Former Attorney General William Barr said that Trump's claims of voter fraud were "bullshit."
Ivanka Trump said that she respected Barr and "accepted what he was saying" about the election.
Trump spokesman Jason Miller said the campaign data person told Trump in "pretty blunt terms that he was going to lose."
And the committee cited testimony from Trump campaign lawyer Alex Cannon, who testified he told Meadows by "mid-to-late November" that the campaign had come up empty trying to find widespread fraud in key states that Trump lost. Cannon said Meadows responded to his assessment by saying, "So there's no there there."
I wonder how her creepy, paedophilic dad is going to feel about Ivanka's betrayal.
Ivanka is the only person whom he even marginally cares about, but even that could change if his dementia gets worse. Narcissists don't have friends and they hate themselves, so how do you think they feel about other people?
If you agree with a narcissist's gaslighting, or indicate that you like the narcissist, or even if you just suck up to them for personal gain, they conclude that you are sucking up to a person who is despicable (themselves, that is) and you, by your actions, are also despicable and contemptible.
I've said this before. I discovered at a very young age that my narcissist mother didn't love me. She simply tolerated my existence as long as I provided her with her narcissistic supply, and she made it clear that I was disposable if I didn't toe the line. Ivanka is in the same position. Jared might also be in that boat, but he is just a spineless weasel.
Sort of like the way you feel about that old sweater of yours, but you might like the sweater more than he likes Ivanka. Because you aren't as sick as he is.
You know, my father hated war, because he got to experience two of them up close and personal.
I hate narcissists for the same reason. Narcissists destroy everyone and everything they touch.
Does anyone honestly believe the committee will be fair and nonpartisan?
This is the same as Russiagate: some conspiracy theory based on absolutely nothing, and transparently just a partisan attack.
It sounds ridiculous if you actually say what you mean: the Republican (or Russian lol) plan to overthrow the government of the US was sending a relatively small group of unarmed obese herd animals to be allowed by police into one of the most surveilled and guarded places on earth. Fascism was then only narrowly averted on account of the police shooting a 35-year-old woman.
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If those two are using the opportunity to condemn the show trial, I haven't seen it, but it A) it wouldn't mean anything -- about half the country already thinks it's a farce, and nothing is going to change that; B) the mainstream media here would devote 10x the coverage to le epic "betrayal" of Trump (as if those two aren't sociopaths and are acting from some deep-felt sense of propriety) to any criticism, however justified, of the committee.
LIVE: Footage played in Thursday’s hearing showed a meeting between Enrique Tarrio, the leader of the far-right Proud Boys, and Stewart Rhodes, the leader of the anti-government Oathkeepers militia on the eve of Jan 6.
"Well, it's inevitable what's gonna happen. We just gotta do it as a team, together, strong, hard, fast."
"And one of us has to take that dump on Pelosi's desk."
By the way, did you know that before January 6th, the FBI had at least 4 top-level informants in the Proud Boys?
Did you know that Enrique Tarrio has a history of being an informant for law enforcement?
So it's strange how the "stupidity" of intelligence agencies has a strange way of always working in their favor. The FBI "failed" to stop a group of people from co-ordinating to enter the Capitol on Jan. 6th. These people, despite supposedly being violent extremists who managed to outsmart the FBI, accomplished nothing and hurt no one in power, and the only political result of the event was that the same political group which had previously been the greatest protesters of police brutality and were saying things like "all cops are bastards" suddenly came to support the FBI and fetishize the political process they'd been beginning to question.
You might notice similar results from other "failures" of intelligence in recent decades.
Last edited by FreelancePoliceman; 06-11-2022 at 01:12 AM.
Would it have been constitutional? No.
Could it have nevertheless been exploited for some tangible or intangible electoral gain? Possibly. According to a federal judge, Trump did try to rig the election in several ways (https://abcn.ws/3xkhFZ6). Using Mike Pence to ratify a different result is one of them.
If they had any such plan, they would not have shown up with no guns.It's very conceivable that the rioters could have strong-armed Pence to ratify a different result.
Oh yes, an FBI honeypot was there. That is the function of the Proud Boys. They are not a group of dangerous white supremacists; they are a group controlled by the FBI and dangerous because they are intelligence assets.(the Proud Boys were there, for one thing)
Evidence?Oh yes, an FBI honeypot was there. That is the function of the Proud Boys. They are not a group of dangerous white supremacists; they are a group controlled by the FBI and dangerous because they are intelligence assets.
1) I already posted evidence that the Proud Boys' leadership is FBI assets, 2) no one in power was threatened 3) the FBI had everything to gain by this operation and Trumpists and/or white supremacists had nothing to gain by it, 4) intelligence has been using radical groups to further the ends of the security state for decades.Evidence?
If it looks like it's an intelligence operation and it acts exactly like an intelligence operation and the leaders of the movement are intelligence assets then it probably isn't a grassroots protest.
It's perfectly fair to claim that intelligence agencies do exploit radical groups. I'll buy that, and I can even buy the possibility that there were agent provocateurs acting on behalf of some shady political agency. But, having read your sources, I didn't get the impression that the entire riot was astroturfed.
It seems hard to believe that the "Trumpist" element wasn't at least somewhat genuine. I could be wrong. Maybe we should set up a committee to investigate.
Everyone is under surveillance. This fucking forum is under surveillance. Almost every tech company rolls over to give the NSA anything they please. If you think that a group of stupid rural people nearly pulled off a coup against the US government by Facebook Messenger you are delusional. Every meaningful political movement and quite a few that aren't meaningful is infiltrated and nearly always defused into either performative uselessness or to directly serve intelligence. In the UK there were recently revelations that every even vaguely left-wing group in the country, including vegan and animal rights activist groups filled with nothing but old women, had been infiltrated by police. The US which spends truckloads more on its intelligence is doing something with that money, and it's not sitting back and watching the Capitol get burned to the ground.
