Braingel/Kara’s Enneagram takes.

[Braingel]

​Here I will share thinks I’ve written on Facebook…

[Braingel]

—Why Social 4 can Confuse for a 6–


I feel it is best I break it down, since I wrote such a.. Monstrous post that also turnt into my own life story (always happens)..


But before you continue any further reading this post, read this: https://m.facebook.com/groups/904595...m_source=group


People who don’t have an understanding of that triad do not have an understanding of the enneagram whatsoever. That, along with the intelligence centers, are what makes up each type’s core fear. And.. The enneagram bases on the core fear/ego fixation. So if you don’t have an understanding of that concept, you don’t at all understand the enneagram.


I wanted to talk about how a social 4 may confuse as a 6 by this. I already have written about it, but it is such a big issue, that I feel the need to drill this into the psyches of enneagram enthusiasts.


An attachment type is reliant on others for their identity. It is the external measure and attachment to societal normalcies when social variation is the focus. A social 6 will be dependent on some religion, group, cultural model.. To determine their identity. It can also extend to a systemic metric like typology, but they will be very impressionable to the opinions others have of them and sway. They will oscillate in their self-view…


A social 4 does in a way, look for approval and acceptance.. But rather than the direct acceptance for how they measure up to societal standard and attachment values, it is THEIR OWN ideal and image they have created, they are looking for others to value.


A social 4 as myself will feel worthless if others do not see their self-image.


This sounds attachment-like, and it is this reason why many ignorant and not as intuitively understanding studiers of the enneagram confuse a social 4 for a 6.


I cannot emphasize enough that a social 4 doesn’t rely on others to craft their identity.


I am never looking to be told who I am, attach myself to some crafted label… I constantly look for others who will value the image I’ve made for myself as a broken, spiritually gifted girl.. Who has syntactical giftedness…


A social 4 shouldn’t be that hard to distinguish from a 6, but many people don’t have a good intuitive understanding, and they learn more mechanically.. And because of this, it takes them longer to study and they thus, don’t have as much time to learn.


I feel innately worthless without others valuing my talents, experiences, and self-view.


You can say that a social 4 attaches to others in the sense that they are reliant on others to determine their self-worth. Of others accept/value the self-identity a 4 has created for their own self, the social 4 feels less painful emotion of unworthiness. Whereas no one seeing the social 4.. It makes the social 4 disintegrate more to 2, where they will give to get in hopes to be appreciated for who they are, and may result to manipulative tactics for others to be forced to see their self-identity. I’ve done this through making my profile picture of myself crying… I’ve done it through that manipulative probe question I explained yesterday, which then gives me the opportunity to explain, and thus show my self-identity…


A 6 disintegrates to the 3, and also will try impress the community. But unlike the 4, I feel it will base more on outer metrics; NOT an internal self-image.
The unhealthy social 6 would concern with their status in the community, focusing on their reputation so as to not lose the community support…


Just because a 4 is reliant on others for their self-worth amidst ill health, doesn’t mean they aren’t a 4.. This is actually expected for the social variance of a 4, and the 2 line. And it isn’t in an attachment way. The reliance on others is to accept what has been defined in the inner of a 4. An attachment type doesn’t have an internal, independent definition. A social 4 externalizes their own internality, and an attachment type that is social will INTERNALIZE the externalities, because they DO NOT have an inherent grasp of an internality.


2 is an image type that cultivates its sense of self-worth from others. They have an image they want meet up to, but they are always looking for others to reinforce their worth through the acceptance of a lovable persona. And so when a 4 hits 2 qualities, it when especially a social variance, will start looking externally for others to see their own identity as a unique and sensitive person as worthy. Helping behaviors and other manipulative tactics are used to lure in others to have a closer look at the 4’s identity, and if the social 4 can, control the person into seeing their own identity.


I would say the key differences between a social 4 and 6 are:


-The social 4 externalizes their own created identity, and a 6 internalizes external opinions others have to help them have an identity.. And this is why the 6 oscillates if they get around too many people and environments…


-A social 4 when unhealthy isn’t basing on external metrics like a 6 down to 3 would. The 6 is trying gain status and prestige, adapt their identity to the supportive group target, so as to not lose that support (which helps combat anxiety, makes them to feel assured)… The social 4 is trying to get others to accept their own formed view of their self, and is NOT adapting their identity and view; it is remaining.


