Andrew Tate

[FreelancePoliceman]

I must be out of the loop because I’ve literally never heard of this guy

He's a psyop; a test by the powers that be to see how quickly they can get people wringing their hands over literally whos.

[crazymaisy]

I don't know about this guy, to me, and I do not have any exposure to him except this thread, his eyes scream Fe at me, and some pics have a vunerable introverted look, but overall he has a very SEE way and extreme immaturity. He's no SLE.

[Chthonic Daydream]

Get this antiquated cum drop preaching domestic violence out of my country.

[timber]

Okay, so I had a look around and where exactly is he producing Te?

I mean HOW do I get rich?

Not, oh hey, being rich gives you x factor ethical boost.

Wow so much logics here. Super impressive, actionable logistics.

[lavos]

I think he is IEI-Fe.



Adding picture for VI purposes because his type is more apparent in this one.

[timber]

That's pretty steamy, you better get that out of here

[serenaeva]

LIE?? I personally haven't seen an LIE so performative, obscenely attention-seeking and dramatic. It's so obnoxious with him that it makes him seem gay. Even SEE would make more sense but i think Gamma is a bad typing for him nevertheless, he screams Fe. Beta extrovert.

[Averroes]

What’s his brother’s type?

[Alive]

I think he is IEI

agreed

[Rusal]

​I have a hard time seeing him as IEI as he doesn't seem too subsumed in any introspective openness, he's too focused on physical demonstrations of status that actually consume time and energy and boasting how many women he f*kcs, and recreates tales and reasons of superiority over women with blatant, demonstrative snark. Really now.

[Alive]

I think he's human trash but he has that typical 'you can be anything you imagine yourself to be' Ni mindset. He's also about drama, theatralics which really only leaves beta NF as potential type

https://youtu.be/kuMwCcBzGEs

His father is apparently a chess grandmaster

[Rusal]

​Well, if it's true that Ni is about being or achieving anything you want, one would have to think about Ni in IEIs and what description after description of the type tell is that when IEIs have to transform their fantasy into reality, they bail out.

An IEI can go to the gym and work their biceps.

An IEI can indulge in money talk and crass, nouveau riche behavior.

An IEI can demonstrate boastfulness with a pinch of downright hatred.

Provided they indulge in one of those things and from time to time.

An IEI that's built himself a modus operandi that works 24/7 around that? Mmm.

We can all type but do you know the amount of psychological energy that doing those 3 things all the time an IEI has to redirect? When is he going to “Ni” if his life is just that?

I watched an interview where he jumps at the first chance to talk trash about women in the most idiotic way. That shows all that is simmering at the forefront of his thoughts. He’s trying to be provocative. Every turn he gets. That collides with IEIs' natural inclination to be conciliatory and adjust to the person they’re talking to. Again, IEIs can be provocative, but making a mess in front of everybody with their childish and superficial impressions is not something they’ll engage in every chance they get, as at some point they realize some things just run deeper. That never-ending provocative game, IEIs are not inclined to play.

If you start listening to an “IEI” and they sound similar to any random emotionally unintelligent, SLI man in his sixties making a comment on the opposite sex because they take everyday, superficial reality for granted and can't or refuse to see beyond, then maybe you'd better start suspecting something is off. It's not for no reason IEIs are described as ‘conciliatory’ in Socionics and understood as a traditionally feminine type.

I think he's a T type that likes to provoke with arguments and uses them to have fun and make money. But pinning down his type is going to be hard if we arrive at the conclusion that it's all for show.

[Alive]

https://youtu.be/gSmLhM9kf1o

In this video he talks about how the most important thing for networking with other millionaires is to be able to tell an interesting story in an emotional way. He presents himself a little bit different here than the usual garbage he talks about. He doesn't seem logical to me at all. I think he's a D or C subtype. He does what IEI's do. Relieving memories. The part at 4:23 is interesting

[Rusal]

​Here is Vitali Klitschko. I chose him because you typed him LSI. Let's see, he talks about the future of children (Ni, focused on the future) and freedom for his country (Idealist Ni).





