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    A thread where you can write down the dating profile of your perfect mate.

    A profile which, when you read it, would make you want to hit that "Respond" button.

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    I'm sure everyone here can guess why I started this thread. Yes, I'm talking to you, ESIs.

    I've been on Match for a few years with a long, brutally honest description of myself, and what I get, constantly, are responses from Alpha SFs. Lots and lots of them. Zero responses from ESIs. This morning I got a Like and a message from a woman who looks ESE. She says "Hey, Adam, we have lots in common." ....Right.

    In fact, when I do spot an ESI (by VI) and I message her, she almost always closes her profile and leaves Match.
    Goddammit, girl, every guy has a pedo-van in the background of some of his profile pics. Lighten up.

    Anyway, I can only conclude that what I've written about myself isn't what ESIs are looking for, and I strongly suspect that that's true for every person who has a dating profile out there.

    So here's your chance to educate your Dual in what you want to see from them. Help them be the person they should be.

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    Incidentally, one of the ways that I recognize ESIs in their written profiles is by their inclusion of a statement that says "Family is very important to me", and "I like to stay home with a movie or a book, but I clean up pretty well to go out." That, and about half of them like to watch sports.

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    Have you asked your ESI decorator to write a profile for you?


    Speaking as a non-ESI, I don't think an online profile would really tell me I found my ideal man. A lot of what I want has to do with character and habits, which tend to need demonstrating rather than declaring. I do know there are things that would certainly push me away. While it's not fair, presentation does matter to an extent (it might matter even more to an ESI). For example, I quickly rejected a match whose main (only?) profile picture was him dressed up as a giant whoopie cushion.


    I think an ESI might respond to someone who is:

    - Responsible (steady job, good title)
    - Reliable (has lived in the same place for awhile, responds in a timely fashion but maybe not *right* away)
    - Creative (but not too much)
    - Good or at least decent looking (do NOT lie about this to them - have accurate, current, professional photos)
    - Able to be friendly (include (true) references to friends/family)
    - Able to be independent (include examples of solo endeavors)
    - Respectful (don't make fun of anyone ever unless they've already done so and even then be careful)

    Those are some ideas off the top of my head. I'm trying to think what the ESIs I know tend to think toward people they've just met.


    ...I mean, you *could* try doing a separate account and just have yourself dressed as a giant whoopie cushion to see what happens. Maybe I'm totally off base and ESIs might actually go for that. Then you could pleasantly surprise them by being an actual human being who can communicate in full sentences.
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    What kinda thing have you written on your profile? I wish I could I remember the stuff I used to have on my profile..mine’s pretty boring atm. There should be something on yours that suggests you are reflective and thoughtful

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Strange View Post
    I'm sure everyone here can guess why I started this thread. Yes, I'm talking to you, ESIs.

    I've been on Match for a few years with a long, brutally honest description of myself, and what I get, constantly, are responses from Alpha SFs. Lots and lots of them. Zero responses from ESIs. This morning I got a Like and a message from a woman who looks ESE. She says "Hey, Adam, we have lots in common." ....Right.

    In fact, when I do spot an ESI (by VI) and I message her, she almost always closes her profile and leaves Match.
    Goddammit, girl, every guy has a pedo-van in the background of some of his profile pics. Lighten up.

    Anyway, I can only conclude that what I've written about myself isn't what ESIs are looking for, and I strongly suspect that that's true for every person who has a dating profile out there.

    So here's your chance to educate your Dual in what you want to see from them. Help them be the person they should be.
    Ha, some socionics catfishing then? Maybe the socionics-ignorant plebs don’t go straight for their duals or quadra. You apparently get a lot of super-ego attention, so maybe sprinkling some deceitfully LII-ish qualities into your profile could get your dual’s attention? Lol. Maybe even boasting a few ESI qualities you lack could work too since it would give them something to relate to.

    Also, have you tried being a total weirdo and just asking some of the ESIs you find about what kind of profiles they like? Just be like, “Hey girl, why don’t you like me? Huh? You don’t wanna date me? Well, show me the profiles of REAL men that I can to look up to better myself!”. Ehhhhh, maybe not like that. No, definitely not… I mean, you’d be pretty desperate to do that, but… I suppose it could turn out helpful.

    Damn. Good luck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    Ha, some socionics catfishing then? Maybe the socionics-ignorant plebs don’t go straight for their duals or quadra. You apparently get a lot of super-ego attention, so maybe sprinkling some deceitfully LII-ish qualities into your profile could get your dual’s attention? Lol. Maybe even boasting a few ESI qualities you lack could work too since it would give them something to relate to.

    Also, have you tried being a total weirdo and just asking some of the ESIs you find about what kind of profiles they like? Just be like, “Hey girl, why don’t you like me? Huh? You don’t wanna date me? Well, show me the profiles of REAL men that I can to look up to better myself!”. Ehhhhh, maybe not like that. No, definitely not… I mean, you’d be pretty desperate to do that, but… I suppose it could turn out helpful.

    Damn. Good luck.
    @Djinn, I AM pretty desperate and I HAVE asked ESIs what they like. Most of them say they like ILIs.