This all at least is my intuitive understanding…

[Braingel]

Aside from people who are higher in MBTI Ne, the people who are constantly shifting their enneagram, Socionics, and MBTI types very likely have a 6 as their core or second type… Without the presence of a more confident type, like 1, 8, or 4…


Depending upon the group they’re in, they are attaching to it. So if you have.. A 6 core.. Or say, a 9 with a 6 fix (double doubting) who gets active in numerous servers and has opinions strewn left and right.. They will have utmost uncertainty of self.


They will likely go with the group majority, but if they read all these different sources, enter all these various communities.. Their self-typing can change as much can the wind.

[Braingel]

I already have posted how this is enneagram related, but for a reminder:


ID: assertive triad (3, 7, 8 )


Ego: withdrawn triad (4,5, 9)


Super ego: compliant (1, 2, 6)


Ego types test reality…. Which is essentially what I was trying to explain with a social 4 specifically, with the social focus more concerned on if the self-created identity matters to others externally. It isn’t out of character for a social 4 to “test” others to see if their created identity matters (especially if disintegrated to 2, where more manipulative tendencies come about)…


I feel that a social 5 will probably test how well they understand things… They may try and “compete” in a way, not for status, but just as an opportunity to see if their knowledge is superior to others. They may try and join some intellectual group (especially if a wing 6), just to see it their knowledge is more than enough. A 5 that has a 3 or 4 fix second may try and do it for actual competition..


A 9 if they go down to 6, I can see being distrustful of others, and trying to test them to see if they disrupt their inner harmony or not.


9 is an attachment type (and it is the type in the withdrawn triad that disintegrates to an attachment type, which expects given all attachment types integrate and disintegrate into another attachment type)… But these testing behaviors in a 4 or 5 can easily misconstrue as an attachment type if you do not look at their underlying reason behind their behavior.. People may stereotype the social 5 joining a group as being reliant on a support system (a 6 thing).. A social 4 asking probing questions about how others view them (so that they can give the opportunity to show them how they really are, an opportunity to explain) may view as a very 6 thing to do..


If someone is a shitty typist, they never will get into the essence and motivations that underlie a person.. They will make a superficial judgment based on a behavior or two, and then just insist this evidence for their biased view.


The 5 isn’t going to be adopting the beliefs and morals of that social group. The 5 is going to remain detached… The behavior is solely done to test if reality aligns with their own inner ego…


Say if the social 5 joins Mensa, or they join some place where you can practice compete in a sort of group quiz way to test your knowledge level… It isn’t done to have an identity or to be a part of a group.. But it is just for the opportunity to test if their knowledge level is efficient…


Me as a social 4 with the whole typology thing.. I don’t ask others what they “think about me”, but I ask probing questions to sort of make someone think, and so that they will be forced to contemplate and more likely see my self-created image. It isn’t a matter of doubting self, but done to test how well my self-image is seen by other people.
The 4 never changes their self-view; it remains consistent and is already made up/certain on prior to the probing.


A 6 core would join that Mensa group that you may find a social 5 in, to have some sort of “belonging”. As a sort of support system, and place that gives them a sense of identity.. And a 6 who probes questions would do it to attach to the opinion of others and test if their own self-view is right or not… Their mind isn’t made up and will oscillate.


A social 6 will be apart of that group to try and gain supportive contacts to have in a means of crisis they can call upon. They give to the group to guarantee patronage.. They attach to the group as a defense to ascertain support… They subconsciously feel if they are too unlike the others, they will lose that supportive resource. Things that threaten the group (say a competitor to Mensa) would be strictly attacked be tried to take down.


When they get unhealthy and go more down to 3, they would try and get status and prestige by that group’s definition, to elk that they will be kept in that group and not lose that support.


The 5 is detached and just wants look competent. They will do everything they can to look more prestigious. And I can see someone also mistaking this as a 6 disintegrated to the 3. But 5, like the 3, is a competency type. If the social 5 is triple competency, this will be made even more true… I would say the triple competency tritype for a 5, is pretty social in nature, especially with 3 as the secondary type.


