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    Default How NeFx (ENFP) uses valued Ne (1), Fi (2), Te (5), Si (6), and unvalued Fe (3), Ni (4), Se (7), Ti (8).

    Slot in brackets.

    I also mention the tension between NF and EP esp when E7 fixated.

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    @Ben Vaserlan

    LII is Ti-Ne, ENFP is Ne-Fi, ... - without variations

    your type is ENTP / ILE , but not INTJ / LII
    without correct own type you are doubtful to understand good IR and values. while it's the main what Socionics has

    the current avatar may relate to role Se

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    @Ben Vaserlan

    LII is Ti-Ne, ENFP is Ne-Fi, ... - without variations

    your type is ENTP / ILE , but not INTJ / LII
    without correct own type you are doubtful to understand good IR and values. while it's the main what Socionics has

    the current avatar may relate to role Se
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    Jung about people with such _leading_ functions in "Psychological Types", chapter 10.
    Te, Fe : 5. Recapitulation of Extroverted Rational Types
    "I term the two preceding types rational or judging types because they are characterized by the supremacy of the reasoning and the judging functions."
    Se, Ne : 10. Recapitulation of Extroverted Irrational Types
    "I call the two preceding types irrational for reasons already referred to; namely, because their commissions and omissions are based not upon reasoned judgment but upon the absolute intensity of perception."
    Ti, Fi : 5. Recapitulation of Introverted Rational Types
    "Both the foregoing types are rational, since they are founded upon reasoning, judging functions."
    Si, Ni : 10. Recapitulation of Introverted Irrational Types
    "To the same degree as they fail to understand themselves because they very largely lack judgment they are also powerless to understand why they are so constantly undervalued by public opinion."
    11. The Principal and Auxiliary Functions
    "Neither intuition nor sensation are antagonistic to thinking, i.e. they have not to be unconditionally excluded, since they are not, like feeling, of similar nature, though of opposite purpose, to thinking - for as a judging function feeling successfully competes with thinking - but are functions of perception, affording welcome assistance to thought."
    Resume: "Judging" / "judgement" and "rational" Jung used for same functions and types, - in general, without destinctions for extraverted or introverted types.
    As the opposing terms "perception" was used with "irrational" for same functions and types.

    MBTI related texts have nonsense mistake against Jung's theory.
    It's claimed there that people having judging function as leading - also have perceiving dominating trait, when they also have introvertion. And the same for introverted people with leading perceiving function having judging behavior trait.
    This mistake is based on either Jung's misspelling somewhere or wrong interpretation/translation. While to reject this mistake there are clear places.
    MBTI authors claimed following Jung but not rejecting Jung theory basics, so they also could not use _same terms_ for different. At least, without pointing on this significant contradition to Jung.
    In practice of Socionics is used _the same_ behavioral trait of people as J/P in MBTI test under name rationality/irrationality. This behavior is seen for people having as leading rational (J) and irrational (P) functions, despite extravertion or introvertion those people have.
    Socionics practice takes into account 8 functions in much higher degree than MBTI related practice, so to notice the mistake with wrong functions by Socionics is much easier.

    Your type is ENTP, ILE, Ne-Ti. While LII is INTJ (Ti-Ne) and INTP is ILI (Ni-Te).
    It's by Jung and Socionioncs practice. And so is the reality!
    Your supposing of own type as introverted is a mistake. Same as mistakes in own types happen among other people.
    The easiest way to understand mistake in own type is to use intertype relations (IR) theory of Socionics.
    Remember 2-3 people IRL of same type (identify types yourself) and check how IR theory fits to your general irrational impressions from them. Do same for several types and in sum for <10 of people. Understand what types you you like more, evaluate as more psyche comfortable.
    Also it's useful to remember most and least pleasant people during life IRL for the similar check.
    I got by tests mainly introvertion, but my type is ESTJ / LSE. It fits better (and good!) to IR theory with many people I've typed, than _any other_ type. As it's wider data - it's more reliable to trust.

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    he's an IEI actually

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