I won't type him IEI because because of the vid. Honestly, Tate's dedication and product deviates a little too much for my liking so ‘self-description’ wouldn't be enough, and I'm sure Klitschko would describe himself as focused on the future if you asked him. Of course he is: he cares about children!


I can't get into a serious discussion when you change your goalposts constantly, eg you're trying to present an alternative picture of Tate and his capacity to emote yet it's not necessary for cold, silent Haaland to emote now that I've read you retyped him to IEI even though you were using his stoniness to scold everyone into learning proper Socionics because his lack of warmth was an undeniable sign of "Fe suggestive, obviously... some people!".

[get R]

LSE

[Averroes]

[VewyScawwyNawcissist]

hunter gatherer/N type cheekbones, autistic/huntergatherer/N type facial structure

[get R]

^ no

[VewyScawwyNawcissist]

^

[get R]

lol but his eyes are squintier like the LSE guy imo..

[Too deep]

Demonstrative Intuition

In the model of the TIM, the 5th position is called demonstrative function. This is the most powerful internal function, i.e. a function of short radius of action meant for application within its own territory. When it demonstrative function is observed from a distance, it often seems inadequate, as if awkwardly protruding. When demonstrative function is an intuitive one, it yields quite a comical look, since it is the most detached mental function. This phenomenon can be observed with four rational intuitive types: EIE, LIE, LII, and EII.

Lets look at some characteristic examples. In the first photo, one can see a demonstratively expressed T-state (Ni / intuition of time) in eyes of Leonid Chernovetsky, type LIE, for which he has been nicknamed "Lenya-space".
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[Too deep]

The second picture is also an example of demonstrative intuition, but this is an I-state (Ne / intuition of possibilities). It captures a moment of an interview with the well-known economist Mikhail Khazin, type LII.
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As you can see, the typical trait of intuition in demonstrative position is a defocused look. In the case of dynamic intuition of time "T" (Ni), the look is directed forwards and upwards; it is as if floating or plowing through the outer space. Static intuition of opportunities "I" (Ne) is characterized by a look that stops at the mid-point - this is a look that looks "through you".

The 5th function is key for interpersonal compatibility, since the person rarely makes concessions concerning this area. By means of this function, a representative of a type delineates personal territory and sends easily discernible signals of his or her presence. One must acknowledge the 5th function; people have to accommodate and adjust to it while interacting at close distance, or a trusting relationship between them won't be established.

[Too deep]

https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...enko-VI-Method

[Averroes]

He reminds me of an Ali G character

[xerx]

Red Pill stuff is driven by demand. As long as young men are flunking with women, there will be an exodus towards the Red Pill (or something else that gestures in the same direction). Banning him probably won't fix that.

[Averroes]

They should be taught to get girlfriends. Only a tiny portion of them can become top Gs with multiple sex partners and that’s mostly determine by their looks

[Too deep]

The redpill blackpill is dying. This was one generation with certain problem. The next generation problem might be of different nature

[YnysAfallach]

Andrew Tate is not somebody who is Te PoLR and should pretty clearly be seen as a type with a rational base, though I think Beta type is the right track given the obvious aristocratic inclination. If anything, Ne PoLR comes to mind in cases where the deficiency in the psyche has to do with being unable to conceptualize the fact that there could actually be alternative perspectives on the social dynamics they're perceiving (Ne PoLR/Se creative in a Ti/Fe valuing psyche). I get the feeling that he is seeing Ni emerge from the ether, gifting him glimpses of where the structure of his Ti base is tacitly headed, and he assumes that what he sees of it is all that there is, producing the Ne PoLR effect of being blind to the fact that his Ni is but one particular cleft of a broader Ne rock-face. This leaves us with a tentative LSI ruling. Seems like a lot of the angst would go away with an EIE who can reassure him that he doesn't need to peacock to be valuable to her/the world. Though I can't envision what EIE I would want to subject to such a task.

Consider this top comment underneath one of his videos: "Andrew's best story is telling the story about having a story"

If people are looking to tear into IEIs (as you should be), Jordan Peterson is your guy.