    I don’t see the process of finding out what they are looking for as “catfishing”. If they are looking for an ILI, well, I can’t help them. But if they are looking for a set of traits that I have but I’m not mentioning in my profile, then perhaps I can push those traits forward, rather than the facts that I take dancing lessons and owned a Poodle.

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    I know you aren’t trying to catfish, rather, I was recommending it. Controversial, I know. But typical catfishing just benefits one person whereas duality is mutual. You would just need to be careful.
    Just enough to get a bite so you can reel them in and sway them with the duality they didn’t know they needed.
    Maybe that’s too Machiavellian though.

    And lol, I would assume ILIs are interested in neither dancing nor poodles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    I know you aren’t trying to catfish, rather, I was recommending it. Controversial, I know. But typical catfishing just benefits one person whereas duality is mutual. You would just need to be careful.
    Just enough to get a bite so you can reel them in and sway them with the duality they didn’t know they needed.
    Maybe that’s too Machiavellian though.

    And lol, I would assume ILIs are interested in neither dancing nor poodles.
    To be perfectly honest, @Djinn, my intentions are EXACTLY to get them to go out on one or two dates with me. The first to get them to Dualize, and the second to make it clear to them that those feelings they had (Duality) on the first date repeat on repeated exposure, and they weren't due to the weather conditions.

    However, getting my Duals to the table in the first place is incredibly difficult. Neither they nor I would naturally interact if I didn't know about Socionics.
    I do interact with several male Duals, but that is through work relationships.

    I'm talking to the ESI-Se interior decorator because I bought her artwork. I basically made it worth her time to keep seeing me, albeit at year-long intervals at first. It took a long time for us to spend enough time together for her to see any special value in my personality. Unfortunately, by then, she had decided that she liked women, and not surprisingly, she chose as GFs an SLE, then an LSI, and now an ESI. There may have been others, but certainly no LIEs.
    My trajectory in dating was similar, so we, as Dual pairs, are not naturally attracted to each other.*

    Hence, my plan to attract one and spend time with her, and then let Socionics take its course.

    *I have a chart of people whom I know and have typed, and seven ESIs are with ILIs, six ESIs are with ESIs, and three ESIs are with LIEs. That's out of 27 ESIs that I know. Not great odds for an ESI to get with an LIE, I'd say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Strange View Post
    when I do spot an ESI (by VI) and I message her, she almost always closes her profile and leaves Match.
    As you try choosing "best" ones, so those are more picky. And you should prefer fertile age (< 40 yo). Age difference may appear a factor. > 10 years can be critical.

    Lets suppose types are mostly as you think.
    Those who writes you as 1st. ESIs are lesser possibly initiate contact as 1st, than alpha SF.
    SEI are easier for surface relations and hence have lesser initial requirements, write to more of people. ESE are extraverts what arises their contacts. Also Si types are more tolerate to uncommon, an example of what is age difference in pairs.

    What to write in a profile to attract ESI some more.
    Mb achievements in job and life - real as projects done. They value honesty, lesser of dark places about people.

    Dating sites (in now format) are more appropriate for finding short entertainments. It's lesser common appoach for ESI types.
    They may sit there and await for a prince. And to reject the most of men who may post them 1st, as the most who posts them have easier approach than they want, or those men are suspected to be more complex cases than average (anything unusual or wrong scares them more than most other types).

    For seeking ESIs it's more important to give more info about you from the start. It's so for IRL contacts where they may see you more of a time. Alike you'd were neibours, in same IRL fan club, worked near, visited same places regularly, etc. May be you may help them IRL and so they may like your professionalism and be grateful, besides understanding you some better initially. Then ESI may know you step by step and mb to accept it. In Internet it should be too easy to scary them, especially if you have some evident traits below common (age or other).
    If they don't like something (base Fi are very emotionally prejusticed + simplified perception of S types) in 1st communications - they can be scared more than other types too. "Wrong" opinion about something, "wrong" action and you may not get 2nd chance to show yourself from more sides.

    My grandfather was liked by younger ESI (as I may assume her type) when she saw him at work for significant time. Also he studed her group. He had good achievements at job, also teachers are perceived as higher skilled ones.
    Instead of common dating on dating sites, is more useful to offer ESI a help in something IRL. Mb you may teach students too. Or do other service for people, where interesting ESI (without pairs) may happen.

    > Anyway, I can only conclude that what I've written about myself isn't what ESIs are looking for, and I strongly suspect that that's true for every person who has a dating profile out there.

    An example of ESI which talks about her experience on dating sites She's single (has a kid boy), though I'd recommended to be lesser picky about her intellectual interests and skills. She'd could be good pair if to value her soul and body. If you'd offered her make a tourist visit USA with you taking spares, she'd could to think. If you want ESI and assured in your appropriate type, this has a chance for good final. Some requirements mb reduced to get more in other, for a time which you have in life. She's ~38 yo.
    If you would not created this thread, I'd not pointed on her. May be it's a fate.

    > So here's your chance to educate your Dual in what you want to see from them.

    It's possibly to ask her about this too. Not sure, but some basic English she may know.


