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    After my understanding of Fi being tainted by the MBTI definition I began to not even consider being ESI until now, when someone told me I sound like I might be one. Here’s some information about me.


    -I have some elements of conservatism. I’m definitely shy talking about my own sexuality and can be kinda judgy i guess? like i can feel intimidated by people who are “cooler” than me for sure.


    -Im very lazy, I just don’t like work. It takes a ton of effort for me to mobilise. I just want a life of constantly lying around, making and eating good food, and travelling lol. I mean everyone does I guess, but yeah I definitely don’t have a work ethic.


    -My main goal whilst socialising is to entertain other people- I can be very loud and try to be funny.


    -Im pretty bossy at home to my younger siblings, and have always had a prominent argumentative streak. Whenever my parents told me what to do I would argue with them excessively, i *hated* it, I’d always argue things weren’t fair. I was also very dramatic and always wanted to be the centre of attention until I got older and shyer. The thing about my bossy-ness is that it’s kind of a sham, I get intimidated and back down very very easily. I wouldn’t ever attempt to exert power over the majority of people, it’s easy to tell a younger sibling what to do but the same doesn’t go for people your own age. I’d be a shitty boss basically, as Id be scared to say no to people.


    -I fear being disliked, I *need* everyone to like me to be honest.


    -I enjoy sensory activities like cooking, and even though i’m very messy excessive clutter bothers me.


    I’m an anxious person so I don’t really take risks.


    -I hated the eduction system as a kid and always dreamed of burning it all down lol. I wished someone braver than me could rebel, so I could follow and unleash all of my fury. I can be quick to notice changes in people, like someone changing their hair or acting differently.

    -I can get aggressive whilst arguing with people about politics. Even though conflict is very anxiety inducing for me, it’s also stimulating and a small part of me enjoys the excitement of it.


    -I have a “soft” energy, according to others. I come across polite,nice, quiet and agreeable. Adults used to love me for my politeness as a kid. I’ve been told I laugh/smile too much- Im definitely expressive and can’t hide my feelings well. On the flip side I hate being perceived as nice, to me that implies weakness. I tend to not be overly affectionate or showy in relationships as I don’t like people thinking they have power over my feelings. Even though I’m very agreeable and nice on the surface, my loudness leads to me sometimes being a “leader” in social groups - even though it feels draining and like a performance.


    -A lot of my time in the present is wasted by daydreaming about my personal ideal future life.


    -I daydream of having some sort of power, when I got bullied my coping mechanism was to imagine myself in the future with a lot more power than the people who were mean to me like “I’ll be better than you guys one day”. I rarely confronted my bullies, when I did attempt to it took a lot of bravery and intense anxiety.


    -My opinions are almost completely influenced by society, I even feel guilty or wrong if my opinion differs from the majority. That being said, some of my opinions are very strongly and passionately held and if people don’t agree with me I view it as a betrayal of the group at times, like “you’re either with us or against us” but I also feel ashamed when people don’t agree with me.


    -I try to influence people in my life to do what I personally believe is right for them and enjoy brainstorming ways for them to improve their futures.


    -I dislike overly serious people, but I also dislike overly playful people. I feel very serious most times, but come off more laidback. Although I can be quick to anger, my probably ESE brother tells me to chill out often. I’m also nostalgic and often rewatch movies

    -Not really that relevant outside of stereotypes, but Im really uncoordinated and clumsy. I dont live in the moment, actively pay a lot of attention to my surrounding et cetera. Suck at directions and map reading, or even just walking straight.



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    You can try to make a typing video with a poll for more qualified opinions - it's difficult to ascertain a type from textual self-report.






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    yeah that’s fair. people can be mean online though, so I’m a little wary about sharing a video. I might do so after I get to know the community a little better

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    You seem IEI. Your post is for the most part a good description of a typical IEI. Note that my typing skills are not very sharp.

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    interesting - any reason why you don’t think ESI is likely?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pineapple View Post
    interesting - any reason why you don’t think ESI is likely?
    Your Se as you described it is nothing like an Se Ego.

    -Im very lazy, I just don’t like work. It takes a ton of effort for me to mobilise. I just want a life of constantly lying around, making and eating good food, and travelling lol. I mean everyone does I guess, but yeah I definitely don’t have a work ethic.
    ESIs are not Lazy. They are hard workers like all the Gammas. Laziness or low level of Energy is more typical Ip Temperament ( Irrational Introverts ).

    -I daydream of having some sort of power, when I got bullied my coping mechanism was to imagine myself in the future with a lot more power than the people who were mean to me like “I’ll be better than you guys one day”. I rarely confronted my bullies, when I did attempt to it took a lot of bravery and intense anxiety.
    The bold part is not what an ESI would say. ESI are very capable of direct confrontation. Do you know MMA fighting ? There are lots of ESIs there ! You get the picture, even though I exaggerate a bit ahah !

    -Not really that relevant outside of stereotypes, but Im really uncoordinated and clumsy. I dont live in the moment, actively pay a lot of attention to my surrounding et cetera. Suck at directions and map reading, or even just walking straight.
    Pretty self-explanatory ! Not Se Ego. That points to Intuitive > sensing.

    Anyways. I think you're Beta NF IEI>EIE but of course we can not seriously determine a type without more data than just a text.

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    Quote Originally Posted by godslave View Post
    Anyways. I think you're Beta NF IEI>EIE but of course we can not seriously determine a type without more data than just a text.
    Thanks this helps a lot

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    SEI. Maybe? Could be. Not sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by godslave View Post
    Your Se as you described it is nothing like an Se Ego.