[Rusal]

J. Peterson not Te polr or it's not that evident.

Andrew Tate: LIE based loosely on nonverbals.

[YnysAfallach]

Andrew Tate: LIE based loosely on nonverbals.

You think Andrew Tate has 4D Ne?

Also what would you think otherwise for JP? EII? I'm not sure any thinking conscious type is going to cry that frequently/easily.

[Averroes]

I like LSI. I understand his mindset a bit: in my ideal relationship, I'd like to be the kind of guy who passively inspires a little bit of jealousy because of the assumption that I could easily replace her if I wanted to. I don't like being perceived as anyone's safe option or cute, cuddly boyfriend. His obsession with proving how inferior women are at everything is corny though, and I don't think the performative hypermasculine behavior that he recommends is that essential or fulfilling for everyone. Not every man can or wants to be a psychopathic Se-LSI/SLE/LIE/LSE

[DogOfDanger]

I'm still trying to figure out why he's so famous, or if he actually is... I suspect he just got some burst traffic and it's being blown out of proportion, there's nothing that new or interesting that he's saying... basically "I'm a man and I protect women, women are subservient to me because I protect them... blah blah".
The fact you can be this famous for saying something like this speaks to how weak and marginalized many men are feeling these days.

[pregnantman]

Tate was just another dude exposing the clown world and he got cancelled by the agents. I personally don't care what people think about the man

But ponder upon this; not only was he banned from social media, but all payment processing systems, his banks, frozen.

That is massive.

If you disagree with the mainstream. If you disagree with your government, if you say something they don't like, they have the subjective power to destroy your money. That should be frightening to all of you.

Just imagine if you weren't rich, that would be crippling, just for having an opinion and voicing it, or whether or not you bought the right groceries, or whether or not you've taken too many flights etc...

Andrew Tate is not somebody who is Te PoLR and should pretty clearly be seen as a type with a rational base, though I think Beta type is the right track given the obvious aristocratic inclination. If anything, Ne PoLR comes to mind in cases where the deficiency in the psyche has to do with being unable to conceptualize the fact that there could actually be alternative perspectives on the social dynamics they're perceiving (Ne PoLR/Se creative in a Ti/Fe valuing psyche). I get the feeling that he is seeing Ni emerge from the ether, gifting him glimpses of where the structure of his Ti base is tacitly headed, and he assumes that what he sees of it is all that there is, producing the Ne PoLR effect of being blind to the fact that his Ni is but one particular cleft of a broader Ne rock-face. This leaves us with a tentative LSI ruling. Seems like a lot of the angst would go away with an EIE who can reassure him that he doesn't need to peacock to be valuable to her/the world. Though I can't envision what EIE I would want to subject to such a task.

So all this mental gymnastics to basically say he disagrees with the mainstream. You're a dork

[YnysAfallach]

Tate was just another dude exposing the clown world and he got cancelled by the agents. I personally don't care what people think about the man

But ponder upon this; not only was he banned from social media, but all payment processing systems, his banks, frozen.

That is massive.

If you disagree with the mainstream. If you disagree with your government, if you say something they don't like, they have the subjective power to destroy your money. That should be frightening to all of you.

Just imagine if you weren't rich, that would be crippling, just for having an opinion and voicing it, or whether or not you bought the right groceries, or whether or not you've taken too many flights etc...

By “disagreeing with the mainstream”, do you mean being the subject of human trafficking investigations?

Also why should we be concerned that governments have the power to deny freedoms to people? That’s just what prison/jail is, as a concept. Worth noting that most of the ‘cancelling’ you’re talking about came from private places, not the government.

Also what connection did this comment have to Socionics? You’re an LSI/SLE and like Tate and so feel implicated and like you have to defend yourself and do a big self-report in the process?

So all this mental gymnastics to basically say he disagrees with the mainstream. You're a dork

Ahh, you must also be an LSI. The Ne PoLR is really hard to get around isn't it? Let me be explicit for you then; nothing about Tate being a horrible person has to do with him being LSI.

