Andrew Tate
Last edited by Averroes; 10-12-2022 at 08:13 PM.
LIE 7w8
why not 8w7Originally Posted by Averroes
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self diagnosed ASD, ADHD, schizotypal/affective
Your face makes your brain and sociotype – how muscle use shapes personality
I want to care
if I was better I’d help you
if I was better you’d be better
Human Design 2/4 projector life path 1
Seems to chatty/heady and manic - talks about experiencing intense FOMO and flying out to places on impulse for fleeting dopamine spikes. I don’t see him as a grounded, physical guy in spite of his image
Last edited by Averroes; 08-08-2022 at 05:04 PM.
SLE 1000%
That guy is a total dweeb
I think he’s SEE. SLE’s don’t showcase their Se like this imo
I'd look at Te vs. Fe as Mobilizing function. Compare him with Mark Cuban (SEE). SEEs aren't as "proud" or "haughty" as SLEs.
I'm saying SLE, trolling cranked up to the max. You can tell from most of the videos that he's exaggerating every opinion on purpose just to wind up people, it's pretty funny but he's made it into a living. Till Lindemann of Rammstein is another but more "cultured" example of the same, the main point is to shock people and just them being shocked and provoked is really fun.
He's just removing every single sugarcoating or ethical concern about there being classes of people (based on financial, sexual, hierarchical success) and saying it's just a dose of raw reality. I don't disagree with the basics of the stuff he said about achieving success.
I'm not saying he's a role model, but the way he's trolling people and especially how his nonverbals look like, I have to say a lot of it is familiar to me.
lolok, if he’s trolling, that makes sense
thanks
My first reaction was to laugh.
I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt and say he's just taking the piss.
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He could be a SLE.
When I don't take medication and exercise a lot, I have similar energy.
Also, he just works for his image.
I'd love to have 10 supercars and a huge house. It's just that it's a bit shallow and silly.
And having the baddest bitch? Lol.
I bet he has/had a mentor for this shit.
Uh, and yes, owning cool stuff and just having it around feels nice. So I'm also shallow. Fuck me.
Ha!
I like nice things, tooit’s ok
ok. guess I’ll accept SLE for him….He does VI as it. But when I started watching the vids, I was all like…
lol
thanks for your opinion
SEE-D, his communication style isnt business like to fit into LIE, SLE.
LIE Ni like my nazi friend whom i mistyped as SLE
xIEs share puckered lips
Last edited by VewyScawwyNawcissist; 08-08-2022 at 10:19 PM.
https://linktr.ee/tehhnicus
Jesus is King stops black magic and closes portals
self diagnosed ASD, ADHD, schizotypal/affective
Your face makes your brain and sociotype – how muscle use shapes personality
I want to care
if I was better I’d help you
if I was better you’d be better
Human Design 2/4 projector life path 1
Se & Fi are the most evident. ESFp.
If I'm not answering you, I'm either procrastinating a response, or I've judged the conversation as fruitless/already settled prior to the debate for me.
Plausible types; INxP>INxj>ENxp>ENxj
He's Ni Ego. Rational Extravert. He focus on Networking , being with the right people at the right time etc... That's his advices to people on how to be rich. Calling them lazy, expecting an emotional reaction. Ostentatiously displaying and demonstrating his success. Se HA. EIE
Note that my typing skills are not very sharp. Anyway, That guy needs to learn humility Imho.
That's FiHe's Ni Ego. Rational Extravert. He focus on Networking , being with the right people at the right time etc... That's his advices to people on how to be rich.
That's just because he is ESFp and has a huge attraction to power/status/impact signs.Ostentatiously displaying and demonstrating his success. Se HA. EIE
If I'm not answering you, I'm either procrastinating a response, or I've judged the conversation as fruitless/already settled prior to the debate for me.
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Strange guy. He's hard to type because he's so intent on proving that he's worth something. His need to impress you completely buries whatever his basic personality might be.
I see a lot of Si, believe it or not. But he's not an LSE, in my opinion, and not an SEI, I think.
SLI?
Something else?