There is nothing more painful for a social 4 than having their self-identity criticized or unseen. Their self-identity of a unique, sensitive person, and what they believe makes them that unique, sensitive person…


It is very painful when others try and say my synesthesia and extra sensory perception is not real. I always know it is real… But the denial of something that makes me who I am, and separates me, is painful and a personal attack of my autonomy. I tend to take a “helpful” approach when in stress, and try and push that person to see spiritually, and the motivation is really to get them to see my own self-identity.


When others try and deny my self-typing, it is painful for me. I am not attached to the labels, but I know how I am, and when others fail to see it about me, it is painful. I cry over being mistyped, sometimes. Because it is frustrating how much they don’t see how I am in reality… And it feeds into my whole self-narrative and belief that I am a very misunderstood person. I don’t want to ever be understood, but I just want others to see my traits/identity. Even if they view me negatively and they still see it, I could care less. As an example, I would be happy if someone typed me as a 4, even if they disliked 4. I would be happy if someone hated me as a person, but admitted I am a very gifted writer… I would be very happy if someone admitted I’ve suffered more than most other people, but felt I am “too much” and “toxic” to be around.


As long as the traits I feel separate me from others are acknowledged and valued, I don’t care if I am like or disliked, accepted or rejected. But if these things are rejected, it is the most painful thing for me.


Someone can think me the worst person in this world, and see me as a gifted writer, spiritually attuned person, a 4 (a sensitive and distinct person, doesn’t need to be a 4 literally they see me as), and I will not be affected.
Thinking I am awful without seeing my self-identity will bother me as much as if the traits and identity are directly denied.


I have been misunderstood by many people on Quora. They see me as insensitive (antisocial tendencies) and psychotic.. And this makes me very emotional, because it is completely incongruent with my self-image. There was once a man who was bothered by my content, but at least stated I’m a good writer.. I took it as a complete compliment, with just him alone acknowledging that my ability in written word is distinct.


These whole writing posts to be “helpful” can even be seen as a 2 line behavior.. I am giving to get others to see my own self-image. It’s a 2w3 behavior specifically, not as much as a 2w1..


What people don’t understand is that a 6 if they go about probing others, doesn’t have their mind made up at all. They always oscillate in their views, and it will never align to any consistency. Someone probing who doesn’t have this oscillation, is probably an unhealthy 4 with a 5 or 6 second fix, or a 2 core with a 5 or 6 second fix…


And what people don’t understand, is that non-attachment types can partake in groups. I explained how a social 5 would end up in one..


In a way, the 6 is a very misunderstood type. I do not believe it as misunderstood as the 4.. I have written about it, but someone hacked into my Facebook and deleted that. I am hoping to bring its remembrance through meditative technique, or to get Facebook to investigate (they don’t have a phone line, so it will take time).

Here is my brief contrast to summarize these differences—

5: expands their mind and it isn’t ever really made up, but doesn’t really oscillate in their self-view, and their identity and morals aren’t dependent on some group, system, or concept.. A w6 may infuse some philosophy in there, but it won’t be a reliance of.



Social 6: reliant on a group, organization, support person, or system for their identity. They take the form of what they are in, much as does water. So if they skip around friends or groups, their identity will completely change. And losing a system threatens their certainty, which begets anxiety.


Social 4: Knows who they are. Never questions their self-identity. “Reliant” on others to see their self-image. Sense of self-worth is directly intertwined to how many people can see them as a unique, sensitive person.. Is very sensitive to when others deny their own self-identity (example: a writer’s agent denying their work, a self-typing being denied that the 4 feels symbolizes their sensitivity or uniqueness.. More common in a 6 fixed second 4 for my self-typing example here, which is what I am.. Someone denying extrasensory perception.. Anything that the 4 feels individuates them from others. Can be appearance too. As an example, I have cried when others think my eyes are too dark to be hazel. There are different perceptions of what constitute as hazel eyes, some believe the eyes must predominate green, and have very little brown.. They are more key like green, with maybe 20% brown)..a


There obviously is far more to the 4, 5, and 6, than of this. For this purpose, I only wanted to define what separates an attachment behavior seen within the 6, from a 4 and 5 ego/withdrawn testing behavior. To make it quite of simplicity… There is no attachment in the 4 or 5. It’s an evaluation of reality, of if reality lines up to what they want (what their ego wants). Is the social 5 in reality, a very knowledgeable person? Is the social 4 seen socially as a distinct person and for who they really are?


