Have you ever clashed with someone who should've been a favorable relation socionically?

[Averroes]

I used to work for a domineering hilary clinton-esque Se-LSI So/Sp small business owner and I felt like I developed mommy issues just from my 7 months there (whcih probably says a lot about me). It was like having a narcissistic parent that I was constantly disappointing and owed my existence to just because she was providing me with a below market salary with no benefits or overtime pay

Everything from her community board Karen-tier opinions, yelling at delivery guys for standing in front of her (dad's) building for too long, her use of endearing terms to address me only when other people were around, and constant bragging about working 200 hours a week because she runs a dated and inefficient practice and can't keep employees put me off on a visceral level, although I'm sure to many people she just seems like a strong, powerful woman that ought to be admired

[Shazaam]

I used to work for a domineering hilary clinton-esque Se-LSI So/Sp small business owner and I felt like I developed mommy issues just from my 7 months there. It was like having a narcissistic parent that I was constantly disappointing and owed my existence to just because she was providing me with a below market salary with no benefits or overtime pay

Small business owners are often like this- I think they have delusions of grandeur their company will be the next big thing and they will like be able to surf with celebrities but really owning a small business is often just a lot of work to have a kind of upper middle class lifestyle that probably isn't as good as they want it and they can easily take out their disappointments on minimum wage employees etc.

It's the american dream though and I don't want to take that from anybody but like- I think people definitely need more realistic expectations when they start, and they often go through a lot of owners too in my experience and all the owners just tend to get fed up it's not making the money they want it to, and it's often too naive a dream they will do it out of the love and joy of it- but really, there needs to be more of that anyway even though it's a business.

To answer your question - I think socionics basically is about information metaboism and how effectively information gets relayed to a recipient- feelings of affection and likeability aren't often that type related to me. And quadra clashes happen more with people not persons - if that makes sense.

[Averroes]

Not sure why she does that to herself. She could be making the same kind of money with a better work life balance as a tenured CFO or controller somewhere. That's a lot more glamorous than running an excel sweatshop

[Shazaam]

Yeah one thing I never envied about small business owners is that while they get to take out their frustrations on 'The Help' in many ways- but the public gets to take their frustrations out on them. If something is wrong or assumed-to-be-wrong with their product, they are the ones that hear about it and might even get sued by sue-hungry Karens etc and they often get burnt out and annoyed having to deal with that ime. "May I talk to the manager" is often really just "May I talk to the small business owner" and they're like 'oh shit not again. Please just give me your money and GO AWAY' but owning a small business sadly- that's all part of it. Unless maybe you want to hire a customer service representative maybe but when ur small I don't think you can do that much? ((or maybe u can- ahh Te lol)) and they will just want to go straight to the owner anyway. Because you know, it is small.

[Lord Pixel]

Me and my dad clashed most of my life and he's in my quadra. Also clashed really bad with semi duals before. On an opposite note I've been good friends with a conflictor for a year and a half now.

[Toro]

I worked with an ESI once, she was a very organized and disciplined person and worked hard at everything she did. She and I agreed on a lot so conversations went well. However, there were some points where things started to break down. First of all, her hard-working nature came with a natural competitiveness and need for one-upmanship. Which is fine but it became petty with everyone on the team.

If someone pronounced a word wrong, if someone said something not exactly accurate, if someone left their desk too messy, she had to say something about it. She also would interrupt people constantly to add her opinion which was usually antagonistic to what others were saying. It would bring the conversation to a screeching halt. The rest of the team was Ne/Si types. It was a team of 6 people, IEE, ESE, LII, SEI, then her and I (the two gammas lol).

When we ventured out with the rest of our department, for example, we all went out for drinks. She would do the same and other types could handle her abrasive nature much better, but in our team, she would terrorize the team by making them uncomfortable with her strongly negative ethical assessments about people.

As I side note, now that I'm thinking about it, there was a time when a young lawyer from the legal department came by. I immediately could tell he was LIE. The ESI had a crush on him and the SEI couldn't stand him lol.

[Armitage]

I get along great with fellow healthy LIEs, but no other type has made my life worse than the two unhealthy ones I met. Unhealthy LIEs tend to make everything into a struggle for power. One guy initially listened to my perspective, but had already decided himself the leader. Things broke down when I realized that he actually wasn't willing to take my needs into consideration. It turned out that he tried to optimize the happiness of the group, even if at the expense of some persons, eventually he came up with another solution, but this time he would sacrifice me for this. He was heavy on the Te, trying to solve everything with organization only. His goal was to keep a mismatched group together that in hindsight better had disbanded a long time ago. In the end I was glad that the LIE had decided that there was no space for me on the bonding holiday, because I got my money back, whereas the others had the worst holiday of their lifetime. One guy believed it a good idea to bring his ex-girlfriend with him, whon his back then best friend started flirting with. Another guy, who believed himself the first guy's best friend throw out all the belongings of the "best friend" and the ex. The ex-boyfriend was thereafter locked outside of the holiday home at night by his former best friend. The LIE ended up crying after his perfect plans fell apart. There also was a sycophant LSI who thought this group to be his step towards popularity, boy was that a disappointment for him. And one normal SEE, who had nothing to do with all that shit, but still got involved in it by merely being there.

And guess who they started calling when shit hit the fan? Yes, the guy that the LIE leader had decided was no place for on the holiday. Little did he know that all this time I had taken the role of peacemaker onto me, so the moment he ditched me, things fell apart into utter chaos. In hindsight, I should have let them figure out the mess they created by themselves, instead of mediating the situation, because after I spent weeks of my vacation calming most everyone done, they had no use for me any longer and ditched me again. After that I permanently broke off contact with any and all of them with the single exception of the normal SEE. I have better people to hang out with and thus haven't looked back on that decision ever since.

Another unhealthy LIE was a fellow psychology student whom I ended up with in my bachelor project group. She was interested in politics as well, which made me believe we would get along great! But little could be further from the truth, as her interest in politics was fed by a need for control, instead of an interest in and of itself like it is for me. This female LIE ruled with an iron fist and told me how I should do my programming, despite not knowing anything about coding herself. She just wanted me to keep the coding as simple as possible, so she could continue supervising me, if I would complicate it any further, she would lose track otherwise.
When I was helping a fellow bachelor project student with the statistics that she had to do for her paper, she admitted being a little afraid of the female LIE.
I still cannot believe the guts of the female LIE after all the fights she started with me about my code, she sent me a LinkedIn invitation slightly less than a year later. Probably she tries setting up as big a social network as possible, in order to further her political career. I accepted her invitation, because I prefer burying the hatchet, but I do not desire any further contact with her than that.

Much rather will I solve the computer problems of a SEI again, than once more having to go up against any unhealthy LIE.

[Karbonkel]

That was an interesting read Armitage, as for myself, I clashed a few times with an LSE-Te teammember, as the dude literally possessed no chill and would flare up every second sentence. I could tell one needed kitten gloves Fi patience to handle his straightforwardness, something which I wasn't always willing to do since I'm a guy myself and have to defend my masculinity in someway :0 He was a good guy within and I very much respected his drive and work ethic (he pushed through writing the boring report), but communication was really tense. Makes me realize how much the (DCHN?) subtypes matter when dealing with ppl, since I got along greatly with a Harmonizing LSE.

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