Learn the difference between a scientist and a journalist, Peters newsletter is not a primary source of information on matters of biology. The news / journalists are not scientific authorities, they are not trained biologists, their articles are not subject to peer review, they do not follow the scientific method. When forming an opinion on matters of science I scour google for journal articles published in peer-reviewed scientific journals, so that I can see the raw data.
Last edited by DogOfDanger; 01-11-2024 at 11:18 PM.
I already have and I've never seen anything on there like Peters claim that the vaccine has killed more people than it's saved, that data doesn't exist. Feel free to prove otherwise by simply posting it in here.Originally Posted by pregnantman
It already is much later, it's been 2 years now.
You can tell, huh? So then why couldn't you tell that your IFR statistic was not correct? And why don't you know what the correct IFR is...? If you've read the studies and know the statistics better than I do.
Why don't you know the frequencies of myocarditis and the causes? Why do you not understand that an 84% increase of a 1 in 200,000 occurrence is not a huge number?
Why don't you know whether that statistic setup controls between the vaccine population and the general population?
And why is it that every person I have asked for the data showing the millions of deaths so far can't be bothered to provide it, yet they can provide me with long lists of clickbait news articles (Peters corner) making the claim?
Hmm... surely they aren't just getting all their information from news articles and repeating it without really looking into it.
Keep trying.
There's really nothing left to debate, ... there's no salvaging this one.
I almost feel embarrassed for you reading this, you couldn't crash & burn harder in an argument if you tried.
It's amusing that you actually went back and merged / deleted 5 of your posts to try & minimize how humiliating this conversation was for you, and then you try & reinitiate the debate. But since you still have no argument... you make a very weak appeal to authority (arbitrarily 'trusting' a lone voice over the entire medical establishment) then start going on about sucking dicks.
(BTW - who appointed him "the Greatest Cardiologist in Florida" - did he win an award with those words written on it? But you never actually answered the question about the data, did you? Because, you know, you never actually looked at the data, and don't know where it is...)
Just stop, you're making it worse.
Last edited by DogOfDanger; 10-11-2022 at 02:05 AM.
It's an obvious act but I think the real guy is LIE. He reminds me of the faux musculature LIE males usually carry around.
Pretty poor reasoning. I haven't met an EII who wasn't a Disney girl so therefore you can't be EII if you're not a Disney girl
The DogofDanger convo was much more interesting than Andrew Tate
I think he won that round by technical knockout
my ideas about socionics:
https://soziotypen.de/thoughts-on-socionics/
this is a VI thread with IEI examples
https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...-(IEI-edition)
and this is a thread with EIE examples
https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...s-EIE-examples
I don't think I have ever interacted with him on this site, but there's a pretty drastic intellectual difference between him and you
my ideas about socionics:
https://soziotypen.de/thoughts-on-socionics/
this is a VI thread with IEI examples
https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...-(IEI-edition)
and this is a thread with EIE examples
https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...s-EIE-examples
The fact that others can also follow basic reasoning & reach correct conclusions is something we should all find comfort in.
There are alot of other personal attacks you could be choosing, but gay sex is the one you go back to time & again.
Last edited by DogOfDanger; 10-11-2022 at 02:22 AM.
Looks like a circuit has blown.
Greta Thunberg is not a scientist, she's a mentally ill autistic child. She & AOC have only succeeded in turning the environmental movement into a laughing stock... we don't need these two leading the planets environmental movement.
I'm torn between justifying this giant bout of low-IQ verbal diarrhea with a response and just ignoring it, but you did post 4 videos that are well put together. Of course you gave no analysis on them, didn't state their relevancy, or even prove you understood them... you just posted them and went spewing unrelated mental garbage for pages. But they are good videos - put together by a man who is far, far smarter than you, who has done great work throughout the pandemic - so I will respond to that part of what you've said.
Unfortunately for you, this man never suggests what you are claiming, or even comes close to doing so.
In your first video, for the excess deaths, he lists 6 or 7 possible causes. COVID-19 vaccination is not on his list. So yes, he triggers your paranoia, but that is all he does.