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    Maybe try browsing the site with a female profile to see what people who vibe like you write? Then again you won't be able to tell who is getting lucky. How about asking males what worked for them? There must already exist such answered questions on reddit/quora etc


    In my early 20s I texted a kinda larger than life chef guy on okc who suggested we meet that same day. I think I deleted my profile once I read that

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Strange View Post
    However, getting my Duals to the table in the first place is incredibly difficult. Neither they nor I would naturally interact if I didn't know about Socionics.
    Yeah, there's often not much overlap in interests; I have yet to meet an ESI interested in politics and programming, and I'm a bit interested into exercising, yet I lack the Gung ho! attitude that most ESIs I know have regarding exercising and sports.

    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Strange View Post
    Unfortunately, by then, she had decided that she liked women, and not surprisingly, she chose as GFs an SLE, then an LSI, and now an ESI.
    Since apparently one decides on their sexuality, do you know where the next store is where I can buy some more? My current one is totally out of fashion namely and I want to show everyone a new one at the new year's celebration.

    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Strange View Post
    I have a chart of people whom I know and have typed, and seven ESIs are with ILIs, six ESIs are with ESIs, and three ESIs are with LIEs. That's out of 27 ESIs that I know. Not great odds for an ESI to get with an LIE, I'd say.
    As a statistician I'd have to point out that LIEs are quite rare, while ESIs are more frequent, so it's not that much of a surprise that ESIs don't regularly get together with a nice LIE. I'm far more interested, however, in the odds of LIEs matching up with an ESI versus any other type?



    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    And lol, I would assume ILIs are interested in neither dancing nor poodles.
    Not relevant, but I know at least one ILI with a poodle, though.



    My ideal dating profile:
    Friendly and confident profile picture in a sports setting.

    Introduces his name, expresses that he's looking for a serious relationship. Then he tells about his study or occupation, after which he discusses sports and music. He also mentions how he loves animals and perhaps describes some of the places that he has visited or still wants to visit.

    -Is looking for a monogamous, long-term relationship.
    -Is around the same age as me.
    -Studies or has studied ( preferably in something sports related ).
    -Is financially independent.
    -Loves animals.
    -Enjoys sports or exercising.
    -Preferably enjoys listening to Bastille, Coldplay, IDKHOW, Weathers, Saint Motel, or Imagine Dragons, but tries out new styles from time to time.
    -In the ideal world would be interested into politics, but at least is open-minded to learn about it. Or has some societal involvement, for instance by working for a charity.
    -Cares about Climate Change.
    -Cares about poor people, or at least expresses concern when I mention them.

    -Has an open mind.
    -Likes going on city trips.
    -Enjoys watching Science fiction, or at least is fine watching it, such as the DUNE, Interstellar, or INCEPTION and TENET.
    -Preferred, but not a must, speaks at least one language besides English or Dutch.
    -Wants to try out new things in life.
    -Ideally has a healthy family relationship.
    -Is confident, or puts forward a confident front, but has deep feelings underneath.
    -Messages me back within a couple days with more than one-word replies.
    -Takes the initiative at times to message me first.
    -If possible has read more than one book for fun.
    -Likes trying out new food.
    -Dresses well.


    Probably I should focus less on my study and my care about Climate Change, and more on sports, because my own profile seems to attract mostly intuitiors, both thinkers and feelers. I do receive messages from Se-users on occassion, but only the extraverted ones who are looking for a quick hook-up... I always thought it was because I'm in my twenties, but I spoke to some gay acquintances who are older than me, yet they report the same problem. The gay hook-up culture is rather prevalent and toxic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalinoche buenanoche View Post
    Maybe try browsing the site with a female profile to see what people who vibe like you write? Then again you won't be able to tell who is getting lucky. How about asking males what worked for them? There must already exist such answered questions on reddit/quora etc
    The author of Data: A Love Story did that alternate profile creation along with a lot of other methods to improve her profile. Expanding geographic range included. I read it too long ago and before I knew socionics to have a sense of whether she found her dual, but regardless it's a really fun read. Maybe something to pick up while your knee injury has you sitting more? Could read it standing up?

    Re. improving profile, there are even professional dating coaches too... Damona Hoffman who has a podcast 'Dates & Mates' is the first that comes to mind.

    As an ESI, hm I have more experience with Tinder where shorter profiles are the norm than Match, but I would say I'm impressed by short statements that say a lot- but the Te>Ne valuing should also be clear. In my case I don't like dating sites or apps (especially how I end up changing what i'm looking for when i'm on them) so I don't use them. Not like I have other great methods of trying to meet my duals IRL, that's not currently a focus for me, though it will become one a yearish or so from now, probably.

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    Hmmm, a woman I dated last year from Match just sent me this image: https://imgur.com/a/IljHlTO

    I think she's more romantic than I am. All relationships involve some self-deception, but I don't drink and I don't wear a hat.

    Maybe I should start. Lol.

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    After seeing this I can now only read Adam's messages with a coarse detective noir voice-over in my mind.

    'I found her. The expression of disdain turned her lovely face into something wicked, something to be afraid of. With glaring eyes her suave lips said to me: “I’ve been rich and I’ve been poor. Believe me, rich is better.”, and then she pulled the trigger.'