And again, the 9 I didn’t get into, because it’s an attachment type and has a line to 6. But the 9 will be testing of if people are in reality or not, a threat to their inner security. A 9 detaches and is indifferent and aloof.. But when down to 6, they will be testing what they may have denied. The 9 is the most balanced of any type, so it has less ego /testing than a 4 or 5.


By testing the reality, the ego type will be able to more deliberately move towards it is that they want (more peace; the 9, more knowledge; the 5, a more distinct identity; the 4).

[Braingel]

This will be something I make to the public. I believe DarkAngelFireWolf69 as the enneagram type 6, after some reflection.
Social 5 isn’t impossible for DarkAngelFireWolf69, however, he exhibits many superego and attachment qualities characteristic of a 6.
DarkAngelFireWolf69 appears to be very dedicated to improving humanity, calling his school the humanitarian school of Socionics… He also projects quite a bit, a hallmark of a 6.. He types nearly everyone an LSI or EIE, and projects his own experiences and ideas of those types out unto the other. He clings to Socionics and is attaching to a community to likely ensure his own security. A 6 core would also be far more versed in managing his school than of the withdrawn 5.
Whilst LII has Fe suggestive, DarkAngelFireWolf69 is very public about things that you wouldn’t expect out off the most withdrawn of any type.
Most people have a very superficial understanding of the type 6. It is not just about needing or wanting support; it’s about attaching to something systemic to allow more predictability and a stable sense of self. DarkAngelFireWolf69 even had said he had issues with communicating and attached to the idea that’s apart of him being an LII… He is using a system to predict things in others and to justify things in himself and others..

[Giordano Bruno]

—Why Social 4 can Confuse for a 6–


I feel it is best I break it down, since I wrote such a.. Monstrous post that also turnt into my own life story (always happens)..


But before you continue any further reading this post, read this: https://m.facebook.com/groups/904595...m_source=group


People who don’t have an understanding of that triad do not have an understanding of the enneagram whatsoever. That, along with the intelligence centers, are what makes up each type’s core fear. And.. The enneagram bases on the core fear/ego fixation. So if you don’t have an understanding of that concept, you don’t at all understand the enneagram.


I wanted to talk about how a social 4 may confuse as a 6 by this. I already have written about it, but it is such a big issue, that I feel the need to drill this into the psyches of enneagram enthusiasts.


An attachment type is reliant on others for their identity. It is the external measure and attachment to societal normalcies when social variation is the focus. A social 6 will be dependent on some religion, group, cultural model.. To determine their identity. It can also extend to a systemic metric like typology, but they will be very impressionable to the opinions others have of them and sway. They will oscillate in their self-view…


A social 4 does in a way, look for approval and acceptance.. But rather than the direct acceptance for how they measure up to societal standard and attachment values, it is THEIR OWN ideal and image they have created, they are looking for others to value.


A social 4 as myself will feel worthless if others do not see their self-image.


This sounds attachment-like, and it is this reason why many ignorant and not as intuitively understanding studiers of the enneagram confuse a social 4 for a 6.


I cannot emphasize enough that a social 4 doesn’t rely on others to craft their identity.


I am never looking to be told who I am, attach myself to some crafted label… I constantly look for others who will value the image I’ve made for myself as a broken, spiritually gifted girl.. Who has syntactical giftedness…


A social 4 shouldn’t be that hard to distinguish from a 6, but many people don’t have a good intuitive understanding, and they learn more mechanically.. And because of this, it takes them longer to study and they thus, don’t have as much time to learn.


I feel innately worthless without others valuing my talents, experiences, and self-view.


You can say that a social 4 attaches to others in the sense that they are reliant on others to determine their self-worth. Of others accept/value the self-identity a 4 has created for their own self, the social 4 feels less painful emotion of unworthiness. Whereas no one seeing the social 4.. It makes the social 4 disintegrate more to 2, where they will give to get in hopes to be appreciated for who they are, and may result to manipulative tactics for others to be forced to see their self-identity. I’ve done this through making my profile picture of myself crying… I’ve done it through that manipulative probe question I explained yesterday, which then gives me the opportunity to explain, and thus show my self-identity…


A 6 disintegrates to the 3, and also will try impress the community. But unlike the 4, I feel it will base more on outer metrics; NOT an internal self-image.
The unhealthy social 6 would concern with their status in the community, focusing on their reputation so as to not lose the community support…


Just because a 4 is reliant on others for their self-worth amidst ill health, doesn’t mean they aren’t a 4.. This is actually expected for the social variance of a 4, and the 2 line. And it isn’t in an attachment way. The reliance on others is to accept what has been defined in the inner of a 4. An attachment type doesn’t have an internal, independent definition. A social 4 externalizes their own internality, and an attachment type that is social will INTERNALIZE the externalities, because they DO NOT have an inherent grasp of an internality.


