Will the left and right wings ever attempt to reconcile?

[ApeironStella]

Evergreen comic

[ouronis]

Evergreen comic

Eh, we've managed it before, with a war.

[ApeironStella]

Eh, we've managed it before, with a war.

By instead establishing a new system that definitely did not have a race related agenda to put black people in prisons, for often little to no concrete reason (or for things a white person would get slap on the wrist for, especially with bribery/social connections) with prison labor not being modern day slavery at this point, as far as it seems to go in the US, at least.

And that's kinda the point- things like that are bound to boil into a war, when one side is against allowing a group their basic human rights, concessions can last only so long.

[ouronis]

By instead establishing a new system that definitely did not have a race related agenda to put black people in prisons, for often little to no concrete reason (or for things a white person would get slap on the wrist for, especially with bribery/social connections) with prison labor not being modern day slavery at this point, as far as it seems to go in the US, at least.

And that's kinda the point- things like that are bound to boil into a war, when one side is against allowing a group their basic human rights, concessions can last only so long.

Yes

[DogOfDanger]

To be clear I'm not interested in cartoonish characterizations of the opposing party, I have very little respect for you partisan clowns

[ApeironStella]

To be clear I'm not interested in cartoonish characterizations of the opposing party, I have very little respect for you partisan clowns

I mean feel free to see it that way, but I genuinely do not care about any two party system's main parties to white knight for either, as both tends to be same with slightly different fonts, at least where I live (which is not US lol)

My point is that, asking for compromise in current antisemitic, homophobic, transphobic climate where people were having neo-nazi rallies with a far-right extremist leader coming to power during that (with as you say, a lot of other countries including the one I live in having far-right figures at lead at the moment/in America's case still recently shifting to someone only slightly left of straight up fascist) is futile best, and asking for people to compromise on their human rights because you'd like to believe they can just put their differences aside when one group wants them dead, or at least be unable to live their lives with full human rights, just because you'd like to believe things that don't affect you should be things others should be able to put aside.

At best it would include essentially winning people over to one side and at worst asserting change by force, and I genuinely do not mean this as in democrat vs republican as I think we are way past simple slightly to the left and slightly to the right politics all over the world at this point for it to be anything useful in discussion to frame things as, at least unless political climate calms down with whether things swinging more left as a response to increasing right wing in power, or said dictator wannabes succeeding further.

[DogOfDanger]

I mean feel free to see it that way, but I genuinely do not care about any two party system's main parties to white knight for either, as both tends to be same with slightly different fonts, at least where I live (which is not US lol)

My point is that, asking for compromise in current antisemitic, homophobic, transphobic climate where people were having neo-nazi rallies with a far-right extremist leader coming to power during that (with as you say, a lot of other countries including the one I live in having far-right figures at lead at the moment/in America's case still recently shifting to someone only slightly left of straight up fascist) is futile best, and asking for people to compromise on their human rights because you'd like to believe they can just put their differences aside when one group wants them dead, or at least be unable to live their lives with full human rights, just because you'd like to believe things that don't affect you should be things others should be able to put aside.

At best it would include essentially winning people over to one side and at worst asserting change by force, and I genuinely do not mean this as in democrat vs republican as I think we are way past simple slightly to the left and slightly to the right politics all over the world at this point for it to be anything useful in discussion to frame things as, at least unless political climate calms down with whether things swinging more left as a response to increasing right wing in power, or said dictator wannabes succeeding further.

The compromise would first require abandoning your asinine ideas. You claim no affinity for a political wing but then you regurgitate line for line all the talking points I've heard from left wing partisan hacks a thousand times. Sorry, I'm not buying it.
Granted you might not be willing to abandon them, but statistically your opinions here are actually quite unpopular in the general public, there is still quite a large segment of society that I think is able / willing - it isn't hard to identify the bad ideas, most of them are pretty self-evident (though perhaps on this forum of mentally ill, mostly worthless autistic rejects this won't be as easy).

I have no more patience or interest in arguing specific political issues with you moral posturing, flag-waving self-absorbed lemmings... It is too much, there's nothing I can say or do that can penetrate. You will just ignore what I say and repeat the same things endlessly, I know that because it has been done before many times.

So what I'm doing instead is encouraging people to distinguish between the partisan hacks and those still capable of independent thought. That's the appropriate way to combat hackery. Part of this means raising the awareness that brainlessness can and does occur in either isle.

You can do this in other threads, that is not what this thread is about or for, get lost.

[ApeironStella]

The compromise would first require abandoning your asinine ideas. You claim no affinity for a political wing but then you regurgitate line for line all the talking points I've heard from left wing partisan hacks a thousand times. Sorry, I'm not buying it.
Granted you might not be willing to abandon them, but statistically your opinions here are actually quite unpopular in the general public, there is still quite a large segment of society that I think is able / willing - it isn't hard to identify the bad ideas, most of them are pretty self-evident (though perhaps on this forum of mentally ill, mostly worthless autistic rejects this won't be as easy).

I have no more patience or interest in arguing specific political issues with you moral posturing, flag-waving self-absorbed lemmings... It is too much, there's nothing I can say or do that can penetrate. You will just ignore what I say and repeat the same things endlessly, I know that because it has been done before many times.
You can do this in other threads, that is not what this thread is about or for, get lost.

I have yet to see you pointing at any facts contradicting anything I was saying, beyond name calling and asserting that it's moral posturing and I'd be the one closed off to hearing other sides, which is very funny coming from the person insisting that I definitely side with any major political party, especially one from a country I'm not even from to discard anything I was saying lol

But hey, if just pointing out that a lot of issues seen as dividing points in politics being about human rights of minority groups gets you that bothered, I hope you have jolly good time jerking off to thinking how by trying to find the middle of the road on issues way past simply being resolved just by talking you're the one being rational and sensible one here <3

[DogOfDanger]

I have yet to see you pointing at any facts contradicting anything I was saying,

You're right, that's because...
a) I have seen this before, there is no getting through to you and I know that
b) your arguments are just a bunch of slogans I have heard a thousand times, I don't even believe you have an original thought
c) you start off the conversation by being disingenuous in claiming you aren't party affiliated - while simultaneously repeating left wing slogans and targeting right wing fascism
d) the premises of your beliefs reject the concept of a shared, objective reality, thus there is actually no point in mentioning facts

I hope you have jolly good time jerking off

Is that what you do all day? Sit around on your family's computer and jerk off while complaining about your oppression?

Carry onward!

[xerx]

Something that I've always wanted to get off my chest: personality traits don't fit neatly into political categories.

I have a strong work ethic but don't see myself as conservative. I believe that people actually enjoy being productive (mostly) and that socialist policies, especially towards education, give people the tools to take personal initiative. UBI could, at least in theory, boost that even more.

Also, liberals can be hasty in declaring some things to be entirely socially constructed. I think that it's important to be cautious in that respect, but I also believe that diversity is fundamentally harmless, and I believe that people shouldn't be ostracized or disrespected for being different.