I'd be astounded if he were an LIE. I don't think he's SLE, either. SLEs can easily be as assertive as this guy, but I've never seen an SLE with this much desire to impress strangers. I mean, if an SLE acts like this, he's usually waiting to see if you laugh.
IDK what this guy's type is.
I'd buy LIE, just an extremely narcissistic and misogynistic one. Not saying SLEs are like that. Andrew just tends to be accentuating Se in a very unhealthy way.
agree with LIE
he's just aping Se with this put-on character
People lacking basic knowledge on Socionics theory now typing an evident 4D Fe, strong Fi and lead Se guy who does things as "Spending all his savings in a San Marino restaurant eating the most expensive things just to feel as if he was rich" as a Te lead type, even a logical type, an ENTj. These people have spent years and years on socionics yet cannot grasp even the most basic elements of the theory.
The absolute state of this forum
Last edited by RBRS; 08-09-2022 at 09:17 AM.
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HAHAHA this is not 4D Fe, nor is he anywhere close to an Ethical type. Nice one.
Lol. That's not 4D Fe, but theatrics with the intent of generating some energetic state in someone, managing mimicry with the expertise he does... 4D Fe.
Creating a strategy around contacts and relational distance with the right kind of people is correlated with strong Fi, specially Fi Creative. The same goes to the value he puts into his deep bonds, and the same goes for how he defines an ethical system not in principles but in how should someone conduct himself with interpersonal relations.
"Spending all his savings in a San Marino restaurant eating the most expensive things just to feel as if he was rich"
Such an action demonstrates weak Te (ignoring or discarding a proficient use of your resources just so you can make yourself experience an emotional state). Furthermore throwing out all your money just so you can feel some feeling is contrary to logical type.Extroverted logic deals with the external activity of objects, i.e the how, what and where of events, activity or work, behavior, algorithms, movement, and actions.
The how, what and where of events would be the external activity of events, activity or work would be the external activity of a machine or individual(s) and algorithms describe the external activity of objects.
Emotional self-repression is not a sign of logics, what signals some IM is strong or weak is perception and information-building on the realms of the said IM. He demonstrates weak Te, very, very weak Ti, strong Fi, strong Fe & lead Se.
Learn theory and what things mean. Offer arguments for your claims.
If I'm not answering you, I'm either procrastinating a response, or I've judged the conversation as fruitless/already settled prior to the debate for me.
Plausible types; INxP>INxj>ENxp>ENxj
"Learn theory and what things mean". Do you really think a Feeling type would USE people for personal gain? Would say such ABHORRENT things about people? Use your brain, not a theory. I don't need to explain why he's not an Ethical type.
Plus, why would a Feeling type throw away cash to FEEL something when they have no problem with feeling things as they are FEELING types? That makes no sense.
AND don't try to type strictly based on behavior. What happens when that behavior is no longer there? The type doesn't change now does it?
We should ask that question to all the cult leaders out there !!
Evidently, furthermore it is a stereotype of ESFps and ENFjs to do that.
Socionics ethics do not mean colloquial ethics, but perception of subjective (as in subject/object sense) relational/energetic information.
The abhorrent things he says are literally ethics information and his usage of others is done through deep and virtuous understanding of ethical information everything about this guy screams ethical type.
Seems like you are carrying things from the MBTI community to socionics. Let me warn you; socionics is a more pessimistic, REALIST look at cognitive functioning and human personality, as dark as it can get.Rational information is information that is evaluated, interpreted, symbolic, linguistic, meaningful, or representative of something other than itself. For example, a green traffic light means go. Information is evaluated either by concrete intellectual processing, which can be described exactly (logic) or by social, emotional, or situational interpretations (ethics). Logic is what things mean "on the face of it", in a way that can be universally communicated, while ethics is what things mean when you read between the lines, or look to the source which originated the thing. Logic is the interrelation of different observable, concrete data (language, symbols, behavior, actions, etc), as well as their truth values, while ethics is the relationship of hidden, internal, or nebulous qualities with observable data. Logical types perceive logical information easily and with detail, while they perceive ethical information dimly and with relative difficulty. The opposite goes for ethical types. There is essentially no difference in each type's ability to perceive the introverted and extroverted forms of each domain. They only differ in how they prioritize the two opposing goals within the domain, as well as the amount of energy they are able to direct towards each form.
