousness of freedom."
Oh, I didn't know the subtype could repeat on both levels
Those are pretty good. Congratulations @Varlawend
This updated article is pretty good too https://varlawend.blogspot.com/2022/...-2022.html?m=1
However I have two qualms about it:
1. Why the mention that there is more info but that it is "private"? Why not simply release everything to the public?
2. I'm not sure there is a four/full DCNH ordering. So far what I've observed are only two, sort of a base and a creative. The other two modes are almost never used, however, you can completely change the DCNH type. Example in my case: I am CN, but in what I've termed "crappy mode" I turn NH. When I'm NH I'm not C at all, and when I'm CN I'm not H at all (I think).
Disclaimer: I've termed it "crappy mode" because when I'm being that, I feel crappy and not really myself, not because NH's are crappy.
I have some more "private" info I'm apprehending, but will release when you reply @Varlawend).
Last edited by lavos; 09-23-2022 at 01:38 AM.
I'm starting to see that yes, there are some people where it repeats. Going to add my names to the first post for the repeating options.
From what I've observed in people I've typed those DCNH. Some of the names I came up by projecting (since I do not have yet enough data) others from observing people of those types.Originally Posted by Missmessy
More explanation: CH people live in the world of their imagination much like HC's. However, CH's have actual ability to make their dreams a reality, so that I why I termed them "Wizard" (Merlin the Wizard from the Excalibur movie is probably a CH). They do magic. On the other hand, NC's are normal people (N) that go about the world in a creative fashion. But everything in a terrenal way seeming.
Last edited by lavos; 09-23-2022 at 01:25 AM.
About privacy: when you associate with an organization, other people in that organization have their own reasons for making things private. What makes you think it is even my choice what is public or private? Imagine that you are involved in an organization which teaches classes for money, that trusts you, and you were just to share all the proprietary information you learned to the public. Personally, I don't love that business model either; it's too static for my taste, so I have some sympathy for you (as for my own ideas, I generally release them to the public as soon as they are ready and I am able to, and I don't generally like keeping things to myself). But discretion is also an important quality and lack of it can be really disrespectful to people who trust you with their information. That is why I don't just share all information that I know publicly, when I have been requested not to; that is how troublemakers and busybodies behave.
As for four DCNH ordering, you may believe what you wish about it. The reason I would say we have all 4 DCNH subtypes is because we have all 8 functions that make them up, so it seems absurd to me that there is any subtype which we actually don't have at all. However, I also think ordering is only part of how DCNH works and this priority order is not a complete descriptions of the quality and evolution of the subtypes within us. Basically I just see it as an angle on the subject. And also I'd say we can only be one subtype at a time anyways, at least with respect to a given thing or situation, because to be more than one subtype at the same moment or with respect to the same thing seems contradictory (unless one is talking about a priority ordering which stratifies the relationships of the subtypes with respect to their subject matter or situation). So, when you say you act in an NH way and not C while you are doing that, I'd have to believe you.
May I ask, which organization?
It isn't that way for you? You only have one "mode"?As for four DCNH ordering, you may believe what you wish about it. The reason I would say we have all 4 DCNH subtypes is because we have all 8 functions that make them up, so it seems absurd to me that there is any subtype which we actually don't have at all. However, I also think ordering is only part of how DCNH works and this priority order is not a complete descriptions of the quality and evolution of the subtypes within us. Basically I just see it as an angle on the subject. And also I'd say we can only be one subtype at a time anyways, at least with respect to a given thing or situation, because to be more than one subtype at the same moment or with respect to the same thing seems contradictory (unless one is talking about a priority ordering which stratifies the relationships of the subtypes with respect to their subject matter or situation). So, when you say you act in an NH way and not C while you are doing that, I'd have to believe you.
How do you figure out your second letter? I’d guess I’m HC
Imagine one is your dominant and the other is your creative. Then compare with the nicknames in this thread (since we don't have descriptions yet). I probably agree with your assessment
More info: the main one (in your case H) is like the main motivation of the person, while the secondary one (C in your case) is like how they go about realizing the main one.
Any type of behavior that satisfies shared group needs can be either primary/secondary. Primary needs are of a concrete, current nature (food, health, shelter, family, intimacy, etc.). Secondary needs are deep, lofty (career, social status, spiritual world, obtaining knowledge, etc.).
Experimentally these subtypes are derived through their internal role within an octal group of identical others.