The man in your video has spent the last 2 years pouring through all the latest COVID research on a daily basis, he's probably one of the leading experts on the COVID vaccines at this point. Why didn't he list COVID-19 vaccine as a potential cause of excess death?
Here are some potential reasons:
a) there are now 37 approved COVID-19 vaccines that are being used in various countries around the world, if you don't believe that figure take a look - https://www.raps.org/news-and-articl...ine-trackerand
Ukraine had about half its population receive a Russian vaccine / non mRNA vaccines, but its excess mortality is on par with the rest of Europe.
One of the countries with the highest rate of excess death, Switzerland, had about 65% of their population receive the Moderna vaccine.
Meanwhile the place with the highest excess deaths, Spain, used about 70% Pfizer and about 20% Moderna. Pfizer is also the most common vaccine used throughout Europe, yet we are seeing these excess deaths much higher in Spain than the rest of Europe.
Meanwhile Luxemberg has reported fewer deaths than expected, but their populations also received a mix of Pfizer and Moderna vaccines.
b) there are 6-7 other explanations that may account for the excess deaths, all of which he lists off. Including long term effects from COVID itself.
c) the excess deaths look to be related by cardiovascular issues. The post-viral cardiovascular issue is well known and well studied with other viruses, we have historic evidence of elevated cardiovascular risk extending beyond an immediate acute infection. Studies for COVID in this respect are beginning to be produced, by their nature they focus on the earlier periods of the pandemic and the Alpha / Beta strains. There is clear evidence that there is a subgroup of people who've had a COVID infection from one of these earlier variants that will be experiencing cardiovascular risk for a period afterwards, 6-12 months or possibly longer.
Omicron was considered a much more harmless variant, it was also much more contagious, and it spread throughout the entire population. Omicron infected much higher numbers of people than other variants. If Omicron can induce the same kinds of long term cardiovascular problems that the other variants can, that would explain these numbers.
d) The vaccines are very carefully studied and monitored as they're rolled out. Your doctor has seen / shown on his channel numerous population-wide studies correlating vaccine use and medical events, broken down in many ways, and this data has not shown correlations with long term death & vaccination
e) All known severe side effects associated with the vaccines are short-term effects. And again, it isn't like the vaccines haven't been studied in prolonged trials. We simply do not have any evidence that the excess deaths are caused by the vaccines. If the vaccines were causing deaths it is unlikely that this effect would not appear in the short or medium term, but would only show up 2 years down the line.
The man in your video is practicing evidence-based medicine. Normally you'd hypothesize that people like this were suppressing information and conspiring against you. The deciding factor for you seems to be whether the researcher confirms or denies your paranoia. What I've been asking you to provide is evidence to support your claims.
f) from google it looks like there is also evidence that the excess deaths are tracking with ER / ambulance wait times. That makes sense since the severe events causing the excess deaths span a wide range of conditions, but they're all conditions that require immediate attention. People don't realize this but the pandemic was horrible for hospitals both financially and in terms of the number of workers quitting. The data on excess death is being compared with pre-pandemic levels, but tons of workers quit during the pandemic. I see one report indicating average ambulance total response time is now 59 minutes, they aim for about 15 minutes. Cardiac events in particular require quick response to deal with.
In video #4 he then breaks down some actual data on severe medical events following vaccination. Here is the data, as reported severe medical events per 100,000:
Pulmonary embolism - 1.01 - (stroke)
Erythema - 1.04 - (superficial reddening of the skin)
Pain - 1.1
Palpitations - 1.11
Hypoaethesia - 1.13 - (decreased sensitivity to stimulation)
Local reaction - 1.14
Pruritis - 1.23 - (itchy / dry skin)
Myocarditis - 1.3 (heart inflammation)
Herpes Zoster - 1.42
Somnolence - 1.56 (sleepiness)
Diarrhea - 1.59
Arthralgia - 1.97 (joint stiffness)
Menstrual disorder - 2.03
Cough - 2.59
Asthenia - 2.94 (lack of energy)
Vomiting - 3.93
Erythema at vaccination site - 4.48
Reaction at vaccination site - 4.7
Arrhythmia - 4.8
Pain in an extremity - 4.81
Swelling at injection site - 6.21
Dyspnoea - 6.22
Parathesia - 7.23
Warm sensation - 7.23
Tachycardia - 8.19
Rash - 9.53
Malaise - 10.31
Lymphadenopathy - 11.52
Nausea - 11.59
So we can see that only 2 of these self-reported severe events are potentially life threatening - Myocarditis and stroke, with a combined frequency of about 1 in 50,000. This is the same number we've been discussing all along.
