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    Quote Originally Posted by Poptart View Post
    Is Ukraine’s government actually controlled by neo-nazis? Where did that story come from?
    It came from plenty of videos and interviews made on this topic. Zelensky's government wasn't actively controlled by them, but it was in the least turning a blind eye to activities of these groups that nationalistic Ukranians decided to use to target, kill and maim people of the independent republics of LNR and DNR.

    These white supremacist guys are marching out in the open on the streets and it seems to be well tolerated.

    There's also the pesky fact that Poland wouldn't accept refugees from Middle East, since they are Middle Eastern, but their doors are wide open to Ukrainians since they are white - https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/25/w...es-poland.html

    The West with its colonial past is of course also happy to turn a blind eye to this and continue funding these white supremacists indirectly. Supporting terrorists and extremists is nothing new to the gov of United States, as long as these groups are against whomever they deem an enemy.



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    Quote Originally Posted by MrInternet View Post
    This is motivated by the fact that Ukraine is neighbouring Poland (so it's more reasonable to seek asylum there), and the fact that Ukrainians and Poles are culturally more similar. Presumably it's easier to get them integrated, getting jobs and paying taxes. My country (Sweden) is well-acquainted with the risks of letting in huge amounts of Middle Easterners with little incentive to integrate, and it's understandable that Poland didn't want to take the same route.
    That's the conservative traditionalist typically Republican pov here in US as well. Let's only 'import' people from countries similar to ourselves and screw the rest.

    Your post also doesn't explain why there are effectively Nazis marching openly on Ukrainian streets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silke View Post
    It came from plenty of videos and interviews made on this topic. Zelensky's government wasn't actively controlled by them, but it was in the least turning a blind eye to activities of these groups that nationalistic Ukranians decided to use to target, kill and maim people of the independent republics of LNR and DNR.

    These white supremacist guys are marching out in the open on the streets and it seems to be well tolerated.

    There's also the pesky fact that Poland wouldn't accept refugees from Middle East, since they are Middle Eastern, but their doors are wide open to Ukrainians since they are white - https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/25/w...es-poland.html

    The West with its colonial past is of course also happy to turn a blind eye to this and continue funding these white supremacists indirectly. Supporting terrorists and extremists is nothing new to the gov of United States, as long as these groups are against whomever they deem an enemy.


    The story of one militia does not represent the views of 44 million Ukrainians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silke View Post
    It came from plenty of videos and interviews made on this topic. Zelensky's government wasn't actively controlled by them, but it was in the least turning a blind eye to activities of these groups that nationalistic Ukranians decided to use to target, kill and maim people of the independent republics of LNR and DNR.

    These white supremacist guys are marching out in the open on the streets and it seems to be well tolerated.

    There's also the pesky fact that Poland wouldn't accept refugees from Middle East, since they are Middle Eastern, but their doors are wide open to Ukrainians since they are white - https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/25/w...es-poland.html

    The West with its colonial past is of course also happy to turn a blind eye to this and continue funding these white supremacists indirectly. Supporting terrorists and extremists is nothing new to the gov of United States, as long as these groups are against whomever they deem an enemy.


    AZOV can claim whatever it wants and can use the symbols it wants, but follow the money trail, their leadership and their actions and you'll notice how things usually are not how they're presented.

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