    ESIs are not Lazy. They are hard workers like all the Gammas. Laziness or low level of Energy is more typical Ip Temperament ( Irrational Introverts ).



    The bold part is not what an ESI would say. ESI are very capable of direct confrontation. Do you know MMA fighting ? There are lots of ESIs there ! You get the picture, even though I exaggerate a bit ahah !



    Pretty self-explanatory ! Not Se Ego. That points to Intuitive > sensing.

    Anyways. I think you're Beta NF IEI>EIE but of course we can not seriously determine a type without more data than just a text.
    The only part I disagree with you about is the maps/directions being Se related. Oh, and I guess...all gammas having strong work ethic. ILIs are often stagnant as hell in their lives, need that Se to be more active just like IEIs do. I guess I've seen ILI get really distracted by side task pseudo-productivity, though, while neglecting the real issues. Like writing or learning a language to be productive, while failing to actually go anywhere in life. Otherwise, I agree and think this is spot on.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat Lady View Post
    The only part I disagree with you about is the maps/directions being Se related. Oh, and I guess...all gammas having strong work ethic. ILIs are often stagnant as hell in their lives, need that Se to be more active just like IEIs do. I guess I've seen ILI get really distracted by side task pseudo-productivity, though, while neglecting the real issues. Like writing or learning a language to be productive, while failing to actually go anywhere in life. Otherwise, I agree and think this is spot on.
    Absolutely ! ILI are Ip after all ahah ! I saw that ILI's Ip-ness kinda contradicts a little with my "all gammas are hard workers" just after my post but I didn't want to rectify it for some reason* ahah !! Thank you for having doing it !


    Edit : * After some reflection I know now why ! It's because my post has been quoted before I could rectify it and I never Edit a post after it has been quoted ! Now that makes sense to me ahaha !! Why didn't I remember this is another mystery...
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    I guess it’s between SEI and IEI now, thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pineapple View Post
    I guess it’s between SEI and IEI now, thank you.
    Should be simple from there.

    http://en.socionicasys.org/teorija/d...emocii-funkcij


    The informational macroelement «time»() is subdivided into the essence component «possibilities»potentiality intuition», «black intuition» ) and the relational component «events» («temporal intuition», «white intuition» ).

    Let us imagine that we are standing somewhere in an open place. We have a lot of possibilities to turn around ourselves at any angle up to 360° and make a step. But all these possibilities are potential and not yet realised. From the variety, we can choose only one possibility and make that step. And this undertaken step will crate a realised possibility, i.e., an event. This illustration is very simple, however at any moment in our lives we indeed have an immence choice of options. The exact development of further events depends on the choices we make. Thus, a possibility is a potential event, and it constitutes the essence of «time» macroelement. Possibility intuition is related to such notions as insight, positive (negative) potential, abilities, essence, ideas, originality, uncommon, interest, fabulous, good and bad variants, possibilities, positive and negative traits, «the other side of the coin», lack of prospects, meaninglessness, mediocrity.

    Instead, it is an accomplished event that will be registereg on the timeline. It determines the developments of history. We subjectively perceive sequential events as flow of time. Not only something grand and historical is considered to be an event, but any realised possibility or change: a pen which fell from a table is also an event. Flow of time can be described only in terms of events or happenigs. Try to write an essay about how you have spent your day, and you will see that you are writing about what has happened during the day. The man perceives time through events, i.e., realised possibilities. Therefore, co-relations between possibilities as they are realised is translated into events, or changes in time. Time intuition is assosiated with such notions as: perspective, events, changes, forsight, prediction, being late, delay, waste of time, cavalcade of history, fortune, etc.
    «events», «temporal intuition», «white intuition»

    An important remark should be done here. Terms used in socionics are often confused with the common language notions and meanings. The word «intuition» is often understood as getting some information by insight. Of course, we can grasp some possibilities or predict some events in this way, but describing a way or mode of getting information does not always correcpond with the "possibility intuition" in socionics. Perhaps, intuits generally have a more developed channel for getting insight knowledge, but this topic has not yet been investigated. Therefore, it is incorrect to immediately label all people who have had insights or who have seen prophetic dreams and «signs» as intuits. All people have insight to some extent, however 'intuitive' TIMs must be identified by means of other tools, that will be discussed later.

    As noted above, many words in a real language are multi-elemental, and ascribing a word to a certain information element is possible only based on the context. How should we proceed in order to find the underlying information element correctly? For instance, the term «comfort» may relate to different informational elements according to the context. Let us consider the following sentence:
    If our affections be tried, our affections are our consolation and comfort.
    Here the word «comfort» is used to describe an emotional state; thus, it corresponds to «the emotion ethics» .

    Let us compare it with the following one:
    The sofa was already moved into a warm corner for her greater comfort.
    Here the same word describes a certain sensation and, thus, should be related to «the comfort sensing» .
    http://en.socionicasys.org/teorija/d...ichkov/aspekty


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    Wowzers. About 70-83% of how the @pineappledescribes his/her self fits me perfectly. Some things, the biggest one, agreeing with society were the opposite--I intensely disagree with the majority and have often loved taking contrarian positions. The other big ones were being polite as a kid and not being affectionate with people I really care about... I'm often intensely affectionate with people I really care about.

    But @pineapple might be ESI; definitely an IEI, SEI, or ESI-Fi... it's good that seeing the first post makes me think I'm not LSE anymore.
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