Events that are life threatening tend to be reported.
Basically your own video refutes your own point, and provides clear evidence that these severe life threatening events are very rare.
So then where is that MIT data that claims the vaccine (one of them) has killed 500,000 people...? Your copy/pasted news article mentioned it, but you didn't post the study itself, and I don't see that on the internet anywhere. Go ahead and provide that data.
For the rest - you have now quoted my old posts 3 separate times & responded to them in 3 ways, gone back and deleted / rewritten your own responses multiple times, you actually deleted 7 of your posts, then you spent 2 hours constructing this giant wall of text only to just blabber off a bunch of totally irrelevant insults. I really could not care less what some dumb fatass eating doritos in his mother basement, paranoid that his life is going to come to an end, opinion is. ... and I also can't spend the repeated long hours responding to your opinions unless you provide real evidence that justifies them, since it takes no effort to make a claim or repost click-bait slogans, but often significant effort to research / refute said idea. Fundamentally it is your responsibility to prove your claim, we don't start from assuming your claims are correct &, if we can't disprove them, continue assuming they're correct. You know, because we're discussing matters of science, and skepticism is at the very heart of science.
Now, unlike you I have things to do.... adios
Last edited by DogOfDanger; 10-12-2022 at 03:35 PM.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34406358/
Nice of you to embarrass yourself a little more.
The medical community is insightful, you just don't realize it because of this effect - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunnin...3Kruger_effect
Last edited by DogOfDanger; 10-13-2022 at 12:03 AM.
Pregnantman is just very toxic. reading his posts on different threads just gives me a headache
20 million dead as a result of the vaccine is what you're claiming here -
https://peterhalligan.substack.com/p...million-killed
Since you deleted so many of your posts I'm not going over our prior conversations again, you keep quoting me & trying to go back to it, but the conversation is gone. Time to move on
You don't seem familiar with the VAERS data, either - the VAERS data was widely quoted by anti-vax people as being a smoking pistoi, but as you've pointed out, the VAERS data can't be generalized to the population since, during the time it was collected, older people / people with chronic conditions were prioritized for vaccination. So you had anti-vaxers saying "hey look, there's an elevated occurrence of death in the VAERS data", and this required explaining to them what a random sample is. This is what I'm talking about when I'm mentioning the VAERS data, I am not implying that VAERS is high quality data that proves a case.
As for your point on myocarditis - myocarditis occurs very shortly after injection, there is no evidence of any long-term cardiac problems associated with the vaccine. The widespread occurrence of myocarditis was ruled out during phase 3 trials. In phase 3 trials test subjects are carefully monitored for symptoms, and followup is pursued on all reported, noteworthy symptoms. The test subject is not obligated to pay for the procedures. The COVID vaccines had tens of thousands of people participate in their phase 3 trails, they were conducted by hospitals all around the country. And with a severe symptom like myocarditis it's very unlikely this would not be reported. So no, there is no issue here with lack of diagnosis or poor people unable to afford a diagnosis.
Carry onward
Last edited by DogOfDanger; 10-13-2022 at 01:55 PM.
https://youtu.be/qUEDWGekhR0?t=694
NO U DONT FEEL BAD BECAUSE U ARE NARCISSISTIC SOCIOPATH UR EGO IS SO INFLATED U HAVE MANIPULATED AND DESTROYED UR INTEGRITY SO MUCH U CANT FEEL GUILT LMAOOOOOOOO
https://linktr.ee/tehhnicus
Jesus is King stops black magic and closes portals
self diagnosed ASD, ADHD, schizotypal/affective
Your face makes your brain and sociotype – how muscle use shapes personality
I want to care
if I was better I’d help you
if I was better you’d be better
Human Design 2/4 projector life path 1
pathetic. my argument still stands
u havent even posted a pic of u wearing a labcoat. WHERE IS YOUR DIPLOMA??? ur not better than the top florida cardiologist.
by the way u r gesticulating, it looks like u have been defeatedNow, unlike you I have things to do.... adios
Last edited by pregnantman; 10-16-2022 at 09:27 PM.