2 is an image type that cultivates its sense of self-worth from others. They have an image they want meet up to, but they are always looking for others to reinforce their worth through the acceptance of a lovable persona. And so when a 4 hits 2 qualities, it when especially a social variance, will start looking externally for others to see their own identity as a unique and sensitive person as worthy. Helping behaviors and other manipulative tactics are used to lure in others to have a closer look at the 4’s identity, and if the social 4 can, control the person into seeing their own identity.


I would say the key differences between a social 4 and 6 are:


-The social 4 externalizes their own created identity, and a 6 internalizes external opinions others have to help them have an identity.. And this is why the 6 oscillates if they get around too many people and environments…


-A social 4 when unhealthy isn’t basing on external metrics like a 6 down to 3 would. The 6 is trying gain status and prestige, adapt their identity to the supportive group target, so as to not lose that support (which helps combat anxiety, makes them to feel assured)… The social 4 is trying to get others to accept their own formed view of their self, and is NOT adapting their identity and view; it is remaining.


This all at least is my intuitive understanding…

Ya, as far as spirit goes, blazing in mountainous fanfare dragon shard plundering and meaning flourishing, the full infinitude of holistic Zen to charms of the lullaby blooming makes spirit and heaven and ladders to promised land roses are silver dream gates crosses the barrier and grants fountains of joy.

[Braingel]

This will be something I make to the public. I believe DarkAngelFireWolf69 as the enneagram type 6, after some reflection.
Social 5 isn’t impossible for DarkAngelFireWolf69, however, he exhibits many superego and attachment qualities characteristic of a 6.
DarkAngelFireWolf69 appears to be very dedicated to improving humanity, calling his school the humanitarian school of Socionics… He also projects quite a bit, a hallmark of a 6.. He types nearly everyone an LSI or EIE, and projects his own experiences and ideas of those types out unto the other. He clings to Socionics and is attaching to a community to likely ensure his own security. A 6 core would also be far more versed in managing his school than of the withdrawn 5.
Whilst LII has Fe suggestive, DarkAngelFireWolf69 is very public about things that you wouldn’t expect out off the most withdrawn of any type.
Most people have a very superficial understanding of the type 6. It is not just about needing or wanting support; it’s about attaching to something systemic to allow more predictability and a stable sense of self. DarkAngelFireWolf69 even had said he had issues with communicating and attached to the idea that’s apart of him being an LII… He is using a system to predict things in others and to justify things in himself and others..

There has been a bit of confusion on what I mean by how DarkAngelFireWolf69 is public (on Facebook, where I shared my sedecology analysis).. I do not mean that he engages private information in publicity. That’s actually an anti 6 behavior, sharing personal information, the 6 fearing it can against them use.. What I mean is that he is asking for the opinions of other people on his personal Facebook to validate the validity of his own systemic takes. If you read his Facebook, you will find numerous times of him asking others for their input about the types… This behavior is extremely attachment-like, and a 5 being a withdrawn type would if they need accumulate information from others, go behind the scenes to accrue such info. They’re a competency and withdrawn type unlike the 6.. I also find it difficult to see the most introversive of any type, have a regular willingness to engage the mass. A social variance of the 5 will have willingness to sometimes, but a regular engagement of community, interacting with various people.. To spread a systemic ideology.. This behavior is incongruent with the 5.
It’s clear to me that DarkAngelFireWolf69 is characterized by a sense of duty. A 512 (with their compliant influences) can characterize by a degree of this, but they will be much more withdrawn, less into the bright light to be seen. They won’t as religiously devote and attach to the system, nor will they routinely ask for the input of a made community.. He is asking others who support his own ideology, to validate his ideology… A 5 already assumes their insights valid.