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    Dunno Adam, lots of people have told you before you come off more like a ILE than a LIE. Your 'Fi polr' is probably more the reason you are having trouble with relationships than a Si polr. Being a Gamma-like Alpha goes against the system I created as I do think it's too farfetched but whatever , maybe I'm wrong and there really is such a thing as Alpha-like Gammas.

    The reason you're not attracting ESIs is they often like their men kind of dark and negative and trailer trash-y. Like ILIs often are. /hides. They are basically looking for bolder ILI types- cuz ILI and LIE are mirrors. You OTOH try to be more positive and 'good.' Just like a child like ALPHA- the opposite of Gamma. You also make playful and light-hearted jokes. Women don't really want that romantically tbh- they want somebody more stern and serious. Or they want to turn some asshole douche bully str8 breeder dickwad into a nicer civilized man- they don't really want to bother with turning a nice civlized guy that doesn't vote for Trump into some ravage beast.

    You're also approachable with people but women don't really want men that are approachable - they want somebody that can intimidate others and is mean- because it makes them feel safe from predators. They want to know you can easily snap somebody's neck if they are being harrassed in a way they don't like. Not really only IEI women- but that is probably the most campy example of that. But almost every woman wants this- whereas you always end up doing the exact opposite of what they crave instinctually. ((not if you actually get them in bed with you but I mean, the way you try to seduce is backwards lol)) Yet you're also really smart and know when a woman is just after you for your bank account and won't let her do this or lower yourself to be Beta cucked either. So I think that is why you are alone really. There's also the reality that you are very guarded emotionally usually- whereas women are drawn to sensitivity, they are just into more broody bad boys that are secretly sensitive. You otoh quote Wayne Dyer instead of emotionally connect with women in the way that they like.

    Sorry for the reverse supervision guy but this is more easier for me to read through than an adult person with a high IQ doing the Highlights puzzles. Your alpha nice guy ness- yeah it's attractive to ESE women because it's like you being ILE-like is an inversion of LII. On paper the ESEs think they are getting a LII when they are not. With their 4D demo Se ESE women can in a strange way be the 'least str8-girl like women' out of the other women... and so they actually are into the nice guy Beta male thing you do even though it would generally repulse most women. But then they too get repulsed lol because they still want a guy to make the first move, but you don't make the first move you just are all 'oh that's an ESE - it's clearly not for me!' and dismiss her. I actually think that that is your best shot really- I think you might need to give up on this LIE-ESI fairytale in your head because in a practical way I just don't see it working.

    I thought about doing your exercise before. But I can't. Later maybe, but not now. Maybe I will do it the way you intend but I don't see the point because I'm naturally ambivalent and I don't know what I want, what I say I want 'on paper' often ends up just being not it at all- so it's like, it's empty to me. It means nothing. It's a pointless exercise you know? Because I just can't see it as something that would really get me the type of relationship that I want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Armitage View Post
    After seeing this I can now only read Adam's messages with a coarse detective noir voice-over in my mind.

    'I found her. The expression of disdain turned her lovely face into something wicked, something to be afraid of. With glaring eyes her suave lips said to me: “I’ve been rich and I’ve been poor. Believe me, rich is better.”, and then she pulled the trigger.'

    @Armitage, a couple of years ago, one of the women on the forum said that, when she read my posts, she always heard the voice of Sterling Archer.

    Not sure how she knew we had similar mothers.

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    I think duality is bullshit, yet again, I think most things pertaining to romance and relations are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shazaam View Post
    Dunno Adam, lots of people have told you before you come off more like a ILE than a LIE.
    So far, I don't share this impression; his goal-orientedness, logic that points towards one clear solution, instead of many, and his focus on the future convince me that he is accurately a LIE. Though Adam probably knows himself best.

    Quote Originally Posted by Shazaam View Post
    The reason you're not attracting ESIs is they often like their men kind of dark and negative and trailer trash-y. Like ILIs often are. /hides. They are basically looking for bolder ILI types- cuz ILI and LIE are mirrors.
    LIEs are positivists to ESI's negativism, while ILIs are negativists to SEE's positivism. Also, in order for LIEs to be successful entrepreneurs, they have to be optimistic, because otherwise they give up at the first failure, whereas being an entrepreneur is all about persistence. My ILI friends are oftentimes paralysed by their negativistic Ni, because they see so many potential problems that they do not even dare to start an undertaking. This is why they need SEEs, because the ILIs will be the trusty advisor to the SEE's impulsive actions.

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    Women don't really want that romantically tbh- they want somebody more stern and serious. Or they want to turn some asshole douche bully str8 breeder dickwad into a nicer civilized man- they don't really want to bother with turning a nice civlized guy that doesn't vote for Trump into some ravage beast.

    You're also approachable with people but women don't really want men that are approachable - they want somebody that can intimidate others and is mean- because it makes them feel safe from predators. They want to know you can easily snap somebody's neck if they are being harrassed in a way they don't like. Not really only IEI women- but that is probably the most campy example of that. But almost every woman wants this-
    All in all, to me this sounds like you're describing a SLE actually, instead of a LIE.