Dominating in the sphere of primary needs generates a group role of the motivator (psychologists call this the informal leader) [D - primary], while dominating along the axis of secondary needs creates the role of the mover, or the engine (a formal leader) [D - secondary].
Creativeness along the primary axis creates for itself the role of the contactor,
while creativeness along the sphere of secondary needs creates the group role of the innovator.
Normalizing along the primary axis produces role of the conscience of the group,
while normalizing along the secondary creates the role of the coordinator.
And finally, harmonizing along the axis of primary needs leads to the role of the designer, or layout artist who creates a form through managing different aspects, while harmonizing along secondary needs leads to the role of the expert.
https://wikisocion.github.io/content/DCNH.html
Arthur Schopenhauer (ILI-Ni):
- “A man can be himself only so long as he is alone; and if he does not love solitude, he will not love freedom; for it is only when he is alone that he is really free.”
Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel (ILI-Te):
- "The history of the world is none other than the progress of the consciousness of freedom."
I think I'm HH...I don't really know. I don't relate to the specialist thing of HN. So I guess it's either HH or HC
Chronic "grass is always greener" syndrome
SHS: The School of Humanitarian Socionics. That's where these ideas come from, though I have proposed some of my own and made some tweaks (which believe me, I would never hold back).
I have all 4 subtypes I'd say, I just think we use one at a time with respect to a given thing, since a subtype involves the use of certain functions, and we can only be in so many functional states at one time. This cycles though, has dynamics and priorities and stratifications, so ultimately many subtypes can get applied to a given thing over time.It isn't that way for you? You only have one "mode"?
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I see. I've never been fond of organizations (but respect those who are). I have been invited to join them before, but I always decline. Something about hierarchical structures and monetization doesn't sit well with me (which I guess sounds a bit odd for a LIE, but I don't care). I have come up with some theories and stuff, but what I do is I come and dump them here on the forum.I have some intuitions about this subject (not sure if you might be interested)... I think it's true that everyone has all 4 modes, but I suspect when they are used, it is done in a "primary mode" way. Also, each of the secondary modes is a dual mode (say, HD or NH for example) when they are used. But the one that's most apparent (and even shows in VI a little), and used most of the time is the Main Mode. VI of the person changes when they shift to secondary mode (to the one of the corresponding node)
I have all 4 subtypes I'd say, I just think we use one at a time with respect to a given thing, since a subtype involves the use of certain functions, and we can only be in so many functional states at one time. This cycles though, has dynamics and priorities and stratifications, so ultimately many subtypes can get applied to a given thing over time.
I'm CN, but I believe I've identified other dual modes in myself. DarkAngelFireWolf69 said (and I agree) that DCNH is highly dependant on brain neurotransmitters (say, you have lots of dopamine, so you're C, lots of serotonin, you are D, lots of GABA you are H, etc) so if this brain chemistry changes, probably DCNH can change it. Even some important life happening could change it perhaps. Or maybe even at will? Like for example, a nerd who decides he wants to be a jock?
I also suspect the are CX, DX, NX, HX, types. That is, people who can shift or have shifted in the past in their main mode, to each of the four possible secondary modes.
These are the ideas I have at the moment.
Last edited by lavos; 09-26-2022 at 01:05 AM.
Going to bump this for some more info:
Contact (D and C) - Distant (H and N) [extroverted or introverted]
Initial (C and H) - Terminal (D and N) [irrational or rational]
Connecting (D and H) - Ignoring (C and N) [Dynamic or Static]
Using these rules it's sometimes easier to spot your type or another person's, because sometimes one or more of these traits stands out. For example, I can tell Alive might not be Initial nor Ignoring. I would not put myself as example, because either I have MPD or I really have four modes (and I think currently I am shifting/employing the third mode which is HD). But for example Pirouette/Lillith self-types C and it is apparent the contact - initial - ignoring preference, and I agree. Regardless, all people will have the four modes on different priority settings, and will probably employ the others (apart from the main) at least some time in their lives.
ETA: actually, re-reading this post, I notice I'm back to being CN(it is noticeable which subtypes you are from the vibe in which the person expresses themselves), but for periods of time sometimes I seem to shift to other modes.
One trick to ascertain the type of someone too is using the intertype (say, duality, supervision or benefit between the DCNH's) provided you are sure about your subtype. I don't want to turn this into a DCNH battletyping thread, but I've noticed that some "officially typed" people don't line up as expected when I interact with them. For example without naming names; it is not the expected outcome when a C interacting with another supposed C, the latter what does is try to impose upon the first (which would make them D), or sets them back in some way (which would make them N).
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