Pretty much.
So I admittedly don't watch alot of TV. But isn't it possible that maybe COVID is old news by now and it's no longer a good news story that gets eyeballs?
From my viewpoint, the media is controlled by money. They get more eyeballs if they say certain things. When they stop getting eyeballs, they change their story.
While I don't believe that COVID was a lie, I'm aware that the media lies, frequently. I'm sure you know of a few examples of CNN lying, trying to spin stories using a collection of carefully chosen clips. From what I've heard more recently, Fox News is also a little guilty of manipulation. The story I heard is that Fox News broadcasted that people are throwing away their solar panels. Does that even sound realistic?
If I've heard misinformation, then sorry about that. But I think I heard it from a Republican source, though the source wasn't in any way professional.
Last edited by Clarke; 10-29-2022 at 02:25 PM. Reason: Technicalities.
Man, after seeing this - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qh1rFURNKSs, he's so cringey Si-Polr. This is making art, without soul. TAKE AWAY ALL HIS BUGATTIS NOW. ROMANIAN JAIL FOR LYFE!
Yeah he's a So 3 LIE.
LIE psychopath. He’s too corny and tryhard to be Se base and gives very wholesome Te-base advice about self improvement and hard work sometimes. He’s kind of like the tony stark of misogyny
I find it difficult to believe that he’s a real person, and not just a made up character (to assist with some powerful person’s narratives perhaps). Same with “Greta Thunberg” tbh.
Like how uncomplex, unmultifaceted and tropey can a person get?
This is 100% the behavior of a reformed LIE nerd living out his adolescent fantasies in the most ostentatious way possible after getting rich and taking self defense classes
Lmao
This person reminds me of Oli London with just how absurd and “nerdy white kid in transformation” they are. Ni ego confirmed.
So I'm quoting you because I really like that you use Filatova's VI work--IMO, it's top tier. I'd just like to caution you about a few things based on some of my observations:
hunter gatherer/N type cheekbones, autistic/huntergatherer/N type facial structure
1.) I think Andrew Tate is an SLI-C (accentuated Se, Ne, and Fe).
I can see some of the similarities with Tate and LIE but there are more "dead ringers" with the SLIs, which IME, tends to be a more accurate indicator of a correct typing. SLI, LIE, SLE, and IEI (oddly enough) were the types most suggested in this thread and all of them are "left spinning" result types with the same -/+ IE charges. IME, types that share these traits (or, conversely, are "right spinning" process types) are more easily confused for each other not only in behavior, but phenotypically as well. Types along the same supervision and benefit rings require more careful parsing.
2.) Tate is a champion kick-boxer. Kick-boxing, like most martial arts and sports overall, are more successfully undertaken at the elite/professional level by sensors. Of course, intuitive types can also engage in more sensory, body-based activities and hobbies, but competing at a top level in an area where sensors preternaturally dominate is extremely unlikely, nigh impossible. Again, these are sensors who are at the top of their game--it's a bit ludicrous to think that a type with 2D Se could excel at such a level in a sport that requires quick reflexes, high visual spatial awareness, and raw physical strength/power. Theoretically, it goes against everything that distinguishes sensors from intuitive types. Moreover, a few Socionists have pointed to SLI's penchant for fighting/self defense.
3.) By virtue of Quadra values, Andrew Tate's espousal of traditional roles rooted in hierarchy (Delta is aristocratic) and his conservative leaning politics ever looking towards the past and the way things were veer closer to Delta than the more liberal (democratic), individualistic, "progressive" Gamma Quadra.