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    There's also the reality that you are very guarded emotionally usually
    This I cannot deny. I too used to be very guarded emotionally and only learned to open up thanks to my friends, as they provided me the safety to be vulnerable. I think all LIEs generally encounter difficulty with opening up emotionally, being vulnerable, and depending on others, in part because of our 1D Fi, which is even more of an issue for LIE-Te's. Instead of opening up I find it generally easier to act as if everything is going well, than to let people close and admit my failures to them. Adam at times answering with logical exposés or with jokes to avoid emotional subjects I thus find only befitting for a LIE, especially when being pushed for an answer. It is what I myself have done for years.
    Though that this might be typifying for LIEs does not make it beneficial. In my experience it's definitely good to work on these issues, possibly with the help of a therapist. Intimate relationships require mutual vulnerability and opening up to each other, therefore any improvement in this area increase your odds of having a happy relationship.

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    but you don't make the first move you just are all 'oh that's an ESE - it's clearly not for me!' and dismiss her. I actually think that that is your best shot really- I think you might need to give up on this LIE-ESI fairytale in your head because in a practical way I just don't see it working.
    I agree, it might be good to simply go on more dates, also with different types, just to see what works for you and what does not. Like End said, healthy attachment is more important than type. Probably these experiences will also be more informative to you, than waiting for other people's answers here on the forum to your dating questions. You're your own unique individual, so what works for another might not work for you. Also, dating is a numbers game, so going on more dates increases your chances of finding the person right for you. So I'd recommend you to go out there, get more experience, and improve your dating skills, so you will find the woman with whom you fit, who you love, and who loves you.
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    Btw I barely look at what a person says about themselves on their profile. (Although don’t like it if they put nothing). I think you can tell a lot from someone’s face/style alone. I also look at where they work. Then I look them up on LinkedIn/Facebook :s

    Saying that I had 4 dates with a dual who looked cool on his profile but definitely did not work out well. Looking at his profile again now..he’s just not quite my ‘type’ in the traditional sense. Or his face isn’t quite right or something.

    At first I thought he was nice looking but by date 4 when I’d got to know him I was like nah I don’t think he’s attractive. Now I think I’d be able to tell more quickly if someone had potential, just from practice.

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    Based on @Armitage's list; mine is smaller.

    - Is looking for a monogamous, long-term relationship.
    - Is younger than me.
    - Doesn't have kids.
    - Is not a ho (doesn't have STD).
    - Is intelligent and formally educated (bachelor's or up).
    - Likes pets and animals.
    - Likes hiking, talking long walks, and traveling.
    - Sees herself as an ambivert or an introverted extravert.
    - Takes initiative but doesn't impose on others.
    - Likes to cook and/or is a big foodie.
    - Has an independent and adventurous spirit.
    - Dresses mostly conservatively, but somewhat quirky.
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    Say something like I'm looking for a woman that can handle my wild lifestyle lol idk. Isn't Romance styles how types attract each other?

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    I'm pretty sure I would go for something that says "I blow things up with thermite for a living.".

    I don't have any nefarious plans against society.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Minde View Post
    ...I mean, you *could* try doing a separate account and just have yourself dressed as a giant whoopie cushion to see what happens. Maybe I'm totally off base and ESIs might actually go for that. Then you could pleasantly surprise them by being an actual human being who can communicate in full sentences.
    I guess dressing up as a giant whoopie cushion is probably a stereotypically ILE thing and he's been getting Alpha SF's with his current dating profile. Maybe there's actually a good chance that this could work.

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    I’ve never used dating apps (too shy), so I’m not quite sure what the profile descriptions tend to say, but I can imagine this would appeal to me:

    ”Need a guy to talk to for hours about anything and everything. Maybe someone who can cook or is willing to teach me how to cook. We could cook together. We could also hike. But just an interesting and receptive conversation partner.”

    I’d jump on that Though maybe that’s actually what I would write, aside from wanting someone who can cook—though I do appreciate someone who will cook for me sometimes, so I don’t always have to be the one cooking.

    I wouldn’t be too concerned with finding my dual. I’m not dating around atm as I’m in a relationship, but if I were dating, I would just want a guy who I can connect with emotionally, logically, and who isn’t too wild. And I’d like him to be protective, haha.

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    I thought about this a little more. I'm not sure how helpful this would be, since I'm not an ESI, but I think I like guys who are intelligent or interesting (maybe intense in the right way). My post about the thermite shows that I not only like guys who are into a kind of intense material (explosions), but also like them to do more than just engage in it (in the case I mentioned, the guy figured out how to monetize it, and he has skills that might analyze the explosions with mathematics). It also might mean that I'm into people who have similar interests to me (I like explosions as well, as well as mathematics or science to some degree).

    This probably means that people like partners that are similar to them. They might also like partners that have a characteristic that they don't have (maybe one that makes them interesting).

    I guess my perspective on your dating profile situation is that honesty was probably the best choice. If you portray yourself as something different, and then appear to be your normal self when you get to know them better, they might be disappointed or bothered somehow that the real you is different from the person you portrayed. I also think that you shouldn't try to conform to an ideal past what probably seems reasonable. I think the whole point of finding a perfect partner would be to choose someone who likes you for who you are. I don't think you should change yourself for a partner when there might be others out there that you'd be compatible with as your natural self, especially if that partner is only interesting because they fit a certain type in a personality system. Even from the perspective of personality systems, this probably doesn't make sense since there seems to be characteristics that matter outside of a single personality system (such as Enneagram/Instinctual Stack or Attitudinal Psyche).