If I'm not answering you, I'm either procrastinating a response, or I've judged the conversation as fruitless/already settled prior to the debate for me.
Plausible types; INxP>INxj>ENxp>ENxj
Dismissing Logics information units in favor of Ethics information units is a sign of ethic preference and weak logics.
I never type by behaviors and only use it as a secondary source, other forum members might confirm this. I type primarily by a person's expression of the most important Jung's dichotomies and the quantitative & qualitative expression of IMs. He shows mostly Fe, Fi, Se, and demonstrates weakness in logics, specially Ti.
If I'm not answering you, I'm either procrastinating a response, or I've judged the conversation as fruitless/already settled prior to the debate for me.
Plausible types; INxP>INxj>ENxp>ENxj
A less jokey video:
Man, the more I see of Tate, the more I think he's SLI. He's also got some personal problems with insecurity, but that's a different issue.
He reminds me a bit of a Jehovah's witness recruiter I know, who actually is SLI.
SLIs are Fe-PolR. He is not Fe-PolR. Case closed.
If I'm not answering you, I'm either procrastinating a response, or I've judged the conversation as fruitless/already settled prior to the debate for me.
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SLIs are also Guardians who want to guide you in life. My evangelical SLI friend has been preaching to me for years. He does a good job in front of his congregation. My SLI ex-wife also introduced visiting speakers to audiences at the University of Michigan, so I imagine that being Fe-PoLR doesn't mean that you can't speak in front of groups.
Tate hasn't spoken in the videos above about just HOW he got richer than anyone, so I looked up how Tate made his money, and it seems he did it by selling course videos on how to be rich. "I want to teach you how to be an adult." I also read that he's into gambling in some remote country. Neither of these activities really requires personal, one-on-one interactions. He also doesn't seem to have anyone else in his videos. Maybe he doesn't have any friends.
Still, @RBRS, both of us could cherry-pick examples of why Tate is this way or that, and neither one of us is likely to convince the other. I'm just saying that I, personally, think he's an SLI with self-esteem problems.
I believe that it gets harder to type people when they have personality issues, and Tate is a good example of this.
ENTjs VI somewhat like these two
https://youtu.be/lHl2PqwRcY0
https://youtu.be/3adQshl_k-0
Some n00bs spread the false idea that ENTjs are some sort of alpha fuckers when they actually are a quite cerebral type, they're from the NT club, and Socionics is not MBTI nor do ENTJ and ENTj usually correlate (Most MBTI ENTJs are SLE, SEE, LSI and EIE).
If I'm not answering you, I'm either procrastinating a response, or I've judged the conversation as fruitless/already settled prior to the debate for me.
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He VIs to me as Ixxj temp. I thought LSI at first. LSIs are often more rigid and way less trolly than this but idk, I still think a LSI could easily be that way.
I’m right and you all are wrong.
And I don’t need to explain myself because I’m the Princess of Maizestan.
The End.
He's LIE. Gamma. Ej temperament > Ep temperament.
You're mistaking Se with EJ, but he shows irrationality in his movements, non-verbals and conversations.
If I'm not answering you, I'm either procrastinating a response, or I've judged the conversation as fruitless/already settled prior to the debate for me.
Plausible types; INxP>INxj>ENxp>ENxj
There's nothing about Andrew Tate that desires to be a 'shadow leader', in no way, shape, or form is he ST or SF. Maaaybe ST but he isn't Beta nor Delta. He's so focused on profiting off people it's ridiculous, pointing to strong Business Logic and weak Ethics of Relations. I think you have it all backwards, my friend.
Edit : In this video (from 4:48 to 8:59), Dr. Grande is describing the so called "Alpha man" traits. We can correlate almost all those traits to the position of Se and Fe in socionics Model A/G. However the traits he talks about applied mostly to Extraverts so Se and Fe in EP and EJ temperaments either in Lead or mobilizing positions. It's amazing since, as far as I know, Dr. Grande is not familiar with socionics although he is with MBTI and relates to the INTP in that system.
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