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    https://www.wikisocion.net/en/index.php/Crosstypes

    The crosstype hypothesis was first put forward by C.G. Jung in Psychological Types. Jung noted the existence of individuals who possessed "undifferentiated" functions whose states were fused with another function. Jung suggested two kinds of such unions, those of the thinking and feeling (rational) functions and those of rational functions with irrational functions. (intuition and sensation)
    If I read into this correctly it is as if Base, Suggestive interplay has developed to a point where the person possesses significant degree of semi-dual qualities. At least it seems to be one of the easiest of the pairings.

    How should this manifest?
    Base information predominates but suggestive follows along quite seamlessly (some sort of fingerprinting like temperament helps to separate the type). Creative/Demonstrative interplay should already resemble each other but the stress of an outcome is still placed on the valued function [EIE would use macabre humor and LII would paint fantastic visions].

    Any connection to DCNH or accentuation?
    Could be.

    Some people that comes to my mind:
    Jeff Bezos (ILI: Se excitable business conqueror), Brian Cox (LII: Fe passionate physicist), Me (EIE: lots of Ti logic whoring) .

    Any other function pairings?
    Is Elon Musk one of those people?
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    There is the notion "Self-Dualisation" so maybe there is something there

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    There is a similar thing pointed out by Talanov when he talks about "borderline types" there are some types who can be a hybrid of their dual type. This is a very interesting concept to me.

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    Would be nice to read what Jung really wrote. Do you know on what page?
    The decisive thing is not the reality of the object, but the reality of the subjective factor, i.e. the primordial images, which in their totality represent a psychic mirror-world. It is a mirror, however, with the peculiar capacity of representing the present contents of consciousness not in their known and customary form but in a certain sense sub specie aeternitatis, somewhat as a million-year old consciousness might see them.

    (Jung on Si)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tallmo View Post
    Would be nice to read what Jung really wrote. Do you know on what page?
    It was not described.
    It would be nice to know. A simple deduction from multiple sources led me to this.
    Base-Role interplay would be unlikely. It is essentially a switch and not "parallel". Base and Suggestive would work better together.
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    So if I'm bad you'll post another cute picture of yourself?

    Holy fuck I'm an an asshole. I went to ask my Jung ILE friend if he knew anything about cross types and I saw he wished me happy holidays and I'd ignored him. He might not respond.

    He answered me and asked me to send the link. I did. He's wonderful and I'm an asshole.

    Wonderful person, genius ILE.

    He types me ILI lol He loves Ni doms.

    tbh I didn't send a link. I just texted him the info you wrote. I TRUST what you wrote was legit..........
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sanguine Miasma View Post
    It was not described.
    It would be nice to know. A simple deduction from multiple sources led me to this.
    Base-Role interplay would be unlikely. It is essentially a switch and not "parallel". Base and Suggestive would work better together.
    There is no mention of "cross-types" in the index of the book. But in the Definitions section he talks maybe about something similar under "Differentiation". I think this could be the original source of your quote?
    The decisive thing is not the reality of the object, but the reality of the subjective factor, i.e. the primordial images, which in their totality represent a psychic mirror-world. It is a mirror, however, with the peculiar capacity of representing the present contents of consciousness not in their known and customary form but in a certain sense sub specie aeternitatis, somewhat as a million-year old consciousness might see them.

    (Jung on Si)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tallmo View Post
    There is no mention of "cross-types" in the index of the book. But in the Definitions section he talks maybe about something similar under "Differentiation". I think this could be the original source of your quote?
    Ok. To me it appears bit different. In this context Gulenko seems to assign problems with opposite directions of the same function for example Ni vs Ne.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sanguine Miasma View Post
    Ok. To me it appears bit different. In this context Gulenko seems to assign problems with opposite directions of the same function for example Ni vs Ne.
    In that short quote from wikisocion they mention undifferentiated functions, and Jung certainly talks about that. But that's just a primitive state. I think they just picked something from Jung and gave it a fancy name. But it's a little hard to know what they actually mean, if they mean anything.

    I searched some more and in section "The principal and auxiliary function" Jung writes:

    Naturally only those functions can appear as auxiliary whose nature is not opposed to the leading function. For instance, feeling can never act as the second function by the side of thinking, because its nature stands in too strong a contrast to thinking. Thinking, if it is to be real thinking and true to its own principle, must scrupulously exclude feeling. This, of course, does not exclude the fact that individuals certainly exist in whom thinking and feeling stand upon the same level, whereby both have equal motive power in consciousness. But, in such a case, there is also no question of a differentiated type, but merely of a relatively undeveloped thinking and feeling. Uniform consciousness and unconsciousness of functions is, therefore, a distinguishing mark of a primitive mentality.
    The decisive thing is not the reality of the object, but the reality of the subjective factor, i.e. the primordial images, which in their totality represent a psychic mirror-world. It is a mirror, however, with the peculiar capacity of representing the present contents of consciousness not in their known and customary form but in a certain sense sub specie aeternitatis, somewhat as a million-year old consciousness might see them.