    I think that it's possible that you haven't been able to get ESI's with your dating profile because of the "psychological barriers" problem mentioned in some of the dual ITR descriptions. Even if you were willing to cross that "psychological barrier", the ESI's on dating profiles might not be able to. Maybe that's what's scaring them away.

    Edit: After thinking about this a little more, I thought that whether you're writing the right description might depend on how brutally honest you are. Some level of brutal honesty might scare someone away. I need to think about that more, mainly to determine why this is and determine what level of brutal honesty is okay.

    I think that honesty is generally a good policy. You shouldn't portray yourself to be something you're not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shazaam View Post
    Dunno Adam, lots of people have told you before you come off more like a ILE than a LIE. Your 'Fi polr' is probably more the reason you are having trouble with relationships than a Si polr. Being a Gamma-like Alpha goes against the system I created as I do think it's too farfetched but whatever , maybe I'm wrong and there really is such a thing as Alpha-like Gammas.

    The reason you're not attracting ESIs is they often like their men kind of dark and negative and trailer trash-y. Like ILIs often are. /hides. They are basically looking for bolder ILI types- cuz ILI and LIE are mirrors. You OTOH try to be more positive and 'good.' Just like a child like ALPHA- the opposite of Gamma. You also make playful and light-hearted jokes. Women don't really want that romantically tbh- they want somebody more stern and serious. Or they want to turn some asshole douche bully str8 breeder dickwad into a nicer civilized man- they don't really want to bother with turning a nice civlized guy that doesn't vote for Trump into some ravage beast.

    You're also approachable with people but women don't really want men that are approachable - they want somebody that can intimidate others and is mean- because it makes them feel safe from predators. They want to know you can easily snap somebody's neck if they are being harrassed in a way they don't like. Not really only IEI women- but that is probably the most campy example of that. But almost every woman wants this- whereas you always end up doing the exact opposite of what they crave instinctually. ((not if you actually get them in bed with you but I mean, the way you try to seduce is backwards lol)) Yet you're also really smart and know when a woman is just after you for your bank account and won't let her do this or lower yourself to be Beta cucked either. So I think that is why you are alone really. There's also the reality that you are very guarded emotionally usually- whereas women are drawn to sensitivity, they are just into more broody bad boys that are secretly sensitive. You otoh quote Wayne Dyer instead of emotionally connect with women in the way that they like.

    Sorry for the reverse supervision guy but this is more easier for me to read through than an adult person with a high IQ doing the Highlights puzzles. Your alpha nice guy ness- yeah it's attractive to ESE women because it's like you being ILE-like is an inversion of LII. On paper the ESEs think they are getting a LII when they are not. With their 4D demo Se ESE women can in a strange way be the 'least str8-girl like women' out of the other women... and so they actually are into the nice guy Beta male thing you do even though it would generally repulse most women. But then they too get repulsed lol because they still want a guy to make the first move, but you don't make the first move you just are all 'oh that's an ESE - it's clearly not for me!' and dismiss her. I actually think that that is your best shot really- I think you might need to give up on this LIE-ESI fairytale in your head because in a practical way I just don't see it working.

    I thought about doing your exercise before. But I can't. Later maybe, but not now. Maybe I will do it the way you intend but I don't see the point because I'm naturally ambivalent and I don't know what I want, what I say I want 'on paper' often ends up just being not it at all- so it's like, it's empty to me. It means nothing. It's a pointless exercise you know? Because I just can't see it as something that would really get me the type of relationship that I want.
    I guess my personal experience says that I like both funny and serious guys. The broody or physical types are interesting, but so are the clever, funny ones. Being approachable doesn't really seem to hurt either, as long as the guy doesn't seem to be weak somehow. I think this is my historical perspective on interesting men.

    As I've said in other threads, I like a guy who gives me a sense that they could be dangerous, but wouldn't be likely to be dangerous to me. I guess I like the kind of guy who snaps necks, but the kind of guy who can orchestrate a complex revenge scheme that involves the systematic downfall of a person, starting with their job, then their bank account, and then slowly dripping into their personal life, is also a fairly interesting type. It also helps if they have boundaries that they don't cross. I think this interpretation of danger might depend on type, or even on the person. I guess that this information about danger would be valuable because women might instinctually like protective men, and protective men are dangerous.

    I think that Adam's humor is more of a sharp LIE-type of humor rather than a more playful or goofy ILE-type of humor. I'm not sure about this because I don't have alot of experience with either type. I've read that LIE's have skillful storytelling abilities that seem fairly humorous, and humor that can be sexually crass. Adam seems to have both of these characteristics.

    I also have the following perspectives on compatibility when it comes to type:
    -Accommodating (approachable, naturally good to others) people are probably compatible with other accommodating people.
    -Kindness (probably related to Fi) appeals to people who like it or value it.
    -Opposites attract in some circumstances, probably because they have skills that the other seems bad at. However, opposites can also have differences in interests or philosophies/lifestyle that make them incompatible. This is why Benefactors are probably interesting (they have similar interests/philosophies and they have the skills that you don't have).