Hot body but it's too pretty bowed and too high class gay porn like. Real Chad bodies are a lot messier, he should realize that. Yeah it's nice that he doesn't look obese or repulsive but he's still missing the mark. The hot bisexual Chad that just fucked me a few years ago had a hot body but it wasn't so try hard and it was more grounded/"Messy"/realistic, he looks like he's shooting an audition for a gay porn and it's too fancy for me. I love gay porn though but it's too fake and fantasy and put the bow on the doll package you know?
The ribbon is best left untied. ((btw I still think he's LSI maybe))
He kinda looks like Mohammed/Michel Qissi. Tate is like the real life Tong Po.
https://youtube.com/shorts/51JCpyWKGwY?feature=share
Last edited by godslave; 03-13-2023 at 11:04 AM.
Beta or gamma extrovert but I've only seen one interview of his so far
Man I wish I was still this committed to explaining my sociotyping arguments. I'm like 5 years to late to the party. Nice job on this.So I'm quoting you because I really like that you use Filatova's VI work--IMO, it's top tier. I'd just like to caution you about a few things based on some of my observations:
1.) I think Andrew Tate is an SLI-C (accentuated Se, Ne, and Fe).
I can see some of the similarities with Tate and LIE but there are more "dead ringers" with the SLIs, which IME, tends to be a more accurate indicator of a correct typing. SLI, LIE, SLE, and IEI (oddly enough) were the types most suggested in this thread and all of them are "left spinning" result types with the same -/+ IE charges. IME, types that share these traits (or, conversely, are "right spinning" process types) are more easily confused for each other not only in behavior, but phenotypically as well. Types along the same supervision and benefit rings require more careful parsing.
2.) Tate is a champion kick-boxer. Kick-boxing, like most martial arts and sports overall, are more successfully undertaken at the elite/professional level by sensors. Of course, intuitive types can also engage in more sensory, body-based activities and hobbies, but competing at a top level in an area where sensors preternaturally dominate is extremely unlikely, nigh impossible. Again, these are sensors who are at the top of their game--it's a bit ludicrous to think that a type with 2D Se could excel at such a level in a sport that requires quick reflexes, high visual spatial awareness, and raw physical strength/power. Theoretically, it goes against everything that distinguishes sensors from intuitive types. Moreover, a few Socionists have pointed to SLI's penchant for fighting/self defense.
3.) By virtue of Quadra values, Andrew Tate's espousal of traditional roles rooted in hierarchy (Delta is aristocratic) and his conservative leaning politics ever looking towards the past and the way things were veer closer to Delta than the more liberal (democratic), individualistic, "progressive" Gamma Quadra.
I don't know Tate that well, but he vibes like McCafee, who I typed LIE.
You mean John McCafee? I agree that he vibes very similarly to Andrew Tate because he is also SLI-C. lol
BTW, thanks for the kind commentary on some of my posts, I appreciate it!
I think we can at least say we agree on valued, conscious Te.You mean John McCafee? I agree that he vibes very similarly to Andrew Tate because he is also SLI-C. lol
BTW, thanks for the kind commentary on some of my posts, I appreciate it!
And you are welcome about the commentary, I found it insightful and useful and I'm bored stuck on computers for a few weeks.
I think Andrew tate is SEE. He doesn't have strong Te, but he has strong Se (for example, gaining more money through scamming people with his courses). He is very confident in social situations and has strong Fe too (demonstative function), he is influential and talks about anything just to get attention + he is entertaining which helped him in becoming very known even though he is just another fake guru.
SLE it's super obvious. His brother is an LSE.
"Precision beats power and timing beats speed"
so3w4 as hell, close to e8, but he is too focused on his image. SLE 3w4
Library because this site has become sort of an idiocracy
EIE or LIE. Not Se base, not retarded enough.
Definite LIE, lol. It’s so obvious. His Se is try-hard. Wants to come off as more intimidating than he truly is. Lame.
I think Jordan Peterson is LSI tbh. Ive noticed beta types having this kind of teeth, I think it could be from some form of low si care or something more complex, not sure. I've also seen this kind of teeth in a SLE richard ramirez.
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Finally, some quality typology.
Lmao u agree?!
LSIs have 4D Si. I don't know about the teeth theory, but duals can look similar. I think he's EIE.
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