[pregnantman]

By “disagreeing with the mainstream”, do you mean being the subject of human trafficking investigations?

Also why should we be concerned that governments have the power to deny freedoms to people? That’s just what prison/jail is, as a concept. Worth noting that most of the ‘cancelling’ you’re talking about came from private places, not the government.

Also what connection did this comment have to Socionics? You’re an LSI/SLE and like Tate and so feel implicated and like you have to defend yourself and do a big self-report in the process?



Ahh, you must also be an LSI. The Ne PoLR is really hard to get around isn't it? Let me be explicit for you then; nothing about Tate being a horrible person has to do with him being LSI.

LOL. Inside every liberal is a totalitarian raging to come out.

[YnysAfallach]

LOL. Inside every liberal is a totalitarian raging to come out.

I'm in agreement with you about liberals. Scratch them and fascists bleed. But you have me incorrectly if you think I'm one. Liberal =/= left

[pregnantman]

I'm in agreement with you about liberals. Scratch them and fascists bleed. But you have me incorrectly if you think I'm one. Liberal =/= left

You just pulled a "I dont have a penis! Just kidding, I do!!" there

You also ask dumb questions you already know the answer to and reframe questions like an angry CNN reporter.

Make another fresh acct and try again.

[DogOfDanger]

Tate was just another dude exposing the clown world and he got cancelled by the agents. I personally don't care what people think about the man

But ponder upon this; not only was he banned from social media, but all payment processing systems, his banks, frozen.

That is massive.

If you disagree with the mainstream. If you disagree with your government, if you say something they don't like, they have the subjective power to destroy your money. That should be frightening to all of you.

Just imagine if you weren't rich, that would be crippling, just for having an opinion and voicing it, or whether or not you bought the right groceries, or whether or not you've taken too many flights etc...

If we accept that youtube algorithms are controlled by the left, & that everything is censored, how do you explain his rise to fame?

I used to agree with you about censorship.. then I saw the incredibly dumb response the COVID vaccines, where I still find myself debating people about the VARS data, trying to explain what a random sample is, to no avail..
So then I had to accept that even information mostly independently produced / consumed online, driven by public demand, can cause these mass delusions. The masses are incurably stupid, and vulnerable to brainwashing. Delusions such as these can be extremely dangerous - they've probably been responsible for most wars throughout history. Look at the Russian people - many of them are completely in support of the war in Ukraine, they're brainwashed... true they don't have a free press, but why couldn't they see through the lies?
So infact, since the public is too stupid to sort through the mass of information and discard the shit opinions, they require direction.

So the fear is that the regulators are politically biased & can suppress valid opinions, and promote propaganda...
This we have to take on a case by case basis - were the censored opinions valid or were they poorly formed, factually wrong, and potentially damaging?
In Tates case I say his opinions are in the latter camp. I'd put Alex Jones in the same camp. I don't want these idiots being the thought-leaders of a massive political movement. The movement hasn't disappeared, but let someone else be the thought leader.
Someone like Edward Snowden Julian Assange I'd put in the former camp...

So I think the internet has to have censorship, what it needs is fair and balanced censorship that is done for the benefit of the people. What you should be calling for is some of the degenerates on the left to be censored... and asking why they aren't censored. You can promote the deformation and mutilation of children these days and not be censored, as long as you do it under the guise of compassion... you can promote racism against whites, as long as you justify it with victimhood narratives and compassion... those are the people we also need to censor.

[YnysAfallach]

You just pulled a "I dont have a penis! Just kidding, I do!!" there

You also ask dumb questions you already know the answer to and reframe questions like an angry CNN reporter.

Make another fresh acct and try again.

You are lost amongst the trees in a forest you're not comprehending, angrily venting your societal frustrations on a socionics forum to people who are not your enemies.

LSIs are a type that can pull themselves together like no other, in a way that often makes me envious (as I am someone who needs it just as much, in my own way). Let me know if I can be of assistance somehow as you navigate things.

[pregnantman]

Let me know if I can be of assistance somehow as you navigate things.

Jump off a bridge