    Edit: I'd like to partly correct this post. There are guys that I've liked in my life who were funny, smart, and good hearted. The appealing thing to me isn't the desire to get revenge as much as the capability to do it. Although, I guess you could say that I understand revenge.

    I'm pretty sure there's someone, who's not an Alpha SF, who would like you the way you are. You seem like a good person, and I'm pretty sure there are plenty of women who would like to have a good person as their partner. There are people who put alot of value in money and image, and choose partners based on that, but there's others in the world who don't. So, if you want a good lover, maybe pursue one of those.

    This edit was added on 1/16/23, 11:18 pm GMT. Before this edit was added, the post was last edited on 12/10/22, at 1:48 am GMT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Strange View Post
    A thread where you can write down the dating profile of your perfect mate.

    A profile which, when you read it, would make you want to hit that "Respond" button.
    i like Fe on paper, but prefer Te consistency in the end.
    i would look for something short but engaging, whatever that means at whatever time i'm feeling it.
    if i were Gamma i would want something brooding and romantic, like some kind of quote about society or something
    whenever i think about your Quadra i think of dark streets and roses if that means anything

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    I don’t put much stock in bios. I usually like girls who leave some things to the imagination instead of plainly stating who they are, what they do and what they’re looking for. I don’t like women who seem too earnest ironically
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clarke View Post
    I guess my personal experience says that I like both funny and serious guys. The broody or physical types are interesting, but so are the clever, funny ones. Being approachable doesn't really seem to hurt either, as long as the guy doesn't seem to be weak somehow. I think this is my historical perspective on interesting men.

    As I've said in other threads, I like a guy who gives me a sense that they could be dangerous, but wouldn't be likely to be dangerous to me. I guess I like the kind of guy who snaps necks, but the kind of guy who can orchestrate a complex revenge scheme that involves the systematic downfall of a person, starting with their job, then their bank account, and then slowly dripping into their personal life, is also a fairly interesting type. It also helps if they have boundaries that they don't cross. I think this interpretation of danger might depend on type, or even on the person. I guess that this information about danger would be valuable because women might instinctually like protective men, and protective men are dangerous.
    I feel like I could have written this myself, though not as eloquently, imaginatively, and analytically as you have. Wow

    There truly is something intriguing and thrilling about being with a guy who’s potentially dangerous and of a choleric temperament. Of course, as you said, it’s better if this man has boundaries he would not cross. I think I could still enjoy being with a man who’s weaker in terms of his own will and lacks some mental fortitude, but it’s always more assuring to be with a man who’s got strong resolve and convictions, who will defend what’s his steadfastly. I don’t feel good admitting to loving men of this type, considering that I’m not the strongest in terms of my own will (therefore it doesn’t feel fair of me to expect such traits from a partner), but perhaps it’s natural for someone to desire a person who complements them.

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    When I got pissy, irritable and crazy in the head, I browsed Tinder a few months/weeks(?) ago to stop the boredom and the only profile I liked after swiping for an hour or so is this SEE Russian army boy who didn’t put anything on his profile aside from age, location and 3 pics of him. I liked the pic when he was on top of a car and the other one where he was wearing shades looking like he was just having fun without thinking at night time. The other pic (main) was just him in front of a train. But I got banned from Tinder real quick and I probably don’t have a chance with SEEs lol omg bye army boy ((

    For someone who likes people who show it instead of talking I sure do talk a lot and now I feel autistic about it. I put a lot of random things on my profile too and I don’t even know what I was trying to achieve and if they’re still true now. Am I trying to make people laugh or do I want people to know how deranged I am or what? I don’t really know but well like I’ve said I’m banned from Tinder now and it’s not like I care if it banned me fuck it tbh. I hate people and things that hate me so I hate Tinderrr. I don’t think my gangsta cat pic was terrible and deleting and creating a new account is too much of a suspicious behavior?? What if I was just surveying, tf. Maybe I am indecisive? Maybe I don’t need a pic of mine and instead a random few pics actually show who I am?? Hate Tinder

    It also gave me deep sadness because almost everyone just looks like a person who would try to straighten me up after getting to know me and the worst thing is they will all be passive-aggressive about it because they all want to be polite. I hate all the boys around me, no one is fucking unique and crazy-looking. And before anyone says maYbe you like your fellow intuitive IEI ppl! No?? Some people around me are also intuitives but they all suck and are all boring after a while. I cannot smile and joke and talk about mundane things after a while (which they always do) come on tell me something different or something you’re interested in!!! But maybe all the cool ppl are not here around me because I’m uncool. Like attracts like and this is just sad lol
    Lmao you got banned from tinder. I’m sorry but that’s hilarious

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    Tinder banned me too for adding my email address in a photo because swiping is too much work. Then I got paranoid about my profile still being visible (couldn't check) and deleted the app.

