LSI/EIE - Typing Parameters

[Lesri]

Disclaimer: This topic presents specific examples that summarize a common way of typing for the exponents of this Quadra. The examples covered concern the manga Berserk, Death Note and Dragonball. Don't read if you want to avoid spoilers.

A user of this forum made me think of a dilemma that I have been having for a while. This is the perception that people have of two members of the Beta Quadra: LSI and EIE. It seemed to me that people tend to use different parameters to define them, and often they don't match in my opinion, and this ends in confusing one for another. Throughout my life I have known so many LSIs that I have been able to fathom their entire psychology (maybe), so I want to share my thoughts. Let's look.

Light Yagami (Death Note) and Zamasu (DragonBall) are both LSI-typed.
They have solid objectives, often of a moralistic and idealistic nature (up to excesses that makes them "mad"). They manage to take advantage of the contexts and are always extremely ready to fight back and plan. They do not dwell on contemplation, but act. They are both considered LSI. I therefore thought that it was normal for this type to have extreme "ideals" often of an extremely pragmatic nature but with a superficial (but strongly felt?) ethics:
- "I kill all the bad guys so there won't be any more"
- "the races that make war with each other do not deserve to exist, so I will erase them"
Although they have no religious content, they still seem to form an ethics that starts from the practical. Still, they fall under LSI category. I had once an LSI friend who was identical to both, with the same kind of fake "ethics" drive.

The difference with EIEs could be that they do the opposite: from the ethical side (more complex and caleidoscopic) they pass to the practical, spending more time in contemplation. But, there are EIE typed characters online who not only don't seem similar to others EIE-typed, but they also seem to have no trace of a deep ethics. Is the difference in the intensity of the moral ethical value of the goal? Or their skill in inspiring others?

On another post I made the exemple of Griffith, a character which is typed EIE, but it is not only similiar to LSIs, but has way less ethics than the previous character I spoke about, still he is typed Fe dom:

He is always taking advantages bypassing morals and didn't give importance to people lives. I knew Ti-Se/Se-Ti were kinda good with hierarchy and related things.
I cannot see any trace of ethics or idealistic purpose in this character. Its dream is so aseptic that is hard for me to see some Fe. It's just "I want to be a king", nor because he wants to make people live better under his command, nor for other ideals (religious etc). Also it seems people follow him more for his results rather than words.

Let's settle this down, adding something to the argument:
Ti-Se: Logic which seeks hierarchy power.

He is always taking advantages bypassing morals and didn't give importance to people lives. He has a natural predisposition to command and is able to assert himself easily, without spending too much time in contemplation.

Ni Hidden Agenda: Strong desire and goals which very often are related to the past.

His dream probably arose from the condition of poverty that he lived in the past, therefore not from some kind of external objective morality. Griffith is always shown as a child watching the castle, wanting to make it his own

Demonstrative Si: Good ability to demonstrate calmness, hiding Machiavellian thoughts and intentions.

Griffith is capable of displaying calm and focus, albeit hiding intentions of control.

Ne Polr: Don't accept something that goes out of schedule.

The only moment in which he loses his temper is due to an unforeseen event (Guts's leaving), which awakens his role function. An important piece of his army, a war machine, is no longer under his control. His attempts at planning failed in a single day.

Fi Role: Control freaks of loved ones. When the power stops affecting people who he "loves", he becomes overly possessive (Role function: overreacting function), and such behaviors are revealed externally. Inability to let someone go and leave his control.

"if I can't having you, I'd rather kill you ". He wants to have power and control over everyone, and when he loses it he is possessive. He is not happy that a friend is pursuing his personal path (which he values ​​it in his eyes). Guts was such an object of desire to him that it seems impossible to me to consider Griffith a Fi Ignoring, because EIEs they are particularly aloof with Fi.

Te ignoring, from the sociotype site:

The individual is adept at finding external sources of factual information and confident in his ability to evaluate their value, but regards collecting data as secondary to making them fit into a consistent logical system. To him, listing facts without analyzing their relationships is a trivial and boring exercise. He values efficiency and productivity but is skeptical that they will be achieved if one's actions and process do not follow a clear procedure.

Any LSI that I have known has always been ready to exploit friendships and people to have some control of contexts or to see their dreams come true, often simply related to the hierarchical aspect. For example, they try to keep anyone in check when they can, so that they depend on them. Often their dreams are linked (in my experience) to the past: ancient enemies are not forgotten, and become justifications for future malice. Still, the condition that one had as a child is translated into the present, so a poor boy may want to become rich at all costs, as if it were a redemtpion of his condition. I have observed this dynamic in all the LSIs I know. Isn't that exactly Griffith?

I don't understand why griffith is typed EIE in this way, whereas a Light Yagami, which demonstrates a somewhat idealistic desire, ends up typed LSI and not EIE. My talk is about highlighting the differences that occur in the typing of this type of characters. I don't consider either Zamasu or Light Yagami EIEs, but for the same reasons I can't consider Griffith either.

[EUDAEMONIUM]

Ah it finally makes sense why I identified with him all this time.

[Lesri]

Glad it helped!
This was very important to me. Among all socionics type, those two were the only ones I see very often confused for their duals.
You will hardly see a character typed both ESE or LII, EII or LSE etc., while it happens a lot for EIEs and LSIs.
I made some research and the same characters I spoke about were typed both EIEs or LSIs by a lot of users.
There are lots of bias in general regarding dominant Fe of EIEs, maybe because every totalitarisms points towards an EIE propaganda illusion to mask a SLE purpose.