Instead, what happens is that the anti-police movement is defused, because people like you are led to believe there are evil uneducated (the horror!) white supremacists on the brink of taking over the state, and thank God the FBI is investigating this threat and speaking of God let's affirm the sanctity of liberal democracy that the Capitol represents.
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We'll know for sure when FBI agents start reporting brain aneurysms from being here.This fucking forum is under surveillance.
If you believe this had anything to do with the Proud Boys, please read this article and tell me that Enrique Tarrio is not a fed.
I don't believe that liberal democracy is the be-all and end-all of political philosophies. The capitol (and its denizens, especially) almost certainly should not be sanctified. I don't care for sappy, sentimental propaganda, and I'm certainly not here to propagandize on behalf of politicians. What I do believe is that mob rule is far worse than the alternative, and that it is mob anonymity that allows provocateurs to flourish in the first place.
As for "defunding the police", I've never agreed with that. Without the police, law enforcement would be taken over by the Boogaloo Boys or other self-appointed vigilantes. And instead of hundreds of Derek Chavins, we'd get thousands of George Zimmermans.
We'd get Christian fundamentalists driving around with gun racks, enforcing arbitrary religious laws. The rich would hire private security to patrol their gated communities, fortified by walls and surrounded with barbed wire. The police are at least under civil control, and their actions can be constrained, monitored and disclosed to the public.
Again, I'm not American, my country's police are less negligent or violent (although definitely not entirely), and maybe I'm not seeing everything.
I don't know who planned the riots (or whether they were even planned before Jan. 6th as opposed to happening spontaneously). I wasn't there. But putting immediate blame on the FBI seems a bit bold, especially given the fact that Trump has a gift for rabble rousing, has some rather angry followers (with some legitimate grievances, I'd add), and was already on his way out.
FBI looks down on ppl who get traumatised working for them trying to solve cp cases, if they seek therapy/help
the nature of the agency suggest they are conservatives anyway.
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Last year, Senate Republicans blocked the creation of an independent commission for Jan. 6th: https://www.senate.gov/legislative/L...17_1_00218.htm
So the House established a select committee instead: https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-...ution/503/text
Pelosi gave McCarthy the power to nominate 5 Republicans for the committee. His nominations included Jim Jordan and Jim Banks. Jordan and Banks objected to certifying the election results on January 6th. Furthermore, Jordan privately called Trump and spoke with him at length on the morning of the insurrection. He also met with Trump back in Dec. 2020 to discuss plans for overturning the election results on Jan. 6 (https://www.politico.com/news/2020/1...lection-449787).
Pelosi rejected McCarthy’s nomination for Jordan and Banks for the reasons outlined above, and McCarthy pulled all five Republican nominees in response. https://www.speaker.gov/newsroom/72121-2
Having no Republican nominations from McCarthy, Pelosi appoints two Republicans to the panel herself: https://apnews.com/article/capitol-s...ffb4042f9bd5db
So yeah, if you’re wondering why Adam Kinzinger and Liz Cheney are the only two Republicans on the panel, that’s why.
Or we help the "normies" along and force them to realize that such a thing actually exists. Their gut reactions will do the rest as they then automatically go on what would amount to a justified and actually accurate witch hunt.
I've mentioned it before but, well, protestants really do fuck it all up. No true witch can pass a witch test. They literally cannot, even mockingly, utter a sequence of words that amounts to confessing that Jesus is the Christ and God has risen him from the dead.
It never occurred to the puritan witch hunters to even try that before condemning innocent folks to death. Their faith was, ironically enough, lacking.
Now imagine you had some form of faith in your own government's institutions. Yeah, that's now been shattered in the worst way. Now imagine a person who didn't break but rather got rather fucking angry about that.
If I have not spelled it out before this post I'll do so now. Terms like "Conservative", "-Istaphobe", "X-supremecist", etc. are in truth simply another term for "Heretic". Those folks are daring to utter a heresy. A heresy against the Globalist "Gospel". A Gospel that is ultimately Satanic.
The devil is real and he rules the world. Too bad for him Christ is king of the universe and while the devil indeed is enjoying his hour to the fullest he cries in agony at the fast approaching dawn of God's full day...
Isn't Fox News part of the mainstream media? Tucker Carlson is a deep state agent, y'all.
As a representative of the FBI proud boys deep state liberal establishment, I'm begging you guys, please, stop having opinions. It's hurtful, bad for you health, and makes everyone you talk to not like you.
There is a strong incentive to claim there was no voter fraud.
To tie all this back in with the events of January 6th and the committee deliberations, I have little faith the committee will find anything close to the truth. They might brush against it, come close to it, but they won't quite hit the mark. I'm also struggling to care or find significance in the January 6th riot. I don't see how it benefited Trump, I think it's easy to see how his words played right into the hands of hindsight analysis and so the media just went with the low hanging fruit. Was it a covert action by government provocateurs? Maybe. I'm not dismissing that idea completely. We've been doing shit like this in other countries for decades, the CIA alone has had a lot of time to perfect and hone the craft (although they are not always successful, as we saw in Venezuela). I'm not saying the CIA is behind this, their focus is international, not domestic. I don't know who is responsible. I, too, however, am suffering from fatigue. I see the footage of the riot, but the weight of the matter fails to land with me. I guess I'm desensitized by the years (at this point) of BLM riot footage, it just doesn't deliver the amount of shock and hype to my system that people are trying to convey.
Tucker knows exactly what he's saying. He's been the person he is for a long, long time.