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    Quote Originally Posted by one
    When I got pissy, irritable and crazy in the head, I browsed Tinder a few months/weeks(?) ago to stop the boredom and the only profile I liked after swiping for an hour or so is this SEE Russian army boy who didn’t put anything on his profile aside from age, location and 3 pics of him. I liked the pic when he was on top of a car and the other one where he was wearing shades looking like he was just having fun without thinking at night time. The other pic (main) was just him in front of a train. But I got banned from Tinder real quick and I probably don’t have a chance with SEEs lol omg bye army boy ((

    For someone who likes people who show it instead of talking I sure do talk a lot and now I feel autistic about it. I put a lot of random things on my profile too and I don’t even know what I was trying to achieve and if they’re still true now. Am I trying to make people laugh or do I want people to know how deranged I am or what? I don’t really know but well like I’ve said I’m banned from Tinder now and it’s not like I care if it banned me fuck it tbh. I hate people and things that hate me so I hate Tinderrr. I don’t think my gangsta cat pic was terrible and deleting and creating a new account is too much of a suspicious behavior?? What if I was just surveying, tf. Maybe I am indecisive? Maybe I don’t need a pic of mine and instead a random few pics actually show who I am?? Hate Tinder

    It also gave me deep sadness because almost everyone just looks like a person who would try to straighten me up after getting to know me and the worst thing is they will all be passive-aggressive about it because they all want to be polite. I hate all the boys around me, no one is fucking unique and crazy-looking. And before anyone says maYbe you like your fellow intuitive IEI ppl! No?? Some people around me are also intuitives but they all suck and are all boring after a while. I cannot smile and joke and talk about mundane things after a while (which they always do) come on tell me something different or something you’re interested in!!! But maybe all the cool ppl are not here around me because I’m uncool. Like attracts like and this is just sad lol
    If uncool people were on Tinder, and Tinder banned you, like is already attracting like! It's fate for you to meet someone great and cool IRL, not the soibois and Russian soldiers of Tinder.

    But yeah I feel similarly about dating apps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by one View Post
    When I got pissy, irritable and crazy in the head, I browsed Tinder a few months/weeks(?) ago to stop the boredom and the only profile I liked after swiping for an hour or so is this SEE Russian army boy who didn’t put anything on his profile aside from age, location and 3 pics of him. I liked the pic when he was on top of a car and the other one where he was wearing shades looking like he was just having fun without thinking at night time. The other pic (main) was just him in front of a train. But I got banned from Tinder real quick and I probably don’t have a chance with SEEs lol omg bye army boy ((

    For someone who likes people who show it instead of talking I sure do talk a lot and now I feel autistic about it. I put a lot of random things on my profile too and I don’t even know what I was trying to achieve and if they’re still true now. Am I trying to make people laugh or do I want people to know how deranged I am or what? I don’t really know but well like I’ve said I’m banned from Tinder now and it’s not like I care if it banned me fuck it tbh. I hate people and things that hate me so I hate Tinderrr. I don’t think my gangsta cat pic was terrible and deleting and creating a new account is too much of a suspicious behavior?? What if I was just surveying, tf. Maybe I am indecisive? Maybe I don’t need a pic of mine and instead a random few pics actually show who I am?? Hate Tinder

    It also gave me deep sadness because almost everyone just looks like a person who would try to straighten me up after getting to know me and the worst thing is they will all be passive-aggressive about it because they all want to be polite. I hate all the boys around me, no one is fucking unique and crazy-looking. And before anyone says maYbe you like your fellow intuitive IEI ppl! No?? Some people around me are also intuitives but they all suck and are all boring after a while. I cannot smile and joke and talk about mundane things after a while (which they always do) come on tell me something different or something you’re interested in!!! But maybe all the cool ppl are not here around me because I’m uncool. Like attracts like and this is just sad lol
    It would be funny if you made this your bio for another dating app (not tinder because you’re banned there).

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    Quote Originally Posted by one View Post
    Soibois and Russian soldiers LOOOOOL


    Well that is giving me hope, I hope so. I don’t know if people are censoring themselves out, but even making people talk about any idea or anything deeper personally or just anything ridiculously funny is very difficult to sustain or even start in the first place
    Unfortunately people as cool as us are rare. Most people you meet are pretty lame. I try to just believe that when I meet someone cool I'll be able to convince her to marry me. Am I really interested in most girls out there? Not really, I think. I don't think it's good to be totally invested in your partner, but I think I'd be pretty unhappy if I felt I were with someone I couldn't be proud of. I don't think I could feel that way about most girls.

    What about you? Do you feel you'd be happier dating, even if you weren't with someone you totally liked?

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    Dating apps are terrible places for meeting dates. It's a strange approach to finding a relationship.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Lunacy View Post
    Dating apps are terrible places for meeting dates. It's a strange approach to finding a relationship.
    The approach is fine, people are strange. Their subjective views and preconceptions are out of whack. It should be the most straightforward and efficient way of spurring relationships, but we're not there yet.

    The problem I believe is two-fold:
    (1) Dating apps/sites are owned by business folk who have an incentive to keep people engaged for as long as possible, which means helping you find that relationship does not benefit them in the long-run. Hence, the way they design and operate these tools is optimized to serve their interest over their customers'.
    (2) The majority of end users fall into either of two categories: (a) naive optimists who keep giving away their time and money to exploitative opportunists, without the mental capacity and/or willingness to recognize what's going on and do something about it (e.g. come up with better alternatives), and (b) psychopathic narcissists who misuse these platforms for attention and/or casually hunting prey on the side.

    The points above leave little room for honest, mutually beneficial interactions and social transactions to take place.
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