    (Jung on Si)

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    aww man. Now my ILE friend who has read all of Jung's work is like "can you direct me to where you read that?"

    He's not going to know what the heck wikisocion is.

    I'm just going to say "Well a person on a forum thought it was in Psychological Types, but they read it on Wikipedia"

    Or I could tell him what wikisocion is. *sigh*

    I can already hear the scolding tone I'm about to get....
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    *Big Edit : Erase a part of the text because off topic (bla bla about Jung) !

    https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.../n567/mode/2up

    I think stuff like synesthesia, chromesthesia, and misidentification of sensations (?) are evoked by Jung here. I think it's more in the realm of neuropsychological disorders than Function related. It's more a confusion than a fusion. Some people have an odd brain wiring which activates brain area of pleasure while being painfully stimulated. Neuroimaging has given an "empirical" explanation for masochism**. Keep in mind that unlike Jung at his time, we see those phenomenon with our modern knowledge and technology.

    Imho, being almost as competent in our 4D conscious function as in our 1D unconscious function is inconsistent with the Model A and to some degree Model G. We acquire throughout our life, experiences in our DS function in contact with its IE domains weather from the dual itself or indirectly. I would say that it is easier with modern days technology to be "self-dualized" then let's say 100 years ago. After all Socionics is about informations and the access to any informations has never been easier than today. We can fall in addiction of our DS function domain especially if it is available "wild and free". Solitude, isolation and depression are increasing as informations and the data are taking the world over. Maybe Self-duality is the highway to insanity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tallmo View Post
    In that short quote from wikisocion they mention undifferentiated functions, and Jung certainly talks about that. But that's just a primitive state. I think they just picked something from Jung and gave it a fancy name. But it's a little hard to know what they actually mean, if they mean anything.

    I searched some more and in section "The principal and auxiliary function" Jung writes:
    Well, this is probably it. I'd say that these people have spread out towards demonstrative/creative. I find it questionable to become your base. For example accentuated introverted creative function longs for introverted suggestive function (if strong it aims to self semi-dualize).
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    Quote Originally Posted by chriscorey View Post
    So if I'm bad you'll post another cute picture of yourself?

    Probably
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    I think I get into Ep energy when the mood strikes. Previous medication- got me into soft Fi very Ip mode

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    Some people are not crosstyped because their signs are in harmony or are mostly in not too contrasting places. Location and culture are also a factor when it comes to this crosstyping. This is in general just inducing another personality to survive. It’s like that movie I’ve watched where she actually has a scary twin at the back of head. Shit’s funny but don’t watch it because it’s a regrettable film

    Forgot to mention, you can always crosstype or whatever we call it even without being pushed by culture. Self-dualization can be good and very easy and very fun. Unless you wanna just get a dual to save you. Shots fired bang bang not talking about people who just love their duals and who actually are trying to work on their shit

    Now I don’t really get why you would induce Ejness in you when you are a cool Ip like me unless it’s for self-development and learning but go do your thing I guess. I know I keep on saying I wanna be a dominant dictator always but dw it’s a joke that comes from boredom and frustration. Life’s frustrating let’s just do more and be a dominatrix. Moment of weakness kind of shit. I’m happy rn so you won’t hear that from me. Aside from that random TMI I would say that it’s much harder than getting to an Ep state and it could wreck you a bit

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    I'm starting to think and ok maybe you might be wanting to impress an Ij type or any other people that's why you wanna wear an Ej suit or some other suit. Now I don't know whether to appreciate the effort bec that's difficult as fuck or just be sad about it. Haven't tried to change DCNH deliberately for someone but I do have my experiences of masking for other people. At some point you just make your soul ascend from your body, stare at that meat suit and shout: that person's never coming back!!!! never coming back no matter what you do and if they do they will just like the acting not the real you so just stop. They will never like you for who you are!!! Very very sad moment, I'd cry rn if I could but you'll learn eventually to do something else with your time
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    i might be one of those.
    i had difficulty differentiating whether im an F or T type for a long time
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    My ILE Jungian friend doesn't remember reading anything about cross types. He's going to look though.

    What I remember is that they made MBTI look dumb. Something about psychosis.

    My psychologist friend uses Jung, not socionics, to dx her patients...
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